Pre- Noob Questions / inquires

[ParkBench]

Hello and let me thank you before hand for your time, (and I'm sorry for the length of my post)

I say Pre-Noob because I do not in fact own OOTP, or any sim baseball program as of right now. You could say I'm shopping.

Currently I'm in a centralized league that uses DMB. I never see the actual simming, the commish does all this. I simply modify my line ups and management tendencies via a web form.
Anyway, I like the commish, and I really like the scheduling, and format of the league. But I'm increasing frustrated with the lack of involvement / participation from other GMs.
I've taken it upon myself to analyze, write and create the web page for a sort of power rankings of the teams in the league, all 30 teams. I do this every 2 weeks. I've also created a trading block page to try and encourage trades (my team is in need of some fresh blood.)
I have the full support of the commissioner, but only 30% of the owners have gotten back to me about this page, and I have no way of knowing readership of the Power Rankings page.
So... I'm looking for a new league / new Sim software package. I'm even open to / considering starting my own league.
I'm curious if OOTP offers the opportunity to run a league with this format:

- 24 to 30 teams
- real MLB players / stadiums / stats
- League would sim 1 year behind current, or would sim current year if a fairly good projections data file were available. (I simply don't care for sims that blast through a season in a 2 month period. I like having 1 game simmed a day, and follows the mlb season pretty closely. I have a hockey sim to watch out for in the winter. I don't need to be simming games in december.
- 40 man rosters, 25 majors and 15 player minor team (the minors team is not simmed)
- Salaries and contract terms. (possibly even using real life MLB salaries.

I'm crazy right?!?! Is this something OOTP would handle and handle well?
Does anyone play in a league like this now? I would prefer to get into a league, and not have to try and recruit for my own.

really thanks for your time and ideas

-pb

[Kelric]

Originally Posted by ParkBench

- 24 to 30 teams
- real MLB players / stadiums / stats
- League would sim 1 year behind current, or would sim current year if a fairly good projections data file were available. (I simply don't care for sims that blast through a season in a 2 month period. I like having 1 game simmed a day, and follows the mlb season pretty closely. I have a hockey sim to watch out for in the winter. I don't need to be simming games in december.
- 40 man rosters, 25 majors and 15 player minor team (the minors team is not simmed)
- Salaries and contract terms. (possibly even using real life MLB salaries.

24-30 teams, no problem. 2 teams, 100 teams, it's all good.

MLB players, stadiums and stats, easy enough. They'll all be in OOTP9.

You can sim one year behind, one year ahead, 100 years behind, 100 years ahead... You'll get more realistic/close to life results sticking at least one season behind, or you can let the game engine take over completely and have your own world develop completely different from MLB.

40 man and 25 man rosters, easy. 15 man minors should be easy, but minor leaguers will play games in OOTP. I guess you might be able to edit their schedule, but then you are hindering their development if you only give them a handful of games. If you want no games for minor leaguers, probably easier to just play with a Reserve Roster. While the AI may keep good players rotting on a Reserve, (most) humans probably won't have that issue.

Salaries and contracts, check. Making salaries the same as their real life counterparts, time consuming since you'd have to do it yourself, but doable.

[kq76]

Yeah, everything sounds doable except the non-simmed minors. It shouldn't hurt to sim it, but note that if you go with reserves only then you can't use waivers / a 2ndary roster.

Check out the online league board or the IOLD (see my sig) for a league that fits what you want.

[ParkBench]

SWEET!

I wasn't looking at simming minors games cause I didn't want to scare off GMs who didn't want to worry about a single A affiliate. If they have space holder players / ghost players, and the 15 members of the 40 man roster who are not in the majors get to "play" thats cool.


kq76 - http://ootp-leagues.com/iold/home.php is broken.
I would seriously RATHER find a league with my idea implemented already.
(mostly cause its hard to find like minded GMs.)

is there someplace else / another link?


thank you so much for your responses... I'm gonna pre-order, and see what I find. $25 can't hurt : )

if there are other opinions on my original post, please continue to respond.

[kq76]

Originally Posted by ParkBench

kq76 - http://ootp-leagues.com/iold/home.php is broken.
I would seriously RATHER find a league with my idea implemented already.
(mostly cause its hard to find like minded GMs.)

is there someplace else / another link?

Oops, sorry. It's not hosted on a site of mine so I don't always know right away if there is a problem. I'll find out what it is.

For now, just visit the online leagues board. You can read through the ad threads there and/or post your interest in the sticky thread set up for that. It might take some time to find exactly what you're looking for, but there is so much to choose from that you'll likely find something good.

[ParkBench]

I have started going through the list.

I think I'm one of few that prefer simming seasons more slowly (but daily). : )
and remaining accurate with current players.

everyone is in a rush to win, or turn over a bad team.

[kq76]

Originally Posted by ParkBench

I have started going through the list.

I think I'm one of few that prefer simming seasons more slowly (but daily). : )
and remaining accurate with current players.

everyone is in a rush to win, or turn over a bad team.

Yeah, it's going to be tough to find a league that goes as slow as you want. I imagine there's got to be at least one that goes that slow, but if you really want that you won't be able to be too picky about other things. Or, you can just start your own league. I've often found leagues that I liked, but when I found a bunch of things I wanted in a league, I eventually created my own (it's defunct now though).

I also wonder if because you're coming from DMB how strict you want stats to follow what happened in real life. I myself am not that kind of player so you should get this info from someone who is, but as I understand it there are 3 levels of accuracy (or 2 now in OOTP8 and 3 in OOTP9?) with one being much like DMB.

I'd recommend at least trying out one online league that you think comes to what you want and then if it just doesn't satisfy you then start one yourself. If you know a good number of like-minded DMB people it probably won't be too hard for you to fill it especially if you say start at a time in history with less teams. Plus, maybe there are quite a few people here who would like to try a league like you described but since there's not many like it they just haven't.

[ParkBench]

) close to reality struck me as funny. I think DMB is far from accurate.

in the league I'm in right now that uses DMB. Jason Marquis is 10 - 0 with a sub 3.00 era in 2007. accurate is subjective.

I guess simply put, I love the 'morning paper' sort of feel of simming everyday, and simming 1 day at a time. I get to work, launch a browser, and read the scores from the previous days games.
and I like real players. So simming the current year, or one year behind means I don't have fictional players. I could pass on contracts and salaries if there was good participation.

Its great if the sim is near real life. I know Jeter ain't gonna hit 25 HR, but between 9 - 15 is a good bet. I know Mark Prior is gonna get hurt at some point. Figgins is gonna steal bases. Woody Williams being 1 - 5 with a 5.50 era. Those sort of things.

Maybe I should look into a league simming in the 1980s or something. at least that would cover real players.

Thanks for all your help. I pre-ordered OotP 9 this morning. I'll mess around with it when its avail, and see how hard it would be to run my own league. And see what sort of interest there would be in that sort of league.

I really appreciate your input. I really think DMB will die... maybe the refugees will find their way here, and more might be interested in my league.

[johneh]

Originally Posted by ParkBench

I have started going through the list.

I think I'm one of few that prefer simming seasons more slowly (but daily). : )
and remaining accurate with current players.

everyone is in a rush to win, or turn over a bad team.

I prefer a slower sim too. Maybe not 1 game per day but maybe sim 1 week once a week. I don't have enough time to get involved with leagues with heavy sim schedules.

[f.montoya]

Originally Posted by ParkBench

) close to reality struck me as funny. I think DMB is far from accurate.

in the league I'm in right now that uses DMB. Jason Marquis is 10 - 0 with a sub 3.00 era in 2007. accurate is subjective.

I guess simply put, I love the 'morning paper' sort of feel of simming everyday, and simming 1 day at a time. I get to work, launch a browser, and read the scores from the previous days games.
and I like real players. So simming the current year, or one year behind means I don't have fictional players. I could pass on contracts and salaries if there was good participation.

Its great if the sim is near real life. I know Jeter ain't gonna hit 25 HR, but between 9 - 15 is a good bet. I know Mark Prior is gonna get hurt at some point. Figgins is gonna steal bases. Woody Williams being 1 - 5 with a 5.50 era. Those sort of things.

Maybe I should look into a league simming in the 1980s or something. at least that would cover real players.

Thanks for all your help. I pre-ordered OotP 9 this morning. I'll mess around with it when its avail, and see how hard it would be to run my own league. And see what sort of interest there would be in that sort of league.

I really appreciate your input. I really think DMB will die... maybe the refugees will find their way here, and more might be interested in my league.

While you wait, you can at least mess around with OOTP5. It's free and at least you can get to know a little about the principles of which OOTP 9 is based, since you say you don't own OOTP. You can download it here...

OOTP Developments: OOTP 5 available for FREE!!!

[Bluenoser]

The ASBL aaronsmart baseball :: The Majors for OOTP Leagues is a league that sims one game a day. Currently using OOTP 2007/8.

Also have an opening at this time.

[ParkBench]

Thanks. I've been checking out that league site. trying to find their rules page.. lots of reference to it.. no page.

I'll keep looking.

and I'll download 05 and play around with it thanks for that suggestion as well.

[Kelric]

Just as a warning, OOTP5 is VERY different from OOTP'07/8 and will be different from OOTP9. Between OOTP6 and OOTP 2006 there was a complete engine re-write and the UI was re-designed. The basic premise of the game is the same, but it's almost an entirely different animal.

[ParkBench]

Thanks for the warning Kelric.
I'm starting to think they might be room in the world for my league concept. might run some tests and then see about preparing for next season. I play sim hockey too, and it runs during the regular season, so the 2 off set each other.

I preorders 09 for windows, I'm curious if there are MAC users and what their experiences are. I've got both platforms at home. : )

the activity on the forums, and the responses to my inquiry are very refreshing. It becoming evident that no matter what I find for leages OotP is the right choice.

[Bluenoser]

Don't forget, you can also download the Demo of OOTP8 if you like. It has all the features and is only limited by how long you can run it for.

This may be a better option for familiarity reasons.

[ParkBench]

Thanks BruceM, I think i did download, that just haven't pulled the trigger yet. : )