Chicago Barbers steal an amazing total of 4 bases

David Watts · 10-21-2014, 10:40 AM

In one inning? In one game? Nope. They stole 4 bases total for an entire 136 game season. Never knew that the stolen base became such a forgotten art during the 50's. I'm 8 1/2 seasons into (1958) my random debut league and I think the individual career leader has something like 132 steals.

RchW · 10-21-2014, 10:43 AM

Maybe they should stop cutting hair.

darkcloud4579 · 10-21-2014, 10:50 AM

Great team name, by the way. I like it a lot.

kevrock · 10-21-2014, 12:16 PM

I've seen teams do this in online leagues because even with great base stealers, the CS gets so high. The percentage of CS is way higher than whatever SABR defines as efficient base stealing.

For example, I have a player that is actually 80/80/80 on speed/stealing/baserunning/ (this is on the 80 point scale that scouts use, not out of 100)

He stole 54 bases and was caught 31 times.

Is it worth trying to steal at all in OOTP?

hfield007 · 10-21-2014, 12:22 PM

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Originally Posted by kevrock

Is it worth trying to steal at all in OOTP?

Yes.

OakDragon · 10-21-2014, 01:47 PM

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Originally Posted by RchW

Maybe they should stop cutting hair.

Maybe they should go back to cutting hair. :P

RchW · 10-21-2014, 02:36 PM

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Originally Posted by OakDragon

Maybe they should go back to cutting hair. :P

Or bloodletting.

Hajew86 · 10-21-2014, 02:38 PM

these are fun stats I love to see. How many HR's did they hit?

Cryomaniac · 10-21-2014, 02:47 PM

I've had a guy steal 7 bases in one game (admittedly I was controlling the team, and I like to run with guys with high speed and steal ratings).

David Watts · 10-21-2014, 03:09 PM

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Originally Posted by Hajew86

these are fun stats I love to see. How many HR's did they hit?

Will try and remember to check this when I get home from work. The Barbers have always had some pop in the lineup. Jim Wynn, George Bell and Jason Giambi being their main bats.

RchW · 10-21-2014, 03:55 PM

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Originally Posted by kevrock

I've seen teams do this in online leagues because even with great base stealers, the CS gets so high. The percentage of CS is way higher than whatever SABR defines as efficient base stealing.

For example, I have a player that is actually 80/80/80 on speed/stealing/baserunning/ (this is on the 80 point scale that scouts use, not out of 100)

He stole 54 bases and was caught 31 times.

Is it worth trying to steal at all in OOTP?

Sure it is.

If CS is too high the league settings are off. The real MLB average SB% has varied little in a decade (71%-74%). This is completely controllable in OOTP and in my experience very stable and reproducible. The league commissioners should check league stat output then adjust league total modifiers related to SB success and SB attempts.

Now one negative is that SB success by individual players is more widely distributed ie you will see a bunch of 70%-80% guys but not enough 85% guys. That's understandable in a ratings based sim IMO. This could occur because of player ratings distribution and/or AI strategy. This may or may not matter to you. The key point is you can get realistic CS%.

kevrock · 10-21-2014, 04:40 PM

Woah, sweet. Where do we find the league stat output?

David Watts · 10-21-2014, 07:07 PM

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Originally Posted by Hajew86

these are fun stats I love to see. How many HR's did they hit?

They hit 109 home runs. 8th out of 12 teams.

fhomess · 10-22-2014, 11:31 AM

I had an online league team attempt only 6 stolen bases in 129 games. We were successful 5 times, though, and did have a ton of power in the lineup.

jpeters1734 · 10-22-2014, 12:35 PM

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Originally Posted by kevrock

I've seen teams do this in online leagues because even with great base stealers, the CS gets so high. The percentage of CS is way higher than whatever SABR defines as efficient base stealing.

For example, I have a player that is actually 80/80/80 on speed/stealing/baserunning/ (this is on the 80 point scale that scouts use, not out of 100)

He stole 54 bases and was caught 31 times.

Is it worth trying to steal at all in OOTP?

I would guess his player strategy for base running is set to extreme for aggressiveness

Hajew86 · 10-22-2014, 02:48 PM

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Originally Posted by David Watts

They hit 109 home runs. 8th out of 12 teams.

Figures they'd be near the bottom but at least they got to triple digits.

Trebro · 10-22-2014, 10:04 PM

Was each safe call on those SBs a close shave?

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kevrock Minors (Double A) Join Date: Jun 2009 Posts: 159	I've seen teams do this in online leagues because even with great base stealers, the CS gets so high. The percentage of CS is way higher than whatever SABR defines as efficient base stealing. For example, I have a player that is actually 80/80/80 on speed/stealing/baserunning/ (this is on the 80 point scale that scouts use, not out of 100) He stole 54 bases and was caught 31 times. Is it worth trying to steal at all in OOTP? Last edited by kevrock; 10-21-2014 at 12:18 PM.

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Hajew86 Minors (Single A) Join Date: Apr 2014 Location: Phoenix, AZ Posts: 59	these are fun stats I love to see. How many HR's did they hit?

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