Simulating

Titan · 11-21-2009, 06:39 AM

Im currently a member of a online league and i am a commish.

Im wondering if its possible to run test sims without having the results saved?

Like if i made a player and wanted to see how he performs or what not.

Would i just sim normally and then reupdate the file from the league site?

Bristolduke · 11-21-2009, 07:33 AM

Make a copy of the league. Rename. and make the changes in the copy.

Only Way

satchel · 11-22-2009, 04:42 AM

Bristolduke's suggestion is the best way to run "test" sims in an online league.

A Commish can sim games, and then return the league to an earlier state. The game is capable of allowing this. Yet the possibility of doing this without negative consequences for the league's data becomes more slim, the more that the league has progressed through its schedule. Plus, it's almost impossible to hide that this has happened. Every game-day that a league completes will result in the modification of thousands of OOTP Baseball game files (if the league is average sized). Time stamps on files, and many other results of a sim, create a mass of evidence that makes the real-world timing of an online league's sim clear and obvious.

Titan · 11-22-2009, 04:07 PM

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Originally Posted by satchel

Bristolduke's suggestion is the best way to run "test" sims in an online league.

A Commish can sim games, and then return the league to an earlier state. The game is capable of allowing this. Yet the possibility of doing this without negative consequences for the league's data becomes more slim, the more that the league has progressed through its schedule. Plus, it's almost impossible to hide that this has happened. Every game-day that a league completes will result in the modification of thousands of OOTP Baseball game files (if the league is average sized). Time stamps on files, and many other results of a sim, create a mass of evidence that makes the real-world timing of an online league's sim clear and obvious.

Im not a simmer only have the commish password. So i wouldnt really be affecting anything all i do is export my own team.
So if i were to sim, would reupdating from the league file revert it to the previous stage?

kq76 · 11-22-2009, 05:47 PM

Many (most, all?) online leagues consider simming ahead to be cheating. About the only time it's not is if a commish is expressly simming ahead to test if something, like a new patch, will screw something up and even then they shouldn't look at ratings of players they might have some interest in. Unless you know for sure that what you want to do is not considered by any of the members in your league to be cheating, don't do it.

Cooleyvol · 11-22-2009, 06:18 PM

Create a player in a solo league of your own if you want to see how he'll turn out.........doing this in an online league file is not kosher to most.

RchW · 11-22-2009, 06:45 PM

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Originally Posted by kq76

Many (most, all?) online leagues consider simming ahead to be cheating. About the only time it's not is if a commish is expressly simming ahead to test if something, like a new patch, will screw something up and even then they shouldn't look at ratings of players they might have some interest in. Unless you know for sure that what you want to do is not considered by any of the members in your league to be cheating, don't do it.

I'd certainly consider it cheating unless there is a "league need" for it and it is announced to the other GM's

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Originally Posted by Titan

Im not a simmer only have the commish password. So i wouldnt really be affecting anything all i do is export my own team.
So if i were to sim, would reupdating from the league file revert it to the previous stage?

If you don't sim why have the commish passport? Do you process trades or some other function?

eodgooch · 01-29-2010, 10:26 AM

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Originally Posted by kq76

Many (most, all?) online leagues consider simming ahead to be cheating. About the only time it's not is if a commish is expressly simming ahead to test if something, like a new patch, will screw something up and even then they shouldn't look at ratings of players they might have some interest in. Unless you know for sure that what you want to do is not considered by any of the members in your league to be cheating, don't do it.

I run an online league and I consider this cheating. But simming ahead to test is extremely important and not doing so borders on irresponsibility. I sim ahead at the start of every season and I have simmed out 50+ years of my league around 10 times. I can't state enough how important these sims are. You can get a good idea of how your feeder leagues are spitting players out, if your TCR is too high or too low, how injuries effect players careers. There are so many things you can learn about the integrity of your league from these sims. I think running test sims is very important. Besides if you have your TCR around 100 and injuries at OOTP normal or low it is pretty much a guarantee that players will not do what you expect *if* you are doing this to cheat. I always let members of my league know what I am doing the testing for. I have asked my GM's if they want complete transparency to see what I see and almost all of the GM's didn't want to see it.

I say do the test sims, let the league know what is going on but don't control your team. Put everything on CPU control and let it play out.

snnort · 01-29-2010, 01:33 PM

I think it's cheating too. By simming ahead to check out how certain players do, you are making information available to you, that anyone else in the league without commish creds is not able to do. Now ahead once is only giving you one "for instance," but it's still more information than the majority of the league has.

That's not to say simming ahead (using a backup copy) to make sure there is not a crash during a certain key event OR date... or to plan out expansion draft etc... those are responsible times to sim ahead to make sure those events run smoothly... but it would be cheating to gain data on specific players.

IF there was a reliable time machine in real life, and George Stienbrenner had the only one in existance and used it to gain scouting information an how well certain prospects did or did not do... AND the other 29 teams had zero access to the "future" information... would that be cheating?

11-21-2009, 06:39 AM	#1
Titan Bat Boy Join Date: Oct 2009 Posts: 12	Simulating Im currently a member of a online league and i am a commish. Im wondering if its possible to run test sims without having the results saved? Like if i made a player and wanted to see how he performs or what not. Would i just sim normally and then reupdate the file from the league site?

11-21-2009, 07:33 AM	#2
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11-22-2009, 04:42 AM	#3
satchel Hall Of Famer Join Date: Apr 2002 Location: Ft Smith Ark. USA Posts: 2,681	Bristolduke's suggestion is the best way to run "test" sims in an online league. A Commish can sim games, and then return the league to an earlier state. The game is capable of allowing this. Yet the possibility of doing this without negative consequences for the league's data becomes more slim, the more that the league has progressed through its schedule. Plus, it's almost impossible to hide that this has happened. Every game-day that a league completes will result in the modification of thousands of OOTP Baseball game files (if the league is average sized). Time stamps on files, and many other results of a sim, create a mass of evidence that makes the real-world timing of an online league's sim clear and obvious. __________________ JL Commish NPBL Rhode Island Reds ’33 ’34 ’35 TCBA San Francisco Railbornes ’74 ’76 ’77 ’78 FL New Orleans Black Sox ’56 ’57 ’58 ’59

11-22-2009, 05:47 PM	#5
kq76 Global Moderator Join Date: Nov 2002 Posts: 11,952	Many (most, all?) online leagues consider simming ahead to be cheating. About the only time it's not is if a commish is expressly simming ahead to test if something, like a new patch, will screw something up and even then they shouldn't look at ratings of players they might have some interest in. Unless you know for sure that what you want to do is not considered by any of the members in your league to be cheating, don't do it. __________________ My OOTP Wishlist \| My FAQ List OOTP Wiki \| Your Recommended Team Nicknames, By City (A Crowdsourced Project) For Beta/Devs: Full screen (1920x1080)

11-22-2009, 06:18 PM	#6
Cooleyvol Hall Of Famer Join Date: Dec 2001 Location: Union City, TN Posts: 6,383	Create a player in a solo league of your own if you want to see how he'll turn out.........doing this in an online league file is not kosher to most.

01-29-2010, 01:33 PM	#9
snnort Minors (Triple A) Join Date: Apr 2004 Posts: 272	I think it's cheating too. By simming ahead to check out how certain players do, you are making information available to you, that anyone else in the league without commish creds is not able to do. Now ahead once is only giving you one "for instance," but it's still more information than the majority of the league has. That's not to say simming ahead (using a backup copy) to make sure there is not a crash during a certain key event OR date... or to plan out expansion draft etc... those are responsible times to sim ahead to make sure those events run smoothly... but it would be cheating to gain data on specific players. IF there was a reliable time machine in real life, and George Stienbrenner had the only one in existance and used it to gain scouting information an how well certain prospects did or did not do... AND the other 29 teams had zero access to the "future" information... would that be cheating?