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Amazin69 · 10-24-2022, 01:34 AM

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Déjà Bru · 10-24-2022, 06:30 AM

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Originally Posted by low

Barring a miracle, the Astros being in the World Series guarantees I won't watch one minute of it.

You should, if only to root for Philadelphia.

cephasjames · 10-24-2022, 10:54 AM

I'm okay with whoever wins. I'm not particularly for or against either team. But I get why people are against Houston and/or pro Philly.

Westheim · 10-24-2022, 11:53 AM

I wonder when hating the Astros will become old. I guess Altuve will have to move on.

swoboda · 10-24-2022, 12:13 PM

Phillies in the World Series I did not see that one coming. Astros in the World Series again, cheating scandal will not tar this one if they win.
So I'm going with Astros in six games. They have the trifecta going for them better bullpen, deeper lineup, and motivation =something to prove

Izz · 10-24-2022, 01:16 PM

I hope the Phillies can ride their high a few games longer. They've basically made it to the World Series purely on passion...

WestCoastGuy · 10-24-2022, 01:18 PM

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Originally Posted by Westheim

I wonder when hating the Astros will become old.

I'm a long, long ways from that point. Although much of my hatred is for the MLB office as they were the ones who left people unpunished who should have been punished (players).

Déjà Bru · 10-24-2022, 08:31 PM

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Originally Posted by Westheim

I wonder when hating the Astros will become old. I guess Altuve will have to move on.

With a nod of understanding for what WCG just said, perhaps I am a bellwether in this regard.

Sometime shortly after the playoffs started, and more as they continued to win, I found myself growing tired of hating the Astros, dropping the "*" from their name.

They are that good, there is no denying; it's been five years; and many current Astros were not around then. Plus I admire Dusty Baker, especially for what he faced when he took the helm in Houston.

Oh, I will still root against them because the memory will always be there. But I don't waste emotion and energy anymore in hating them. There's too much hate in general.

WestCoastGuy · 10-24-2022, 08:38 PM

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Originally Posted by Déjà Bru

Oh, I will still root against them because the memory will always be there. But I don't waste emotion and energy anymore in hating them. There's too much hate in general.

This is a good point. This is how I am with MLB as a whole. I don't literally hate MLB for this decision and all of the, in my opinion, horrible decisions that they've made the last few years. I don't waste emotion and energy doing that. I just don't care anymore. I barely follow the present-day version of the sport.

So, my post two posts up shouldn't be taken literally.

pilight · 10-24-2022, 09:14 PM

Astros in five

Déjà Bru · 10-24-2022, 09:22 PM

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Originally Posted by pilight

Astros in five

God, can somebody at least beat them once?

kq76 · 10-24-2022, 09:41 PM

I'm actually thinking Astros in 4.

No team since the Wild Card was brought in has ever run the table. The last team to do it was the Reds in '76 and they only had to go 7-0, which the Astros have already done. I actually wondered this at the beginning of the PS this year, but didn't look it up until now.

thehef · 10-24-2022, 10:17 PM

A few points on the cheatin' Astros...

1. Once all players have moved on, I will still root hard against them because not only did the players go unpunished, but the organization as a whole was aggressively non-repentant. The 2017 title will always be extremely tarnished AFAIC, and other than a small dent in the owner's bank account, the organization from top to bottom was essentially unpunished (thanks to gutless Manfred).

2. A friend pointed out that, yes, he will be rooting against Houston because of the cheating. But he also asked, "how fair is it for a 3rd place team to be in the World Series?" Fair question. My response was "better that an 87-win team make a mockery of the current playoff format than the unpunished cheaters win." That pretty much sums up how I'm approaching this WS...

3. I can only speak for myself, but when I use the word "hate" in relation to sports, it is "fan hate" and not real hate. I don't lose sleep over my "fan hate" of the BlackStros!

Déjà Bru · 10-25-2022, 09:25 AM

I had to comment on this.

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Originally Posted by thehef

A few points on the cheatin' Astros...

1. Once all players have moved on, I will still root hard against them because not only did the players go unpunished, but the organization as a whole was aggressively non-repentant. The 2017 title will always be extremely tarnished AFAIC, and other than a small dent in the owner's bank account, the organization from top to bottom was essentially unpunished (thanks to gutless Manfred).
There are also the Houston fans who celebrated then and since and who remain unpunished, darn them!

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2. A friend pointed out that, yes, he will be rooting against Houston because of the cheating. But he also asked, "how fair is it for a 3rd place team to be in the World Series?" Fair question. My response was "better that an 87-win team make a mockery of the current playoff format than the unpunished cheaters win." That pretty much sums up how I'm approaching this WS...
Plus, the Phillies are loveable underdogs now.

3. I can only speak for myself, but when I use the word "hate" in relation to sports, it is "fan hate" and not real hate. I don't lose sleep over my "fan hate" of the BlackStros!

A useful distinction. Okay, then. I fan hate you, Houston. I absolutely fan hate, fan hate you! Otherwise I am indifferent, so have a nice day.

GeoWar · 10-25-2022, 09:47 AM

Strange how Houston is involved in so much --

Houston and St. Louis .....
Houston a NL expansion team with NY Mets moves to American League .......
Suddenly begins winning .......
Houston Cheats - Trash Cans ? phones ? ???????

The team history from 45's to Astros .

Pelican · 10-25-2022, 10:22 AM

Let’s just say, my son is trying to buy WS tickets in Philly, and asked me what I thought about Game Five, Wednesday. And I said, “not sure there’s going to be a Game Five.” Not sure where I was going there, honestly. The euphoria in Philly is so intense, it is possible to see a Phils’ sweep.

Then reality sets in. In truth, the Phils were very fortunate to draw an overrated and vulnerable St. Louis team in the Wild Card, rather than Milwaukee and their starters. Lucky again to draw the vastly overhyped Braves and not the Mutts and their rotation in the Divisional Round. Truly blessed to dodge the Dodgers in the NLCS.

We were all hoping to play the Yankees in the WS (particularly if they had to win four straight to get in, exhausted…), to avenge 2009 and 1950. That would have been a good competitive grudge match, with former Yank Thomson at the helm in Philly.

Houston has an intimidating lineup and strong pitching; but I would not want to play the Phillies right now. If they can win at least one game in Houston, with Nola and Wheeler, all bets are off in CBP for the tub-bangers. That’s the game plan. Did anyone just say team of destiny?

Déjà Bru · 10-25-2022, 10:34 AM

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Originally Posted by Pelican

Let’s just say, my son is trying to buy WS tickets in Philly, and asked me what I thought about Game Five, Wednesday. And I said, “not sure there’s going to be a Game Five.” Not sure where I was going there, honestly. The euphoria in Philly is so intense, it is possible to see a Phils’ sweep.

Then reality sets in. In truth, the Phils were very fortunate to draw an overrated and vulnerable St. Louis team in the Wild Card, rather than Milwaukee and their starters. Lucky again to draw the vastly overhyped Braves and not the Mutts and their rotation in the Divisional Round. Truly blessed to dodge the Dodgers in the NLCS.

We were all hoping to play the Yankees in the WS (particularly if they had to win four straight to get in, exhausted…), to avenge 2009 and 1950. That would have been a good competitive grudge match, with former Yank Thomson at the helm in Philly.

Houston has an intimidating lineup and strong pitching; but I would not want to play the Phillies right now. If they can win at least one game in Houston, with Nola and Wheeler, all bets are off in CBP for the tub-bangers. That’s the game plan. Did anyone just say team of destiny?

I figure Bryce is hot and he's got to make the difference in at least one game.

pilight · 10-26-2022, 03:02 PM

This will be the first World Series since 1950 with no black players

Westheim · 10-26-2022, 03:26 PM

That very much depends on one's definition of "black".

thehef · 10-26-2022, 05:28 PM

https://sports.yahoo.com/plaschke-lo...181103857.html

Plaschke nails it. 99%, anyway.

As an LA writer, I get how he paints only the Dodgers as the victims of the BlackStros' cheating. I mean, that much was clear, right before our retrospective yes. But even as a Dodger fan, I can absolutely acknowledge that it's not as simple as "the Dodgers would've won if not for Houston's cheating." Rather, at a minimum, the cheating deprived both the Yankees and Dodgers a chance at a World Series title. We could take it further to wonder how much the cheating affected the 2017 AL standings. Perhaps, if they weren't cheating, they win 8 or 10 fewer games and they don't have home field advantage against - or don't even advance to face - either the Red Sox or Yankees. We'll never know...

At any rate, Plaschke nails it best here...

"In the wake of a disgustingly miniscule penalty from Major League Baseball commissioner Rob Manfred, the Astros organization was essentially unpunished and clearly unapologetic."

... and here:

"The franchise kept the trophy. The players kept their rings. Their playoff shares have long been banked. The Astros were fined $5 million and draft picks and they shrugged and kept winning. They beat the system. They beat the rap..."

The 2017 cheating scandal is as much a stain on Manfred as it is the BlackStros. If they win it all this year, the media will likely want to go with the redemption and finally time to move on angles. They shouldn't.

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10-24-2022, 10:54 AM	#123
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10-24-2022, 12:13 PM	#125
swoboda All Star Starter Join Date: Mar 2005 Location: Guarding The Line Posts: 1,220	Phillies in the World Series I did not see that one coming. Astros in the World Series again, cheating scandal will not tar this one if they win. So I'm going with Astros in six games. They have the trifecta going for them better bullpen, deeper lineup, and motivation =something to prove __________________ "...If you want to look ahead to the bottom of the ninth, the Mets will be sending up Buddy Harrelson, Jerry Buchek , and Don Bosch, we'll be right back after this word from Rheingold Beer" The late great Lindsey Nelson

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10-24-2022, 09:41 PM	#132
kq76 Global Moderator Join Date: Nov 2002 Posts: 11,718	I'm actually thinking Astros in 4. No team since the Wild Card was brought in has ever run the table. The last team to do it was the Reds in '76 and they only had to go 7-0, which the Astros have already done. I actually wondered this at the beginning of the PS this year, but didn't look it up until now. __________________ My OOTP Wishlist \| My FAQ List OOTP Wiki \| Your Recommended Team Nicknames, By City (A Crowdsourced Project)

10-24-2022, 10:17 PM	#133
thehef Hall Of Famer Join Date: Jun 2006 Posts: 5,345	A few points on the cheatin' Astros... 1. Once all players have moved on, I will still root hard against them because not only did the players go unpunished, but the organization as a whole was aggressively non-repentant. The 2017 title will always be extremely tarnished AFAIC, and other than a small dent in the owner's bank account, the organization from top to bottom was essentially unpunished (thanks to gutless Manfred). 2. A friend pointed out that, yes, he will be rooting against Houston because of the cheating. But he also asked, "how fair is it for a 3rd place team to be in the World Series?" Fair question. My response was "better that an 87-win team make a mockery of the current playoff format than the unpunished cheaters win." That pretty much sums up how I'm approaching this WS... 3. I can only speak for myself, but when I use the word "hate" in relation to sports, it is "fan hate" and not real hate. I don't lose sleep over my "fan hate" of the BlackStros!

10-25-2022, 09:47 AM	#135
GeoWar All Star Reserve Join Date: Jan 2003 Posts: 849	Strange how Houston is involved in so much -- Houston and St. Louis ..... Houston a NL expansion team with NY Mets moves to American League ....... Suddenly begins winning ....... Houston Cheats - Trash Cans ? phones ? ??????? The team history from 45's to Astros . __________________ Cal. State Fullerton -- NCAA Champion - Baseball 2004 Texas Longhorns -- NCAA Champion - Baseball 2005 Oregon State Beavers -- NCAA Champion - Baseball 2006 and 2007 With unity comes VICTORY !

10-25-2022, 10:22 AM	#136
Pelican Hall Of Famer Join Date: Mar 2021 Location: Wilmington, Delaware Posts: 2,904	World Series Let’s just say, my son is trying to buy WS tickets in Philly, and asked me what I thought about Game Five, Wednesday. And I said, “not sure there’s going to be a Game Five.” Not sure where I was going there, honestly. The euphoria in Philly is so intense, it is possible to see a Phils’ sweep. Then reality sets in. In truth, the Phils were very fortunate to draw an overrated and vulnerable St. Louis team in the Wild Card, rather than Milwaukee and their starters. Lucky again to draw the vastly overhyped Braves and not the Mutts and their rotation in the Divisional Round. Truly blessed to dodge the Dodgers in the NLCS. We were all hoping to play the Yankees in the WS (particularly if they had to win four straight to get in, exhausted…), to avenge 2009 and 1950. That would have been a good competitive grudge match, with former Yank Thomson at the helm in Philly. Houston has an intimidating lineup and strong pitching; but I would not want to play the Phillies right now. If they can win at least one game in Houston, with Nola and Wheeler, all bets are off in CBP for the tub-bangers. That’s the game plan. Did anyone just say team of destiny? __________________ Pelican OOTP 2020-? ”Hard to believe, Harry.”

10-26-2022, 03:02 PM	#138
pilight All Star Starter Join Date: Mar 2003 Location: Where the Action is Posts: 1,964	This will be the first World Series since 1950 with no black players

10-26-2022, 03:26 PM	#139
Westheim Hall Of Famer Join Date: Apr 2012 Location: Germany Posts: 13,332	That very much depends on one's definition of "black". __________________ Portland Raccoons, 90 years of excell-.... of baseball: Furballs here! 1983 * 1989 * 1991 * 1992 * 1993 * 1995 * 1996 * 2010 * 2017 * 2018 * 2019 * 2026 * 2028 * 2035 * 2037 * 2044 * 2045 * 2046 * 2047 * 2048 * 2051 * 2054 * 2055 * 2061 1 OSANAI : 2 POWELL : 7 NOMURA \| RAMOS : 8 REECE : 10 BROWN : 15 HALL : 27 FERNANDEZ : 28 CASAS : 31 CARMONA : 32 WEST : 39 TONER : 46 SAITO Resident Mets Cynic - The Mets from 1962 onwards, here.

10-26-2022, 05:28 PM	#140
thehef Hall Of Famer Join Date: Jun 2006 Posts: 5,345	https://sports.yahoo.com/plaschke-lo...181103857.html Plaschke nails it. 99%, anyway. As an LA writer, I get how he paints only the Dodgers as the victims of the BlackStros' cheating. I mean, that much was clear, right before our retrospective yes. But even as a Dodger fan, I can absolutely acknowledge that it's not as simple as "the Dodgers would've won if not for Houston's cheating." Rather, at a minimum, the cheating deprived both the Yankees and Dodgers a chance at a World Series title. We could take it further to wonder how much the cheating affected the 2017 AL standings. Perhaps, if they weren't cheating, they win 8 or 10 fewer games and they don't have home field advantage against - or don't even advance to face - either the Red Sox or Yankees. We'll never know... At any rate, Plaschke nails it best here... "In the wake of a disgustingly miniscule penalty from Major League Baseball commissioner Rob Manfred, the Astros organization was essentially unpunished and clearly unapologetic." ... and here: "The franchise kept the trophy. The players kept their rings. Their playoff shares have long been banked. The Astros were fined $5 million and draft picks and they shrugged and kept winning. They beat the system. They beat the rap..." The 2017 cheating scandal is as much a stain on Manfred as it is the BlackStros. If they win it all this year, the media will likely want to go with the redemption and finally time to move on angles. They shouldn't.