Injury Rating to be gone in 06?

thomamon · 12-19-2005, 11:06 PM

Markus,

Not sure what your planning as far as injury rating, but I would love to see this dissappear. Not that I don't think it should be part of a game, but I think it should be a hidden rating.

So many times you see a guy who is not prone, get injured alot and a guy who is prone never get injured.

Just my

andymac · 12-19-2005, 11:35 PM

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Originally Posted by thomamon

Markus,

Not sure what your planning as far as injury rating, but I would love to see this dissappear. Not that I don't think it should be part of a game, but I think it should be a hidden rating.

So many times you see a guy who is not prone, get injured alot and a guy who is prone never get injured.

Just my

I wouldn't necessarily hide it, but maybe make it not necessarily accurate. So, what you see will depend on how good your scouts & medical staff are.

Something along the lines of a scout seeing something in a pitcher's delivery that he thinks could make him injury prone...or whether a position player takes care of his body by stretching. Your training staff could give you info on how likely injuries that have occurred in the past are likely to become recurring. That kind of thing.

thomamon · 12-19-2005, 11:37 PM

I wouldn't mind that in an e-mail or something. But not the Prone, Normal or Durable rating :-)

boilermaker · 12-20-2005, 12:45 AM

For those who haven't played FM/CM or EHM, injury proneness is just a generic hidden rating, 1-20, 1= never gets injured, 20=Ken Griffey Jr.

Dark Horse · 12-20-2005, 01:15 AM

Yeah, i'd rather be able to see the injury rating. Especially in the draft, scouts can see if a guy is vulnerable to injury. And the way the game does it now, it's not completely accurate. i've seen injury prone players that rarely get injured. And i've seen durable players have horrible luck and constantly get injured.

The only way i'd want hidden injury ratings would be if we actually got to see players develop in high school. That way you'd be able to see an injury history. Then you'd be able to make a decision on whether you want to take a chance on the player.

Faroo6 · 12-20-2005, 02:22 AM

I think a past injury history would be a better approach with some injuries being more prone to raise their head again.

Jermaine Dye - busted leg, been pretty much healthy since he completely recovered.

Griffey - hammy, keeps shredding it.

kq76 · 12-20-2005, 02:45 AM

Is injury proneness something you can predict by watching a player closely? I think it is. So, I want to keep the rating visible.

For those players who never seem to get hurt, but are listed as injury prone, I just take that to mean that scouts predict they'll one day become prone to injuries due to over-excursion, not warming-up before playing, going all out on every play, or whatever. If they're listed as injury prone, but go an entire long career without a bad injury, I just consider them lucky.

I'd be disappointed if they removed or hid this personality from the game.

thomamon · 12-20-2005, 05:23 AM

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Originally Posted by boilermaker

For those who haven't played FM/CM or EHM, injury proneness is just a generic hidden rating, 1-20, 1= never gets injured, 20=Ken Griffey Jr.

I like that idea.

thomamon · 12-20-2005, 05:27 AM

I don't think they should remove the rating, just from being visible as a simple rating. I like the idea of it being in a history where you can say "Hey, this guy has been hurt alot, he's prone". Or an injury report that says "Ken Griffey has been having constant ham string problems since first injuring it three years ago."

When drafting a player, you do have basic ratings such as "Bats, Pull hitter, power hitter..." Usually a person, especially one out of college does not have a rating of being prone or not.

mrbill · 12-20-2005, 06:31 AM

The only issue with the injury history is that is only kept in a text file that is prone to being lost in crashes and such, at least in OOTP 6, and that text file isn't always distributed with online league files for the broadband-impaired.

So, requiring that to tell the injury history of someone without a visible rating would require that injury log for every player NEVER get lost, corrupted or separated from the main league files.

Markus Heinsohn · 12-20-2005, 06:37 AM

Players have a hidden proneness rating for various body parts, which sometimes gets modified when an injury occurs... so when you have a guy that pulls his hamstring, chances are that he is more prone to that injury in the future

Mattymo · 12-20-2005, 08:54 AM

It's kind of like Griffey

andymac · 12-20-2005, 08:58 AM

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Originally Posted by Markus Heinsohn

Players have a hidden proneness rating for various body parts, which sometimes gets modified when an injury occurs... so when you have a guy that pulls his hamstring, chances are that he is more prone to that injury in the future

Sounds good to me.

edddgar · 12-20-2005, 09:21 AM

Can we sign them up for some surgery and have the Hamstring removed or replaced or whatever it was that Edgar Martinez got shortly before he retires (03 or 04 Season)

thomamon · 12-20-2005, 09:26 AM

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Originally Posted by Markus Heinsohn

Players have a hidden proneness rating for various body parts, which sometimes gets modified when an injury occurs... so when you have a guy that pulls his hamstring, chances are that he is more prone to that injury in the future

Wow, that's awesome. So is there a visible prone rating like in OOTP 6 and earlier?

Malleus Dei · 12-20-2005, 09:43 AM

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Originally Posted by Markus Heinsohn

so when you have a guy that pulls his hamstring, chances are that he is more prone to that injury in the future

Hey, that's me in real life!

nestajones · 12-22-2005, 09:26 PM

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Originally Posted by kq76

Is injury proneness something you can predict by watching a player closely? I think it is. So, I want to keep the rating visible.

so you can name me, say, 3 major leaguers who haven't been hurt but are going to get hurt in the next two years? bull****.

this prone/durable labeling is ridiculous. if your scout tells you he thinks the pitcher's motion makes him susceptible to injury, that's one thing. beyond that, prone or durable is what the player's history says he is. if a guy has gotten hurt a lot, he has. if he's played 160 games a year, he's durable. having a "prone" label on a player who plays every day for 10 years because the game's internal dice just haven't rolled his number yet is silly.

thomamon · 12-22-2005, 11:40 PM

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Originally Posted by nestajones

so you can name me, say, 3 major leaguers who haven't been hurt but are going to get hurt in the next two years? bull****.

Whoa Cowboy, calm down. No need to get in such an uproar over it :-)

12-19-2005, 11:06 PM	#1
thomamon Global Moderator Join Date: Sep 2003 Location: NJ Posts: 5,274	Injury Rating to be gone in 06? Markus, Not sure what your planning as far as injury rating, but I would love to see this dissappear. Not that I don't think it should be part of a game, but I think it should be a hidden rating. So many times you see a guy who is not prone, get injured alot and a guy who is prone never get injured. Just my __________________ Thomas A. Montalto Please check out my Stupid Little Blog - http://www.stupidlittleblog.com

12-19-2005, 11:37 PM	#3
thomamon Global Moderator Join Date: Sep 2003 Location: NJ Posts: 5,274	I wouldn't mind that in an e-mail or something. But not the Prone, Normal or Durable rating :-) __________________ Thomas A. Montalto Please check out my Stupid Little Blog - http://www.stupidlittleblog.com

12-20-2005, 01:15 AM	#5
Dark Horse Hall Of Famer Join Date: May 2002 Location: Texas! Posts: 2,633	Yeah, i'd rather be able to see the injury rating. Especially in the draft, scouts can see if a guy is vulnerable to injury. And the way the game does it now, it's not completely accurate. i've seen injury prone players that rarely get injured. And i've seen durable players have horrible luck and constantly get injured. The only way i'd want hidden injury ratings would be if we actually got to see players develop in high school. That way you'd be able to see an injury history. Then you'd be able to make a decision on whether you want to take a chance on the player. __________________ A Justafan Fan LBA Geo Bahn Rock Hounds fan of the ISLANDIAN PRO ALLIANCE

12-20-2005, 02:45 AM	#7
kq76 Global Moderator Join Date: Nov 2002 Posts: 11,700	Is injury proneness something you can predict by watching a player closely? I think it is. So, I want to keep the rating visible. For those players who never seem to get hurt, but are listed as injury prone, I just take that to mean that scouts predict they'll one day become prone to injuries due to over-excursion, not warming-up before playing, going all out on every play, or whatever. If they're listed as injury prone, but go an entire long career without a bad injury, I just consider them lucky. I'd be disappointed if they removed or hid this personality from the game. __________________ My OOTP Wishlist \| My FAQ List OOTP Wiki \| Your Recommended Team Nicknames, By City (A Crowdsourced Project)

12-20-2005, 05:27 AM	#9
thomamon Global Moderator Join Date: Sep 2003 Location: NJ Posts: 5,274	I don't think they should remove the rating, just from being visible as a simple rating. I like the idea of it being in a history where you can say "Hey, this guy has been hurt alot, he's prone". Or an injury report that says "Ken Griffey has been having constant ham string problems since first injuring it three years ago." When drafting a player, you do have basic ratings such as "Bats, Pull hitter, power hitter..." Usually a person, especially one out of college does not have a rating of being prone or not. __________________ Thomas A. Montalto Please check out my Stupid Little Blog - http://www.stupidlittleblog.com

12-20-2005, 12:45 AM	#4
boilermaker All Star Starter Join Date: May 2004 Location: San Jose, CA Posts: 1,956	For those who haven't played FM/CM or EHM, injury proneness is just a generic hidden rating, 1-20, 1= never gets injured, 20=Ken Griffey Jr.

12-20-2005, 06:31 AM	#10
mrbill All Star Reserve Join Date: Jul 2003 Location: LA, CA Posts: 982	The only issue with the injury history is that is only kept in a text file that is prone to being lost in crashes and such, at least in OOTP 6, and that text file isn't always distributed with online league files for the broadband-impaired. So, requiring that to tell the injury history of someone without a visible rating would require that injury log for every player NEVER get lost, corrupted or separated from the main league files. __________________ UBL - Best Online League Evar! - Los Angeles Dodgers: 25 seasons, 13 NL West titles, 4 WC, 8 NL Titles, 5-time Champs LBB v5 league (retired) - Detroit Tigers/Commish: 19 seasons, 18 straight AL Central titles, 2006, 2008, 2014, 2015 Champs! NGBL v6 league (dead) - Texas Rangers: 10 seasons, 4 AL South titles, 2 Wild Cards, one WS app

12-20-2005, 06:37 AM	#11
Markus Heinsohn Developer OOTP Join Date: Dec 2001 Location: Germany Posts: 24,805	Players have a hidden proneness rating for various body parts, which sometimes gets modified when an injury occurs... so when you have a guy that pulls his hamstring, chances are that he is more prone to that injury in the future

12-20-2005, 08:54 AM	#12
Mattymo All Star Starter Join Date: May 2002 Location: Colchester, CT Posts: 1,448	It's kind of like Griffey

12-20-2005, 09:21 AM	#14
edddgar Minors (Triple A) Join Date: Nov 2004 Posts: 254	Can we sign them up for some surgery and have the Hamstring removed or replaced or whatever it was that Edgar Martinez got shortly before he retires (03 or 04 Season)