Congrats White Sox!

MogulChamp · 09-30-2005, 04:58 AM

So...

Where are all the haters now?

Skipaway · 09-30-2005, 05:09 AM

Eating, I guess.

eriqjaffe · 09-30-2005, 05:11 AM

All of the posts in which I was a hater have been mysteriously deleted! It's as if August never happened!

BaseballMan · 09-30-2005, 05:24 AM

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Originally Posted by MogulChamp

So...

Where are all the haters now?

Probably making bets on whether, NYY, BOS, OR LAA will be the team to kick the CHISOX out of the playoffs

Luis_Rivera · 09-30-2005, 05:27 AM

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Originally Posted by MogulChamp

So...

Where are all the haters now?

I still maintain that they're not a very good team. At the very least, not as good as their record.

Urth · 09-30-2005, 05:40 AM

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Probably making bets on whether, NYY, BOS, OR LAA will be the team to kick the CHISOX out of the playoffs

Disgruntled Tribe fan, eh? Well, as the South Siders are used to saying: "There's always next year."

As to who will kick whom from the playoffs, well, that's why they play the games, isn't it? With the prevailing beliefs about how the best teams don't win championships, rather, the hottest teams which happen to slide into the playoffs win championships, well, this seems to be a situation made to order for the Hose. Let's Go Overachieving Ne'er-do-wells!! Damn the numbers, man, we've got (sic) speed and defense!

BaseballMan · 09-30-2005, 09:07 AM

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Disgruntled Tribe fan, eh? Well, as the South Siders are used to saying: "There's always next year."

As to who will kick whom from the playoffs, well, that's why they play the games, isn't it? With the prevailing beliefs about how the best teams don't win championships, rather, the hottest teams which happen to slide into the playoffs win championships, well, this seems to be a situation made to order for the Hose. Let's Go Overachieving Ne'er-do-wells!! Damn the numbers, man, we've got (sic) speed and defense!

To be honest i have no favorite baseball team so i have no hatered for the ChiSox. I actually wouldnt mind if they win. But even though anything can happen, you can still look at the last half the season and see that the Whitesox had trouble scoring runs and have played pretty poorly and going on losing streaks. So going by that i just dont see them getting hot.
Usually teams that get hot in the playoffs have been getting hot during sept.
I dont see that with the CHISOX.

darkcloud4579 · 09-30-2005, 09:08 AM

maybe they'll win this year? Finally?

Urth · 09-30-2005, 09:24 AM

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Originally Posted by BaseballMan

To be honest i have no favorite baseball team so i have no hatered for the ChiSox. I actually wouldnt mind if they win. But even though anything can happen, you can still look at the last half the season and see that the Whitesox had trouble scoring runs and have played pretty poorly and going on losing streaks. So going by that i just dont see them getting hot.
Usually teams that get hot in the playoffs have been getting hot during sept.
I dont see that with the CHISOX.

I'm sorry, I didn't mean to be over glib with my first reply, and I was just taking a shot in the dark about who your team might be. All in good fun. I was just a little giddy with delight, with the Sox breaking their once-per-decade cycle of playoff appearances. As you rightly observed, Chicago's play has been very mediocre for half of this season. Most any other year, the Sox manage to pair a mediocre second half with a horrific first, yielding yet another 80 win season.

As far as hotness goes, well there's still time to get a mini-streak going, right?

JDOldSchool · 09-30-2005, 09:58 AM

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Originally Posted by Luis_Rivera

I still maintain that they're not a very good team. At the very least, not as good as their record.

Their pythagorean record proves that much (89 wins right now). Close analysis of who has done what this season (career years from Garland, Contreras, and others) further proves it.

This is a one-time-only situation for this White Sox team. They better take advantage of it.

BaseballMan · 09-30-2005, 11:46 AM

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Originally Posted by Urth

I'm sorry, I didn't mean to be over glib with my first reply, and I was just taking a shot in the dark about who your team might be. All in good fun. I was just a little giddy with delight, with the Sox breaking their once-per-decade cycle of playoff appearances. As you rightly observed, Chicago's play has been very mediocre for half of this season. Most any other year, the Sox manage to pair a mediocre second half with a horrific first, yielding yet another 80 win season.

As far as hotness goes, well there's still time to get a mini-streak going, right?

Oh yeah theres still time for the Whitesox to get hot but i was just giving my honest impression of them at this point. But even if they dont win the championship, it might help them improve next year. I dont think they are a fluke they just need to get back to what they were doing right in the first half. Doing the basic fundamental things right. I also think they need a better manager. But then that probaly goes without saying.
Still they could win but instead of thinking about hot streaks or miracles, i think they need to concentrate on the basics that they were doing so well in the first half of the season.

TonyJ · 09-30-2005, 11:49 AM

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Originally Posted by BaseballMan

Oh yeah theres still time for the Whitesox to get hot but i was just giving my honest impression of them at this point. But even if they dont win the championship, it might help them improve next year. I dont think they are a fluke they just need to get back to what they were doing right in the first half. Doing the basic fundamental things right. I also think they need a better manager. But then that probaly goes without saying.
Still they could win but instead of thinking about hot streaks or miracles, i think they need to concentrate on the basics that they were doing so well in the first half of the season.

But what they were doing in the first half of the year was getting flukey performances from multiple players. Which is the outlier, Garland's first half or the rest of his career?

Coates · 09-30-2005, 11:52 AM

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Originally Posted by JDOldSchool

Their pythagorean record proves that much (89 wins right now). Close analysis of who has done what this season (career years from Garland, Contreras, and others) further proves it.

This is a one-time-only situation for this White Sox team. They better take advantage of it.

Are you an A's fan or White Sox fan (looks like Rowand/Chavez in your avatar.. though I'm probably wrong).

darkhorse · 09-30-2005, 12:27 PM

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Are you an A's fan or White Sox fan (looks like Rowand/Chavez in your avatar.. though I'm probably wrong).

JD is just a fan in general of non-hitting outfielders.

MogulChamp · 09-30-2005, 12:52 PM

Ahh... the doubters are in force yet again. *waves dismissively*

We all know how teams win in the playoffs. Pitching and Defense. This year's White Sox team is very balanced, and plays great defense. Their pitching is tops among AL playoff teams.

I like our chances. The only team I was worried about was Oakland, and they didn't make it. I see us winning a lot of 1 run ballgames (like we have all season). There is nobody I am worried about, except St. Louis.

darkhorse · 09-30-2005, 01:22 PM

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Originally Posted by MogulChamp

Ahh... the doubters are in force yet again. *waves dismissively*

We all know how teams win in the playoffs. Pitching and Defense. This year's White Sox team is very balanced, and plays great defense and well their pitching is to

What's balanced about depending on pitching and defense?

MogulChamp · 09-30-2005, 01:28 PM

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What's balanced about depending on pitching and defense?

I guess I should proof read before posting. It's fixed now. To answer your question, nothing. But that wasn't what I meant.

darkhorse · 09-30-2005, 01:41 PM

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Originally Posted by MogulChamp

I guess I should proof read before posting. It's fixed now. To answer your question, nothing. But that wasn't what I meant.

Well, I hope you're not under the impression the Pale Hose have a good offense.

MogulChamp · 09-30-2005, 02:02 PM

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Well, I hope you're not under the impression the Pale Hose have a good offense.

No, but I do feel we have an offense that is good enough to win.
By balance, I mean that we can manufacture runs as well as hit the longball.

I've watched over half their games this year, and the last month has not been the same team. Someone (Gammons maybe?) was saying they are very tired.

After these last 3 games vs Cleveland the starters should have a chance to rest, and you will see the team I've watched up until August... Sac bunts, flies, moving runners over, etc. Unfortunately we don't move them over via the walk, but we were getting them in, which is all that mattered.

mlyons · 09-30-2005, 02:20 PM

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No, but I do feel we have an offense that is good enough to win.
By balance, I mean that we can manufacture runs as well as hit the longball.

The thread that I originally brought this up in is gone for good, so I'll make this point again -- the White Sox are horrible at creating runs outside of the longball. It's pretty much the only way they can score at all. In fact, the only team in the AL that has a higher proportion of their run scoring come from the homerun is the Texas Rangers, who can be excused for that since they're damn close to the record for homeruns in a season. Just because their manager talks about "manufacturing runs" doesn't mean they actually do it.

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MogulChamp All Star Reserve Join Date: Aug 2004 Posts: 656	Ahh... the doubters are in force yet again. waves dismissively We all know how teams win in the playoffs. Pitching and Defense. This year's White Sox team is very balanced, and plays great defense. Their pitching is tops among AL playoff teams. I like our chances. The only team I was worried about was Oakland, and they didn't make it. I see us winning a lot of 1 run ballgames (like we have all season). There is nobody I am worried about, except St. Louis. Last edited by MogulChamp; 09-30-2005 at 01:26 PM.