9 Endurance SP averaging 5IP per game

Qrashman · 03-03-2008, 09:59 PM

Player Report for #29 Charles Nava

I have a pitcher that has a 9 endurance and is routinely lifted from the game way too early. I've seen plenty of games where he is taken out in the 4th or 5th inning after giving up just 1 run and one hit.

He's entered the 7th inning only 3 out of 15 starts. In 6 of his last 10 starts he's been pulled BEFORE the 5th inning despite not having bad games. I mean, he does have a 7-3 record with a 2.81 ERA so its not like he's getting shelled.

Any ideas?

edit: his strategy settings are at default

evil homer · 03-03-2008, 10:08 PM

i had this in my online league. the problem is that his position is listed as MR. even though you are starting him, since the position is listed as MR, there is some artificial cap on how much he can pitch in a game. change the position to SP and he will be able to make full use of his 9 in endurance.

Qrashman · 03-03-2008, 10:11 PM

He was on SP for most of the season. I recently changed him to MR to see if it would make a difference.

Syd Thrift · 03-03-2008, 10:21 PM

9 out of what? Also, have you cheated and looked at his actual endurance in the editor?

Qrashman · 03-03-2008, 10:36 PM

I was told he was a low-9. But still, he shouldn't be averaging 5IP with those numbers.

evil homer · 03-03-2008, 10:42 PM

if the scale was 1-20 and not 1-10, then the 5 innings would make sense on a value of 9. also check to see if there is a pitch count set.

Qrashman · 03-03-2008, 10:46 PM

sorry, its a 1-10 scale. No pitch count set. For the time being I've set his hook to VERY slow and I'll see if that does anything.

tysok · 03-04-2008, 12:17 AM

I looked through those last 10 games.

On 6/23 he threw 69 pitches, and only 33 strikes. His last inning he walked 3 (total 5 in the game) and actually walked in a run.

On 6/17 he threw 96 pitches in 5 innings, 64 strikes. Much better, but lots of pitches.

On 6/12 he threw 75 in 6.1 innings, 49 strikes. Again not bad, struggled badly in the 6th though.

On 6/6 he threw 70 pitches in 4 innings, 42 strikes. No idea here, if the game knew that all those foul balls in the 4th were really balls that the batter helped out on maybe.

On 5/26 he threw 117 pitches in 8.2 innings, 79 strikes. Maybe he was still a little tired from this game when he threw the one on 6/6? He was never in trouble in this game until the 8th inning.

On 5/21 he threw 71 in 2.2 innings, 35 strikes. He just didn't have any manner of luck at all in this game.

On 5/16 he threw 69 pitches in 5.1 innings, 45 strikes. No idea on this one at all.

On 5/10 he threw 73 pitches in 2.1 innings, 40 strikes. His 3rd inning sucked, 2 walks (walked in a run), error, and a single.

On 5/5 he threw 69 in 4 innings, 44 strikes. Don't know about this one either, he walked the first batter of the 5th on 5 pitches, but struck out the previous 2 batters easily in the 4th.

Looks like you've got him on a short leash. In some cases he's being pulled with a close game, especially when he starts walking people left and right. In some cases he just sucks.
Always being around that 70 pitch mark is odd, but in several of those cases he does begin to suck at that point. If you look at the other years he was a full time starter he's not far off that mark: in 2021 and 2022 he average 5.2 innings per start, for you in 2026 he's averaging 5.1. So he hasn't changed... I'd guess that his average control and his tendency to get into jams with his walks is the problem.
Setting him up for a slow hook will probably help, and check out your overall strategy setting for the 4th through 6th innings, just to make sure you don't have those set strangely.

RonCo · 03-04-2008, 08:01 AM

He averages 5.2 BB/9 throughout his career. By random chance, he'll be in a lot of situations where he's got lots of runners on base, hence in close games be a candidate to be lifted. Guys with such poor control have difficulty staying in games.

03-03-2008, 09:59 PM	#1
Qrashman All Star Reserve Join Date: Dec 2001 Location: NY Posts: 651	9 Endurance SP averaging 5IP per game Player Report for #29 Charles Nava I have a pitcher that has a 9 endurance and is routinely lifted from the game way too early. I've seen plenty of games where he is taken out in the 4th or 5th inning after giving up just 1 run and one hit. He's entered the 7th inning only 3 out of 15 starts. In 6 of his last 10 starts he's been pulled BEFORE the 5th inning despite not having bad games. I mean, he does have a 7-3 record with a 2.81 ERA so its not like he's getting shelled. Any ideas? edit: his strategy settings are at default __________________ ------------------- Montreal Expos / Calgary Storm, HBL HBL Baseball - Founded March 2001. HBL Waiting List Last edited by Qrashman; 03-03-2008 at 10:03 PM.

03-03-2008, 10:11 PM	#3
Qrashman All Star Reserve Join Date: Dec 2001 Location: NY Posts: 651	He was on SP for most of the season. I recently changed him to MR to see if it would make a difference. __________________ ------------------- Montreal Expos / Calgary Storm, HBL HBL Baseball - Founded March 2001. HBL Waiting List

03-03-2008, 10:36 PM	#5
Qrashman All Star Reserve Join Date: Dec 2001 Location: NY Posts: 651	I was told he was a low-9. But still, he shouldn't be averaging 5IP with those numbers. __________________ ------------------- Montreal Expos / Calgary Storm, HBL HBL Baseball - Founded March 2001. HBL Waiting List

03-03-2008, 10:42 PM	#6
evil homer All Star Reserve Join Date: Dec 2001 Location: staten island, ny Posts: 528	if the scale was 1-20 and not 1-10, then the 5 innings would make sense on a value of 9. also check to see if there is a pitch count set. __________________ d'oh

03-03-2008, 10:46 PM	#7
Qrashman All Star Reserve Join Date: Dec 2001 Location: NY Posts: 651	sorry, its a 1-10 scale. No pitch count set. For the time being I've set his hook to VERY slow and I'll see if that does anything. __________________ ------------------- Montreal Expos / Calgary Storm, HBL HBL Baseball - Founded March 2001. HBL Waiting List

03-03-2008, 10:08 PM	#2
evil homer All Star Reserve Join Date: Dec 2001 Location: staten island, ny Posts: 528	i had this in my online league. the problem is that his position is listed as MR. even though you are starting him, since the position is listed as MR, there is some artificial cap on how much he can pitch in a game. change the position to SP and he will be able to make full use of his 9 in endurance. __________________ d'oh

03-04-2008, 12:17 AM	#8
tysok Hall Of Famer Join Date: Aug 2003 Posts: 4,925	I looked through those last 10 games. On 6/23 he threw 69 pitches, and only 33 strikes. His last inning he walked 3 (total 5 in the game) and actually walked in a run. On 6/17 he threw 96 pitches in 5 innings, 64 strikes. Much better, but lots of pitches. On 6/12 he threw 75 in 6.1 innings, 49 strikes. Again not bad, struggled badly in the 6th though. On 6/6 he threw 70 pitches in 4 innings, 42 strikes. No idea here, if the game knew that all those foul balls in the 4th were really balls that the batter helped out on maybe. On 5/26 he threw 117 pitches in 8.2 innings, 79 strikes. Maybe he was still a little tired from this game when he threw the one on 6/6? He was never in trouble in this game until the 8th inning. On 5/21 he threw 71 in 2.2 innings, 35 strikes. He just didn't have any manner of luck at all in this game. On 5/16 he threw 69 pitches in 5.1 innings, 45 strikes. No idea on this one at all. On 5/10 he threw 73 pitches in 2.1 innings, 40 strikes. His 3rd inning sucked, 2 walks (walked in a run), error, and a single. On 5/5 he threw 69 in 4 innings, 44 strikes. Don't know about this one either, he walked the first batter of the 5th on 5 pitches, but struck out the previous 2 batters easily in the 4th. Looks like you've got him on a short leash. In some cases he's being pulled with a close game, especially when he starts walking people left and right. In some cases he just sucks. Always being around that 70 pitch mark is odd, but in several of those cases he does begin to suck at that point. If you look at the other years he was a full time starter he's not far off that mark: in 2021 and 2022 he average 5.2 innings per start, for you in 2026 he's averaging 5.1. So he hasn't changed... I'd guess that his average control and his tendency to get into jams with his walks is the problem. Setting him up for a slow hook will probably help, and check out your overall strategy setting for the 4th through 6th innings, just to make sure you don't have those set strangely. __________________ I don't know about you, but as for me, the question has already been answered: Should we be here? Yes! Jack Buck, September 17, 2001 It's what you learn after you know it all that counts. I firmly believe that any man's finest hour... is that moment when he has worked his heart out in a good cause and lies exhausted on the field of battle - victorious. (Vince Lombardi) I don't measure a man's success by how high he climbs but how high he bounces when he hits bottom. (George S. Patton)

03-04-2008, 08:01 AM	#9
RonCo Hall Of Famer Join Date: Aug 2003 Posts: 10,395	He averages 5.2 BB/9 throughout his career. By random chance, he'll be in a lot of situations where he's got lots of runners on base, hence in close games be a candidate to be lifted. Guys with such poor control have difficulty staying in games.