What a career...Thanks, Obama!

BPS · 03-23-2016, 12:55 PM

In test league...

October 2016, a 30-year-old Cuban free agent signs a $100,000,000, 5-year contract with the Dodgers. (Perhaps Obama's visit to Cuba opened the way for this signing!)

Jose Marines proceeds to smash the ball for six seasons, leading the majors in HRs in five of those six seasons. He averages almost 48 HRs a season. A true monster of a player.

Then his skills fall of a cliff: the year after hitting 51 HRs for the Dodgers, he swings his bat for a AAA team, managing to lift only 12 balls over the outfield fence. Then after his one minor league season, he exits professional baseball.

GoBucsGo · 03-23-2016, 12:56 PM

He won an MVP and a World Series? Pretty cool, this guy would be a HERO in Cuba after that game the other day if this was real life.

TwinsGuy11 · 03-23-2016, 01:24 PM

I think this is a good example of one area OOTP could be improved. I know in 16, there were a ton of former stars playing in AAA. It's just not very realistic that these players would continue playing.

GoBucsGo · 03-23-2016, 01:30 PM

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Originally Posted by TwinsGuy11

I think this is a good example of one area OOTP could be improved. I know in 16, there were a ton of former stars playing in AAA. It's just not very realistic that these players would continue playing.

Manny Ramirez says, what's up? lol

Assos · 03-23-2016, 01:40 PM

It was very common in pre WWII for stars to play in the minors and independent leagues. There were no multi-million dollar contracts and they were paid as pros not a lot of money compared to today, plus most had to work in the off season. Baseball was the only thing they knew and got paid for it, so if you were Tris Speaker and you wanted to play, someone would pay you because you were still somewhat good and you would be a draw.

TwinsGuy11 · 03-23-2016, 01:41 PM

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Originally Posted by GoBucsGo

Manny Ramirez says, what's up? lol

Well okay yeah. But I'm talking Albert Pujols, Matt Kemp (been a real long time for him), McCutchen, etc.

GoBucsGo · 03-23-2016, 01:43 PM

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Well okay yeah. But I'm talking Albert Pujols, Matt Kemp (been a real long time for him), McCutchen, etc.

While I don't think most of those guys would, as far as the guy in the OP's game, he entered the MLB when he was 30. He was already in his prime.

I can see someone like that loving the game and giving it one more shot in the minors, getting a fairly large contract due to being a big draw for fans at the ballpark.

TwinsGuy11 · 03-23-2016, 01:47 PM

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Originally Posted by GoBucsGo

While I don't think most of those guys would, as far as the guy in the OP's game, he entered the MLB when he was 30. He was already in his prime.

I can see someone like that loving the game and giving it one more shot in the minors, getting a fairly large contract due to being a big draw for fans at the ballpark.

Oh yeah no here and there was fine, but it just seemed to happen way too often in my main league. Maybe it was a random thing in one random league.

Rizon · 03-23-2016, 01:50 PM

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Syd Thrift · 03-23-2016, 02:02 PM

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Originally Posted by TwinsGuy11

I think this is a good example of one area OOTP could be improved. I know in 16, there were a ton of former stars playing in AAA. It's just not very realistic that these players would continue playing.

I would say the opposite, that IRL someone, somewhere would have given this guy at least a year and probably 2 or 3 to a. at least indicate in the major leagues that he had "lost it", and b. that he wasn't going to get "it" back, whatever it was in the first place. Ichiro(!) for example has been well below average offensively for the past 5 years and he continues to get work.

TwinsGuy11 · 03-23-2016, 02:10 PM

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Originally Posted by Syd Thrift

I would say the opposite, that IRL someone, somewhere would have given this guy at least a year and probably 2 or 3 to a. at least indicate in the major leagues that he had "lost it", and b. that he wasn't going to get "it" back, whatever it was in the first place. Ichiro(!) for example has been well below average offensively for the past 5 years and he continues to get work.

Yeah, but he's been getting playing time in the majors. That's completely different than being in AAA for an entire year or two.

And I'm not talking about guys like Carlos Quentin or Jacque Jones. Legitimate stars for several years.

BPS · 03-23-2016, 02:28 PM

More info about Jose, the new hero of Cuba (next to Fidel, Che, and Jose Marti.)

His time in AAA was due, no doubt, to him being in the final year of a contract paying him $24 million a year. In real life, perhaps the Dodgers could have traded him to another team, sending the second team perhaps $18 million or so to take over Jose's $24 million contract. But maybe the Dodgers themselves thought Jose would get his act together and would be returning to the big leagues after this happened. You don't quickly give up on someone who hit 51 HRs the year before!

My own theory for explaining Jose's rapid decline is that with his huge wealth he was able to buy from the Cuban government the major Cuban cigar businesses when they were privatized by Raul Castro in 2022 (Raul was in his 90s but still sharp as a tack!). Jose was distracted by running his new cigar operations and his hitting suffered.

TwinsGuy11 · 03-23-2016, 02:36 PM

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Originally Posted by BPS

More info about Jose, the new hero of Cuba (next to Fidel, Che, and Jose Marti.)

His time in AAA was due, no doubt, to him being in the final year of a contract paying him $24 million a year. In real life, perhaps the Dodgers could have traded him to another team, sending the second team perhaps $18 million or so to take over Jose's $24 million contract. But maybe the Dodgers themselves thought Jose would get his act together and would be returning to the big leagues after this happened. You don't quickly give up on someone who hit 51 HRs the year before!

My own theory for explaining Jose's rapid decline is that with his huge wealth he was able to buy from the Cuban government the major Cuban cigar businesses when they were privatized by Raul Castro in 2022 (Raul was in his 90s but still sharp as a tack!). Jose was distracted by running his new cigar operations and his hitting suffered.

Love the thought!

And sorry I didn't mean to derail your thread. It was always in the back of my mind but I always forgot to bring it up in a thread.

SaoMagnifico · 03-23-2016, 08:35 PM

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Originally Posted by TwinsGuy11

I think this is a good example of one area OOTP could be improved. I know in 16, there were a ton of former stars playing in AAA. It's just not very realistic that these players would continue playing.

I'll occasionally go through and manually retire aged (37+ year-old) veterans who are (implausibly) still playing and slumming it as 1/2-star washups in the minor leagues or in Japan, or who have been sadly holding out hope for a six- or seven-figure major league deal on the free agent market for a year or more. It's one aspect of the sport OOTP doesn't model well.

The Game · 03-23-2016, 10:37 PM

Bring in the Marines!

24Rocks · 03-23-2016, 10:48 PM

I have a gun in my game he is 45 years old been playing In my game for the last 16 years give or take in my game in all my International and Independent leagues and its cool to see how his career has played out since he left the majors. I have always created a extra league to clean up some of the vets hanging around it saves me having to do it my self.

bailey · 03-23-2016, 10:56 PM

I'd wonder why after 2022, no MLB team signed him. Then I'd wonder what the ballpark factors were in LAD for home runs.

Kronos · 03-24-2016, 12:17 AM

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Originally Posted by Syd Thrift

I would say the opposite, that IRL someone, somewhere would have given this guy at least a year and probably 2 or 3 to a. at least indicate in the major leagues that he had "lost it", and b. that he wasn't going to get "it" back, whatever it was in the first place. Ichiro(!) for example has been well below average offensively for the past 5 years and he continues to get work.

Yeah, in the real world the guy would be given the chance to play himself out of the majors, he wouldn't just be sent to AAA, unless he lost a leg or something.

Bunktown Ballers · 03-24-2016, 06:49 AM

IRL he wouldn't have stayed in Cuba so long and would have defected to USA long ago. I guess we can just chalk his career up by saying it's only an OOTP career. Just saying!!!..I LOVE OOTP!!!!....lol

Dalwhat · 03-24-2016, 08:43 AM

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Originally Posted by BPS

My own theory for explaining Jose's rapid decline is that with his huge wealth he was able to buy from the Cuban government the major Cuban cigar businesses when they were privatized by Raul Castro in 2022 (Raul was in his 90s but still sharp as a tack!). Jose was distracted by running his new cigar operations and his hitting suffered.

Well they always said the best cigars were rolled on the sweaty thighs of dusky maidens. Maybe that had something to do with it as well. I'm guessing his knees were the first thing to go...

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24Rocks All Star Reserve Join Date: Nov 2004 Location: Scarborough, Ontario, Canada Posts: 808	I have a gun in my game he is 45 years old been playing In my game for the last 16 years give or take in my game in all my International and Independent leagues and its cool to see how his career has played out since he left the majors. I have always created a extra league to clean up some of the vets hanging around it saves me having to do it my self. __________________ Jonny Former OOTP Online leagues: LOHO: Detroit Tigers ISL: San Diego Padres VSL: Pittsburgh Pirates NPBL: Ohio Raptors/Nova Scotia Fishermen AFBL:Ontario Blue Pirates Check you my YOUTUBE or TWITCH

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GoBucsGo Banned Join Date: Apr 2012 Location: Buffalo, NY Posts: 278 Infractions: 0/2 (4)	He won an MVP and a World Series? Pretty cool, this guy would be a HERO in Cuba after that game the other day if this was real life.

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TwinsGuy11 Minors (Triple A) Join Date: Feb 2015 Posts: 216	I think this is a good example of one area OOTP could be improved. I know in 16, there were a ton of former stars playing in AAA. It's just not very realistic that these players would continue playing.

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Assos All Star Starter Join Date: May 2004 Location: Just on the fair side of the foul pole! Posts: 1,768	It was very common in pre WWII for stars to play in the minors and independent leagues. There were no multi-million dollar contracts and they were paid as pros not a lot of money compared to today, plus most had to work in the off season. Baseball was the only thing they knew and got paid for it, so if you were Tris Speaker and you wanted to play, someone would pay you because you were still somewhat good and you would be a draw.

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BPS All Star Reserve Join Date: May 2004 Posts: 732	More info about Jose, the new hero of Cuba (next to Fidel, Che, and Jose Marti.) His time in AAA was due, no doubt, to him being in the final year of a contract paying him $24 million a year. In real life, perhaps the Dodgers could have traded him to another team, sending the second team perhaps $18 million or so to take over Jose's $24 million contract. But maybe the Dodgers themselves thought Jose would get his act together and would be returning to the big leagues after this happened. You don't quickly give up on someone who hit 51 HRs the year before! My own theory for explaining Jose's rapid decline is that with his huge wealth he was able to buy from the Cuban government the major Cuban cigar businesses when they were privatized by Raul Castro in 2022 (Raul was in his 90s but still sharp as a tack!). Jose was distracted by running his new cigar operations and his hitting suffered.

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bailey Hall Of Famer Join Date: Jun 2005 Posts: 3,424	I'd wonder why after 2022, no MLB team signed him. Then I'd wonder what the ballpark factors were in LAD for home runs.

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Bunktown Ballers All Star Starter Join Date: Apr 2013 Location: Louisiana Posts: 1,637 Infractions: 0/2 (3)	IRL he wouldn't have stayed in Cuba so long and would have defected to USA long ago. I guess we can just chalk his career up by saying it's only an OOTP career. Just saying!!!..I LOVE OOTP!!!!....lol