McGwire admits steroid use

Russ · 01-11-2010, 03:14 PM

On and off for nearly a decade.

Mark McGwire comes clean, admits steroids use - ESPN

Russ · 01-11-2010, 03:16 PM

Here's a link with some more info:

APNewsBreak: McGwire admits using steroids - Yahoo! News

ry1220 · 01-11-2010, 03:21 PM

I wonder, then, how this effects Tony LaRussa's "dream"? Sort of puts a damper on that, no?

wireman · 01-11-2010, 03:29 PM

Yeah, right. I'm so gullible I believe this.

I think Barack Obama's president of the United States, too.

kq76 · 01-11-2010, 03:47 PM

It's too late for me. If he had made a deal with the feds that they couldn't use it against him and then publicly admitted it and then went to schools to speak against drugs then yeah, I'd forgive him. But doing this just so he can get back into the game (it sounded to me like the Cards wouldn't take him back unless he came clean), no thanks. You cheated the game. Go back to being a hermit.

It's been months since he was announced as their new hitting coach and I still don't get it. Don't you want someone who actually hit well to be your hitting coach like, you know, someone who had a better than average BA? That sure doesn't describe McGwire to me. I won't go with the obvious joke, but what, is he somehow going to teach guys how to hit for power? That's not something you can really teach, is it?

Getting back to the steroids issue, I highly doubt he wasn't on roids in his rookie season. I am somewhat sympathetic to the whole injury excuse, but still, unless it's totally safe and there's no reason for anyone not to take them, then it's against the spirit of the game and shouldn't be done. You're sorry now? Well, that's good for you.

I don't like this. I've never really liked LaRussa (the Jays and As had some good battles in the 90s), but the Cardinals franchise has for the most part been a pretty likeable franchise for me (going back to the Herzog days to today with the very likeable Pujols). It's very disappointing that they're bringing this cheat back.

jaxmagicman · 01-11-2010, 03:56 PM

Meh, big deal. Steriods don't do much for power anyway.

bubba22plus · 01-11-2010, 04:43 PM

I knew he was a steroid user, but he seems like he's cleaned up his act now, at least. I know La Russa wants to have babies with McGwire, but i really think he's not just saying that because him and La Russa are buddies and coaches on the same team.

EMSoccerCoach · 01-11-2010, 05:20 PM

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Originally Posted by kq76

It's too late for me. If he had made a deal with the feds that they couldn't use it against him and then publicly admitted it and then went to schools to speak against drugs then yeah, I'd forgive him. But doing this just so he can get back into the game (it sounded to me like the Cards wouldn't take him back unless he came clean), no thanks. You cheated the game. Go back to being a hermit.

Did the guys who took amphetamines cheat the game, too? Or cork their bat? Or throw spitballs?

jazzrack · 01-11-2010, 05:41 PM

so what, performance enhancers have been a part of sports since the invention of sports way back in the greek days. this notion that baseball was clean and pure untill modern roids came along annoys the crap out of me.

bubba22plus · 01-11-2010, 05:44 PM

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Originally Posted by EMSoccerCoach

Did the guys who took amphetamines cheat the game, too? Or cork their bat? Or throw spitballs?

Besides, taking steroids technically wasn't cheating until 2002, a year after McGwire retired. And they only got banned when people made a big deal about it.

Russ · 01-11-2010, 05:47 PM

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Originally Posted by kq76

It's too late for me. If he had made a deal with the feds that they couldn't use it against him and then publicly admitted it and then went to schools to speak against drugs then yeah, I'd forgive him. But doing this just so he can get back into the game (it sounded to me like the Cards wouldn't take him back unless he came clean), no thanks. You cheated the game. Go back to being a hermit.

It's been months since he was announced as their new hitting coach and I still don't get it. Don't you want someone who actually hit well to be your hitting coach like, you know, someone who had a better than average BA? That sure doesn't describe McGwire to me. I won't go with the obvious joke, but what, is he somehow going to teach guys how to hit for power? That's not something you can really teach, is it?

Getting back to the steroids issue, I highly doubt he wasn't on roids in his rookie season. I am somewhat sympathetic to the whole injury excuse, but still, unless it's totally safe and there's no reason for anyone not to take them, then it's against the spirit of the game and shouldn't be done. You're sorry now? Well, that's good for you.

I don't like this. I've never really liked LaRussa (the Jays and As had some good battles in the 90s), but the Cardinals franchise has for the most part been a pretty likeable franchise for me (going back to the Herzog days to today with the very likeable Pujols). It's very disappointing that they're bringing this cheat back.

If Hank Aaron can forgive, maybe you can too.

Hank Aaron Calls for Forgiveness for McGwire | 13WMAZ.com | Macon, GA

kq76 · 01-11-2010, 06:00 PM

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Originally Posted by EMSoccerCoach

Did the guys who took amphetamines cheat the game, too? Or cork their bat? Or throw spitballs?

Yup. They can go live the lives of hermits too.

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Originally Posted by jazzrack

so what, performance enhancers have been a part of sports since the invention of sports way back in the greek days. this notion that baseball was clean and pure untill modern roids came along annoys the crap out of me.

I'm not naive in thinking that baseball was all pure and honorable before steroids came along, but I certainly don't agree with letting a cheater back into the game. Okay, you did steroids, thanks for coming clean. Now resign your position of hitting coach and p*** off.

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Originally Posted by Russ

If Hank Aaron can forgive, maybe you can too.

Hank Aaron Calls for Forgiveness for McGwire | 13WMAZ.com | Macon, GA

Maybe, but I'm not there yet. Maybe in another decade or two.

Another thing that bugs me is I could have sworn he said in his testimony that even though he wouldn't admit to them that he'd take every opportunity he could to speak against them. Was that not him who said that? If so, where the heck has he been? From everything I read, he went into seclusion.

StyxNCa · 01-11-2010, 06:33 PM

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Originally Posted by jazzrack

so what, performance enhancers have been a part of sports since the invention of sports way back in the greek days. this notion that baseball was clean and pure untill modern roids came along annoys the crap out of me.

Yeah. Like Babe Ruth and Mickey Mantle using the enhancer.....alcohol! Imagine how sorry they would have been if he had stayed away from that!

StyxNCa · 01-11-2010, 06:36 PM

The only thing about this that shocks me is that anyone is bothering to cover it! Is there anyone who didn't know before now he used the stuff?

turdfurgeson · 01-11-2010, 06:50 PM

The whole steroid era thing seems kind of overblown to me, but the part that stood out in his confession and apology was the "I wish I never played in the steroid era". Well, he was an active part of that era. I don't know what he means by that. Did he feel pressured to do it to compete? How rampant was it? Does he just lament the fact that this will tarnish him. Wish there was a follow up question to that one. It is like a slave owner saying after abolition that they wish they did not live in the slavery era. Lots of ways to interpret that.

jbergey22 · 01-11-2010, 06:52 PM

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Originally Posted by StyxNCa

The only thing about this that shocks me is that anyone is bothering to cover it! Is there anyone who didn't know before now he used the stuff?

You certainly wouldnt think so. I agree with you. this story is kind of like telling people in Northern USA that you will get snow in the Winter.

Jason Moyer · 01-11-2010, 07:07 PM

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Originally Posted by Russ

If Hank Aaron can forgive, maybe you can too.

Hank Aaron Calls for Forgiveness for McGwire | 13WMAZ.com | Macon, GA

Hank was, at least, taking amphetamines while he played, so it's probably somewhat predictable that he'd offer an olive branch to modern PED users. Personally, I'd like to see him come out and fess up to the **** he was taking.

EMSoccerCoach · 01-11-2010, 07:09 PM

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Originally Posted by Jason Moyer

Hank was, at least, taking amphetamines while he played, so it's probably somewhat predictable that he'd offer an olive branch to modern PED users. Personally, I'd like to see him come out and fess up to the **** he was taking.

Didn't he already do that in his book?

jazzrack · 01-11-2010, 07:14 PM

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Originally Posted by StyxNCa

The only thing about this that shocks me is that anyone is bothering to cover it! Is there anyone who didn't know before now he used the stuff?

you do realize that performance enhancers of various types existed back then right? simply because we don't have any news stories roim the lapdog media of the day doesn't mean the didn't. now it doesn't mean they did either, but if i were to simply look at stats something is up. today they would have accusations thrown at them from all over the place.

StyxNCa · 01-11-2010, 07:18 PM

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Originally Posted by jazzrack

you do realize that performance enhancers of various types existed back then right? simply because we don't have any news stories roim the lapdog media of the day doesn't mean the didn't. now it doesn't mean they did either, but if i were to simply look at stats something is up. today they would have accusations thrown at them from all over the place.

Many of the past stars drank heavily, smoked during the game, and ate in the dugout. None of those are heavily recognized as performance enhancers.

I wonder what Ruth's numbers would have looked like if he wasn't always huing over during games.

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kq76 Global Moderator Join Date: Nov 2002 Posts: 12,031	It's too late for me. If he had made a deal with the feds that they couldn't use it against him and then publicly admitted it and then went to schools to speak against drugs then yeah, I'd forgive him. But doing this just so he can get back into the game (it sounded to me like the Cards wouldn't take him back unless he came clean), no thanks. You cheated the game. Go back to being a hermit. It's been months since he was announced as their new hitting coach and I still don't get it. Don't you want someone who actually hit well to be your hitting coach like, you know, someone who had a better than average BA? That sure doesn't describe McGwire to me. I won't go with the obvious joke, but what, is he somehow going to teach guys how to hit for power? That's not something you can really teach, is it? Getting back to the steroids issue, I highly doubt he wasn't on roids in his rookie season. I am somewhat sympathetic to the whole injury excuse, but still, unless it's totally safe and there's no reason for anyone not to take them, then it's against the spirit of the game and shouldn't be done. You're sorry now? Well, that's good for you. I don't like this. I've never really liked LaRussa (the Jays and As had some good battles in the 90s), but the Cardinals franchise has for the most part been a pretty likeable franchise for me (going back to the Herzog days to today with the very likeable Pujols). It's very disappointing that they're bringing this cheat back. __________________ My OOTP Wishlist \| My FAQ List OOTP Wiki \| Your Recommended Team Nicknames, By City (A Crowdsourced Project) For Beta/Devs: Full screen (1920x1080)

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turdfurgeson Major Leagues Join Date: Jan 2005 Posts: 421	The whole steroid era thing seems kind of overblown to me, but the part that stood out in his confession and apology was the "I wish I never played in the steroid era". Well, he was an active part of that era. I don't know what he means by that. Did he feel pressured to do it to compete? How rampant was it? Does he just lament the fact that this will tarnish him. Wish there was a follow up question to that one. It is like a slave owner saying after abolition that they wish they did not live in the slavery era. Lots of ways to interpret that.