The mysterious late-season injury monster

darkcloud4579 · 10-25-2007, 04:38 PM

Has anyone noticed that the game is most certainly coded to cause injuries to players in September and October?

It's predictable because I've seen it for at least the last seven seasons with different teams in the same universe.

Injuries are low. It's cool in the sense that it's "realistic" and yet, it's not, because it's predictable, you know it's going to happen and you just have to figure out "who".

To the point where I might just turn off injuries in the post-season, because it's just...well, a little crappy. Guys don't get hurt in post-season games nearly as much as they do in the season and even then, it's more like one guy per team per season, not a rash of guys in the World Series.

Doctor No · 10-25-2007, 05:08 PM

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Originally Posted by darkcloud4579

Guys don't get hurt in post-season games nearly as much as they do in the season

Do you mean in real life? If you do, then I don't believe it.

darkcloud4579 · 10-25-2007, 05:35 PM

In the game, guys get hurt more in the OOTP post-season than in real life post-season. At least in my small, ridiculous sample size. Maybe it's just happenstance. I just figured I'd post it and see what other people thought or if there were others who could speak to it.

CobaltJays · 10-25-2007, 06:45 PM

I've never noticed this. In my league, I was in 12-13 postseasons and I can only recall 1 or 2 injuries. Nothing out of the ordinary.

darkcloud4579 · 10-25-2007, 08:18 PM

Hmm...interesting. Wonder what it is with my teams. This is good information.

swishbish33 · 10-25-2007, 11:53 PM

I've had 4 or 5 seasons out of 20 or so where 3 or more of my bigtime guys got hurt in September, derailing a World Series run.

rem · 10-26-2007, 12:05 AM

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Originally Posted by swishbish33

I've had 4 or 5 seasons out of 20 or so where 3 or more of my bigtime guys got hurt in September, derailing a World Series run.

Three at once?

OakDragon · 10-26-2007, 12:06 AM

Maybe it has something to do with them tiring out over the season? Do you tend to play them in more games than they're rated for?

ctorg · 10-26-2007, 07:31 AM

I have had more guys get injured late in the season, but I think this is realistic. I do recall something about the game being programmed to injure pitchers more if they pitch while tired a lot.

An interesting bit of research, if anyone knows how to get the data, would be to see what the average number of men placed on the DL is per team per month for the major leagues over the past 10 years or so.

Loeffle · 10-26-2007, 08:03 AM

Also didn't notice anything like this ... I had my last "mayor" injury in august, but even some rookies who played 160 games didn't get injured late in the season.
No injuries in postseason at all ...

Splitter24 · 10-26-2007, 08:11 AM

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Originally Posted by ctorg

I have had more guys get injured late in the season, but I think this is realistic. I do recall something about the game being programmed to injure pitchers more if they pitch while tired a lot.

An interesting bit of research, if anyone knows how to get the data, would be to see what the average number of men placed on the DL is per team per month for the major leagues over the past 10 years or so.

Well, guys don't usually get placed on the DL so much in September. With the expanded rosters, player just hang around until they're ready to play again.

Renner · 10-26-2007, 09:15 AM

I'm up to about 20 seasons on my league and I haven't seen a late-season rash of injuries...a few every now and then, but nothing I can say is predictible.

ctorg · 10-26-2007, 09:19 AM

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Originally Posted by Splitter24

Well, guys don't usually get placed on the DL so much in September. With the expanded rosters, player just hang around until they're ready to play again.

True enough. This doesn't happen in OOTP (the game puts them on the DL anyway), so that would automatically cause a disparity.

Carlton_Willey · 10-26-2007, 09:35 AM

Currently I'm seeing most of my team's injuries early on. My all-star 2B has been injured in spring training three seasons in a row. Misses 7-14 games, then he's back. I think he's malingering.

Never believe an injury code conspiracy theories. Randomly some of us will have this happen. The 42nd law of the internet says these are the folks who will post in a forum. The 53,000 OOTP owners who don't have this 'problem' remain silent, not even breaking away from their games to go on-line.

ctorg · 10-26-2007, 09:43 AM

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Originally Posted by Carlton_Willey

Currently I'm seeing most of my team's injuries early on. My all-star 2B has been injured in spring training three seasons in a row. Misses 7-14 games, then he's back. I think he's malingering.

Never believe an injury code conspiracy theories. Randomly some of us will have this happen. The 42nd law of the internet says these are the folks who will post in a forum. The 53,000 OOTP owners who don't have this 'problem' remain silent, not even breaking away from their games to go on-line.

I'm pretty sure I've read that injury rates were made higher for spring training, which I also think is accurate. That's definitely where most of my big injuries occur. It's only the in-season time where I find more injuries occurring late.

darkcloud4579 · 11-12-2007, 05:22 PM

I don't use spring training as a feature and I'm not even calling it a "conspiracy" theory. I can totally be okay with the fact that it happens to me each year in September and take that for whatever it is.

But my way around it, is also simple. I use the 40-man call-up feature and because of it, I manage to replace the key players in my rotation for that entire month and put expendable rookies who I won't be keeping up in there.

It usually results in one of those random kids getting hurt either in the rotation or the bullpen or somewhere else, saving my stars and making sure that I don't have to deal with some major injury in games that mean nothing.

Maybe that's just smart, real-life team management, I'll take it.

swishbish33 · 11-13-2007, 04:34 AM

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Originally Posted by remangiii

Three at once?

Yeah. Usually I'll lose a couple pitchers and a position player. Maybe it's just a bad run of luck in what is relatively a small sample size...

RonCo · 11-13-2007, 08:04 AM

Data across two test leagues I've looked at don't show indication one way or the other. One league had slightly more injuries in September/October than other months, the other had slightly fewer. Everything I see says the system is essentially random, so variance should happen fairly routinely...in other words you should have runs of 3-5 seasons in a row with more injuries than the normal league about as often as you would flip "heads" on a coin 3-5 times in a row. In other words, such runs would not be unusual. In fact, if they didn't occur, the system would proven to not be random. This behavior also fits the pattern being reported by other managers in this thread.

darkcloud4579 · 11-13-2007, 10:22 AM

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Originally Posted by RonCo

Data across two test leagues I've looked at don't show indication one way or the other. One league had slightly more injuries in September/October than other months, the other had slightly fewer. Everything I see says the system is essentially random, so variance should happen fairly routinely...in other words you should have runs of 3-5 seasons in a row with more injuries than the normal league about as often as you would flip "heads" on a coin 3-5 times in a row. In other words, such runs would not be unusual. In fact, if they didn't occur, the system would proven to not be random. This behavior also fits the pattern being reported by other managers in this thread.

Sounds about right to me. My system of getting around it works well and so, I'm pleased. I've had seasons where it hasn't happened to. But it certainly helps if the team is doing well.

10-25-2007, 04:38 PM	#1
darkcloud4579 Hall Of Famer Join Date: Jun 2003 Posts: 8,712	The mysterious late-season injury monster Has anyone noticed that the game is most certainly coded to cause injuries to players in September and October? It's predictable because I've seen it for at least the last seven seasons with different teams in the same universe. Injuries are low. It's cool in the sense that it's "realistic" and yet, it's not, because it's predictable, you know it's going to happen and you just have to figure out "who". To the point where I might just turn off injuries in the post-season, because it's just...well, a little crappy. Guys don't get hurt in post-season games nearly as much as they do in the season and even then, it's more like one guy per team per season, not a rash of guys in the World Series. __________________ ------ My Mods OOTP Advanced Stats & DFS Suite Managerial Strategy Pack Competitive Balance Tax Calculator Major League Women's Baseball (OOTP24) quickstart Indian Premier League \| 300+ years of baseball quickstart \| Expatriate League quickstart \| Off-Field Injuries Update \| Women's Name File for OOTP \| ---- Dynasty classics: Centurion comes to OOTP5 \| DC Moneyball Dynasty (2004)

10-25-2007, 05:35 PM	#3
darkcloud4579 Hall Of Famer Join Date: Jun 2003 Posts: 8,712	In the game, guys get hurt more in the OOTP post-season than in real life post-season. At least in my small, ridiculous sample size. Maybe it's just happenstance. I just figured I'd post it and see what other people thought or if there were others who could speak to it. __________________ ------ My Mods OOTP Advanced Stats & DFS Suite Managerial Strategy Pack Competitive Balance Tax Calculator Major League Women's Baseball (OOTP24) quickstart Indian Premier League \| 300+ years of baseball quickstart \| Expatriate League quickstart \| Off-Field Injuries Update \| Women's Name File for OOTP \| ---- Dynasty classics: Centurion comes to OOTP5 \| DC Moneyball Dynasty (2004)

10-25-2007, 08:18 PM	#5
darkcloud4579 Hall Of Famer Join Date: Jun 2003 Posts: 8,712	Hmm...interesting. Wonder what it is with my teams. This is good information. __________________ ------ My Mods OOTP Advanced Stats & DFS Suite Managerial Strategy Pack Competitive Balance Tax Calculator Major League Women's Baseball (OOTP24) quickstart Indian Premier League \| 300+ years of baseball quickstart \| Expatriate League quickstart \| Off-Field Injuries Update \| Women's Name File for OOTP \| ---- Dynasty classics: Centurion comes to OOTP5 \| DC Moneyball Dynasty (2004)

10-26-2007, 07:31 AM	#9
ctorg Global Moderator Join Date: Nov 2002 Location: Queens, NY Posts: 9,848	I have had more guys get injured late in the season, but I think this is realistic. I do recall something about the game being programmed to injure pitchers more if they pitch while tired a lot. An interesting bit of research, if anyone knows how to get the data, would be to see what the average number of men placed on the DL is per team per month for the major leagues over the past 10 years or so. __________________ My music "When the trees blow back and forth, that's what makes the wind." - Steven Wright Fjord emena pancreas thorax fornicate marmalade morpheme proteolysis smaxa cabana offal srue vitriol grope hallelujah lentils

10-26-2007, 09:15 AM	#12
Renner Major Leagues Join Date: Jun 2005 Location: Connecticut Posts: 416	I'm up to about 20 seasons on my league and I haven't seen a late-season rash of injuries...a few every now and then, but nothing I can say is predictible. __________________ I drink only distilled water, or rain water, and only pure-grain alcohol.

10-25-2007, 06:45 PM	#4
CobaltJays All Star Reserve Join Date: May 2004 Location: Canada Posts: 706	I've never noticed this. In my league, I was in 12-13 postseasons and I can only recall 1 or 2 injuries. Nothing out of the ordinary.

10-25-2007, 11:53 PM	#6
swishbish33 Minors (Double A) Join Date: Mar 2005 Posts: 117	I've had 4 or 5 seasons out of 20 or so where 3 or more of my bigtime guys got hurt in September, derailing a World Series run.

10-26-2007, 12:06 AM	#8
OakDragon Hall Of Famer Join Date: Feb 2006 Location: San Jose, CA USA Posts: 3,494	Maybe it has something to do with them tiring out over the season? Do you tend to play them in more games than they're rated for?

10-26-2007, 08:03 AM	#10
Loeffle Hall Of Famer Join Date: Jul 2007 Location: Grand Duchy of Baden Posts: 2,043	Also didn't notice anything like this ... I had my last "mayor" injury in august, but even some rookies who played 160 games didn't get injured late in the season. No injuries in postseason at all ...

10-26-2007, 09:35 AM	#14
Carlton_Willey Major Leagues Join Date: Apr 2005 Posts: 354	Currently I'm seeing most of my team's injuries early on. My all-star 2B has been injured in spring training three seasons in a row. Misses 7-14 games, then he's back. I think he's malingering. Never believe an injury code conspiracy theories. Randomly some of us will have this happen. The 42nd law of the internet says these are the folks who will post in a forum. The 53,000 OOTP owners who don't have this 'problem' remain silent, not even breaking away from their games to go on-line.

11-12-2007, 05:22 PM	#16
darkcloud4579 Hall Of Famer Join Date: Jun 2003 Posts: 8,712	I don't use spring training as a feature and I'm not even calling it a "conspiracy" theory. I can totally be okay with the fact that it happens to me each year in September and take that for whatever it is. But my way around it, is also simple. I use the 40-man call-up feature and because of it, I manage to replace the key players in my rotation for that entire month and put expendable rookies who I won't be keeping up in there. It usually results in one of those random kids getting hurt either in the rotation or the bullpen or somewhere else, saving my stars and making sure that I don't have to deal with some major injury in games that mean nothing. Maybe that's just smart, real-life team management, I'll take it. __________________ ------ My Mods OOTP Advanced Stats & DFS Suite Managerial Strategy Pack Competitive Balance Tax Calculator Major League Women's Baseball (OOTP24) quickstart Indian Premier League \| 300+ years of baseball quickstart \| Expatriate League quickstart \| Off-Field Injuries Update \| Women's Name File for OOTP \| ---- Dynasty classics: Centurion comes to OOTP5 \| DC Moneyball Dynasty (2004)

11-13-2007, 08:04 AM	#18
RonCo Hall Of Famer Join Date: Aug 2003 Posts: 10,506	Data across two test leagues I've looked at don't show indication one way or the other. One league had slightly more injuries in September/October than other months, the other had slightly fewer. Everything I see says the system is essentially random, so variance should happen fairly routinely...in other words you should have runs of 3-5 seasons in a row with more injuries than the normal league about as often as you would flip "heads" on a coin 3-5 times in a row. In other words, such runs would not be unusual. In fact, if they didn't occur, the system would proven to not be random. This behavior also fits the pattern being reported by other managers in this thread. Last edited by RonCo; 11-13-2007 at 08:05 AM.