What can I do to break up my dynasty?

[jpeters1734]

Full disclosure, I am not starting this thread to make myself out to be a great player. Some of the players I signed was when I had commish mode on and I was able to go over my budget. I have since traded some of the players for prospects which has boosted my farm. I did this by mistake several seasons ago when I was newer to the game.

My team has won the last 6 championships and still has the #2 farm in the league. Granted, it is a smaller league (16 teams) and the team in my sub-league went to the championship 6 years in a row before. What should I do to bring my team back down to Earth?

A restart or backup is not an option, as I have been playing this league too long to go back. I'm am not looking to change settings, besides turning off commish mode, or my method of play. By method, I mean I'm not going to stats only. I am also not willing to change teams, because I am attached to my team.

I know, I've ruled out a lot, so I don't really know what I'm expecting. Thanks for any input.

[TomVeal]

Can you tell us something about your team, such as the ages, ratings and salaries of your current stars and your top minor league prospects?

[jpeters1734]

Originally Posted by TomVeal

Can you tell us something about your team, such as the ages, ratings and salaries of your current stars and your top minor league prospects?

well, my rotation have never been the same. I usually trade my SP at the first sign of decline. My current rotation are 22,24,26,28,28. Only 2 players have contracts over the minumum. This is possible by my deep farm. I have been able to move players once they hit arbitration for more great prospects and bring up my next rookie. That has helped keep payroll down.

The same really goes for my hitters. Most of my starters, I traded for as prospects and I keep repeating the cycle. The trades that I make are fair so I don't want to handicap that.

I have thought about reducing my budget, but that doesn't really make real world sense, unless I have my owner "sell" the team to a penny-pincher. I'm toying with the idea of lowering arbitration to 2 years and FA at 4 years.

[DJ3K]

Try turning talent change randomness up to 200. That way all of the super prospects you trade for won't become guaranteed stars. Another idea is to turn scouting accuracy down.

[jpeters1734]

Originally Posted by DJ3K

Try turning talent change randomness up to 200. That way all of the super prospects you trade for won't become guaranteed stars. Another idea is to turn scouting accuracy down.

it is at 200 and I love it that way. I have accuracy at normal. If I put accuracy at low, would it affect the Ai teams as well?

[TomVeal]

My prediction is that your dynasty will degrade on its own. It relies on constant replenishment by young players who are just as good as the men they replace. At some point, you'll stop being lucky. Some of your top prospects will be injured or won't pan out - the same inevitability that brought the real life Yankee dynasty to an end.

Perhaps you could speed up the process by adding expansion teams to hoover up some of the most promising minor league players.

[Orcin]

You don't have to reduce your budget. Instead, reduce your spending with the goal of making an outrageous profit. Set your own limit on payroll and other budget items, and let the owner keep the difference. If you need a story for this, pretend your owner just lost a large amount of his fortune in a Ponzi scheme and needs your cash to handle his divorce settlement. Crazy, I know.

Next, immediately stop trading established players for prospects. Instead, keep a core of players that you and your fans like throughout their careers. They will get expensive, and that will limit your depth and stop the flow of new prospects from outside your organization. Draft and develop as normal, but stop cherry-picking the best prospects from around the league.

The combination of these two strategies will take time, but you will eventually reach equilibrium.

[24Rocks]

Ok I had this problem a lot and not even playing with commish mode just cheating in trades the game loses its fun my suggestion is to pick a few players to trade and when you have a good or close to one eaither add a extra spec to the deal to sweeten it for the other team. As you keep playo let all your minor league FA go do not resign and trade one of your young pitchers with lots of team years left for a good pitcher mid 30s wih expiring contract or a soild deal strait up. That is a good first step to making your team come back down to earth. You could also not resign some players just let them go for nothing or qualifying offer. Doing this can bring your team down a lot I used this system to get my team from #1 minors to #17 in 4 years and I hav actully gone down in the 5 years since to #20

If you use this and what was said above you should beable to not have the best minors and majors teamm

[darkcloud4579]

Your owner loses his entire fortune due to a Madoff like character and he has to sell the team. New owner talks a good game but is really a fraudster like the guys who owned Cablevision, gets indicted and the league has to take over the team. They sell off every valuable asset, meaning you're left only with those hot prospects and none of your stars that got you this far.

See how the team does with the kids running the roost with some pennies on the dollars vets around them. Or some variation.

[jpeters1734]

Originally Posted by Orcin

You don't have to reduce your budget. Instead, reduce your spending with the goal of making an outrageous profit. Set your own limit on payroll and other budget items, and let the owner keep the difference. If you need a story for this, pretend your owner just lost a large amount of his fortune in a Ponzi scheme and needs your cash to handle his divorce settlement. Crazy, I know.

Next, immediately stop trading established players for prospects. Instead, keep a core of players that you and your fans like throughout their careers. They will get expensive, and that will limit your depth and stop the flow of new prospects from outside your organization. Draft and develop as normal, but stop cherry-picking the best prospects from around the league.

The combination of these two strategies will take time, but you will eventually reach equilibrium.

I think limiting my self from trading really takes a lot of fun out for me. I do wish that the trade logic was better. When I have it on hard, a team with a weakness at a position in win now mode will not accept a trade when they are the clear favorites. Average does seem easy at times. Particularly when I use the "make this work" button.

Another reason I like trading so much is that I really like to follow my players after they leave my team. It ties the league together and is more immersive for me.

I feel like if I make my own house rules as far not resigning guys or not trading that I will become bored with the game and I'd break my own house rules. I want to play against the game, not myself if that makes sense.

[Lukas Berger]

Originally Posted by jpeters1734

I think limiting my self from trading really takes a lot of fun out for me. I do wish that the trade logic was better. When I have it on hard, a team with a weakness at a position in win now mode will not accept a trade when they are the clear favorites. Average does seem easy at times. Particularly when I use the "make this work" button.

Another reason I like trading so much is that I really like to follow my players after they leave my team. It ties the league together and is more immersive for me.

I feel like if I make my own house rules as far not resigning guys or not trading that I will become bored with the game and I'd break my own house rules. I want to play against the game, not myself if that makes sense.

You can't really play on average trading and expect not to be able to exploit the ai and build a dynasty.

Think about it this way as far as the ai reaction that bothers you on hard: You may think they're the clear favorites on a deal but they may not. They may have a lot of legitimate reasons not to make a deal with you.

- They may particularly like a player you're trying to get in the deal and rate him higher than you do.

- They may not want to spend any more money.

-They may rate the guy that you're trying to trade that you think is an upgrade far lower than you do and not see him as an upgrade at all.

-They may have another deal in the works that they like better.

It works like this in real life too, just because a team has a clear weakness at a position they aren't going to make a trade for the sake of making it. Look at the Mets and their SS position over the last year or so.

You can't just look at your own scouts assessments and your own view and think that you're making a deal that's clearly good enough for the ai on a harder level. They have their own scouts and their own assesments, that aren't going to match yours.

In fact, if they really are the clear favorites, they'll accept the deal on any level. So it seems likely that you're simply assessing trades in a way that favors you and the hard level doesn't allow the ai to go along with. Thus average looks more real, since it matches your own view, but not necessarily what's best for the ai.

Another thing about the harder levels, it takes more time to make a deal. You'll have to offer the same players on different days, different weeks, and you'll get different deals back. The average level cuts that out and lets you see all the different potentially acceptable deals pretty well at once. On hard they only show up over time. So trading on hard takes more time and more patience, but it will slow you down, and make things more realistic and balanced in the end.

[jpeters1734]

Originally Posted by lukasberger

You can't really play on average trading and expect not to be able to exploit the ai and build a dynasty.

Think about it this way as far as the ai reaction that bothers you on hard: You may think they're the clear favorites on a deal but they may not. They may have a lot of legitimate reasons not to make a deal with you.

- They may particularly like a player you're trying to get in the deal and rate him higher than you do.

- They may not want to spend any more money.

-They may rate the guy that you're trying to trade that you think is an upgrade far lower than you do and not see him as an upgrade at all.

-They may have another deal in the works that they like better.

It works like this in real life too, just because a team has a clear weakness at a position they aren't going to make a trade for the sake of making it. Look at the Mets and their SS position over the last year or so.

You can't just look at your own scouts assessments and your own view and think that you're making a deal that's clearly good enough for the ai on a harder level. They have their own scouts and their own assesments, that aren't going to match yours.

In fact if the deal was clearly good enough for them, they'd make it. So it seems likely that you're simply assessing trades in a way that favors you and the hard level doesn't allow the ai to go along with. Thus average looks more real, since it matches your own view, but not necessarily what's best for the ai.

Another thing about the harder levels, it takes more time to make a deal. You'll have to offer the same players on different days, different weeks, and you'll get different deals back. The average level cuts that out and lets you see all the different potentially acceptable deals pretty well at once. On hard they only show up over time. So trading on hard takes more time and more patience, but it will slow you down, and make things more realistic and balanced in the end.

damn you used logic, lol. I guess I never really looked at it that way. would you suggest hard at neutral or favor vet/prospect?

[Orcin]

Never mind.

[Lukas Berger]

Originally Posted by jpeters1734

damn you used logic, lol. I guess I never really looked at it that way. would you suggest hard at neutral or favor vet/prospect?

I think the neutral, favor vets, favor prospects is very much a matter of personal taste.

I usually go with neutral, but you'll probably be ok with any of them.

[24Rocks]

Originally Posted by jpeters1734

I think limiting my self from trading really takes a lot of fun out for me. I do wish that the trade logic was better. When I have it on hard, a team with a weakness at a position in win now mode will not accept a trade when they are the clear favorites. Average does seem easy at times. Particularly when I use the "make this work" button.

Another reason I like trading so much is that I really like to follow my players after they leave my team. It ties the league together and is more immersive for me.

I feel like if I make my own house rules as far not resigning guys or not trading that I will become bored with the game and I'd break my own house rules. I want to play against the game, not myself if that makes sense.

That makes does make sence to me along with following players after they leave it is big thing I like doing. You speak of house rules you should try to have a rule that you always trade fair looking from other Other teams point of view of you wouldn't make that same trade if you were them then it's not a fair trade. Just suggesting some things that have worked or not for me but really really try not to be in commish mode when resigning guys follow your budget it's a lot of fun when you actully have to fight to win 😀

[24Rocks]

Originally Posted by jpeters1734

damn you used logic, lol. I guess I never really looked at it that way. would you suggest hard at neutral or favor vet/prospect?

I say neutral always as favouring eaither way I have found make the AI no matter where they are looking for the younger/older option but that's just my personal option/experience.

[Westheim]

Your team is doing too well? Send me the backup, I can break up any dynasty in six months or less.

[ThatSeventiesGuy]

Let the old guys get older, trade what prospects you have in your system for more old guys. AKA The Ruin Tomorrow, Jr. Method.

Or trade all the old guys for prospects, which is the better way to do it if you want to rebuild the dynasty later on.

[Biggio509]

Originally Posted by jpeters1734

well, my rotation have never been the same. I usually trade my SP at the first sign of decline. My current rotation are 22,24,26,28,28. Only 2 players have contracts over the minumum. This is possible by my deep farm. I have been able to move players once they hit arbitration for more great prospects and bring up my next rookie. That has helped keep payroll down.

The same really goes for my hitters. Most of my starters, I traded for as prospects and I keep repeating the cycle. The trades that I make are fair so I don't want to handicap that.

I have thought about reducing my budget, but that doesn't really make real world sense, unless I have my owner "sell" the team to a penny-pincher. I'm toying with the idea of lowering arbitration to 2 years and FA at 4 years.

Let your guys age. It makes a big difference. I kind of role play in my 19th and early 20th centuries leagues. I don't drop fan favorites even when they can hardly field any more. A guy still hitting around .300 but no defense will hurt you and they don't always retire when they should. I have had guys that were stars for so long that it would cause as much backlash as if the Astros had traded Biggio in the early 2000s. I let them play as long as they want because it kills my fan interest to get rid of them. Not that fan interest hurts so much when I am winning a lot. I have seen 100 win teams go to below .500 because I had a couple of over the hill stars who had decent bats still but couldn't field anything.

Remember real teams have faced and will continue to face this problem. Do you take a hit in ticket sales by ticking off your fan base for cutting a fan favorite or take your lumps and let him realize his playing days are over. Remember Babe Ruth, Nolan Ryan, and Roger Clemens were putting butts in the seats way past their prime. Granted none of these guys had declined to the level of some of my 19th century plays who have no fielding ratings any more but can still swing a bat or pitchers who have declined but trying to eek out that last milestone.

[rudel.dietrich]

You can only sign draft and trade players born in February.

Boom, try and win now.