MLB should embrace OOTP - Page 6

Cryomaniac · 05-25-2014, 07:40 AM

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Originally Posted by Tekneek

Seems like I can remember a time when the players did not have real names either. I am not completely sure about that one.

I can't remember which was the first to include real rosters, but I think it was OOTP 9?

tcblcommish · 05-25-2014, 09:00 AM

This is one of the more entertaining threads I have read lately. Markus and company must sit back and just laugh.

If they make Markus change the game, he simply doesn't use the team nicknames and logos and they have to be changed. If he isn't allowed to use them, someone makes a roster pack or another all in one job that people download.

I just don't get the venom here. Saying baseball is being killed by mlb is such a bizarre thing to post to me. Maybe I'm blind to everything financial but baseball seems to be making boatloads of money, players are retatrdedly rich, things like the world baseball classic is thriving, the homerun derby and all star games are doing great, playoffs are as always great and hell, even the little league world series is doing great. How exactly is baseball dying?

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Cryomaniac · 05-25-2014, 09:58 AM

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Originally Posted by tcblcommish

If they make Markus change the game, he simply doesn't use the team nicknames and logos and they have to be changed. If he isn't allowed to use them, someone makes a roster pack or another all in one job that people download.

The worry though is that without being able to advertise having real MLB teams it will affect sales.

05-25-2014, 11:07 AM

And NBA commentators complain that NBA Finals don't get such public attention and such coverage as MLB World Series. (Don't remember where have read it, maybe in Bill Simmons book)

Bagpipes5 · 05-25-2014, 05:35 PM

I see both sides here and it has been interesting to read all the comments. I don't want to pick sides but I will be glad when Bud Selig is gone (esp. as an Astros fan).

One way MLB is ruining baseball:
Instant replay - which was instituted this year - infuriates some baseball purists. The first widely accepted rules of the game were the Knickerbocker Rules which were written in 1845. In those rules, Rule 17 states - All disputes and differences relative to the game, to be decided by the Umpire, from which there is no appeal. Believe it or not this rule still exists today, Rule 9.02. For 150+ years the umpires have been unflappable. Now for the first time in the history of the game they can be overturned (even if it is technically other umps off-site overturning them).

As far as sports in general, there seems to be a war of attrition with sports games right now. I grew up playing Tecmo Bowl and Earl Weaver or Tony LaRussa Baseball. Fully-licensed games that stood out and played out their life span without any interference. Then there are games like NCAA Football, MVP Baseball, 2K Sports MLB Baseball and so on. Enjoyable games that ultimately died for licensing reasons. I think there has to be a fine line drawn between protecting your intellectual property and being greedy. I'm not sure what the case here is in OOTP-land in their dealings with MLB but in general we are seemingly erring on the side of greed since the millenia turned.

Tekneek · 05-25-2014, 06:05 PM

I love replay. We have the technology to get the calls right, so why not use it? I don't buy the whole "human error is part of the game" thing at all. A lot of diseases were a part of life at one time also, but we can use vaccines now. Replay does not hurt the game. It can only make it better by getting it right.

Bagpipes5 · 05-25-2014, 06:17 PM

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Originally Posted by Tekneek

I love replay. We have the technology to get the calls right, so why not use it? I don't buy the whole "human error is part of the game" thing at all. A lot of diseases were a part of life at one time also, but we can use vaccines now. Replay does not hurt the game. It can only make it better by getting it right.

A disease is far more serious than a baseball call. Baseball is a game. Also, the 'human error is part of the game' has seemingly worked well for a very long time, umpires are impartial and have always been the final say-so. What was broke and why are they trying to 'fix' it? While I'm not saying instant replay couldn't be beneficial in the future, it's current implementation is not so good. It will have to go through growing pains. A counter-argument would be: Why not just replace umpires with robots?

RchW · 05-25-2014, 06:20 PM

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Originally Posted by Bagpipes5

A counter-argument would be: Why not just replace umpires with robots?

Easiest counter argument ever. We don't have that technology. If we did it wouldn't be used in Baseball.

Bagpipes5 · 05-25-2014, 06:22 PM

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Originally Posted by RchW

Easiest counter argument ever. We don't have that technology. If we did it wouldn't be used in Baseball.

Ok, how about pull the umpires off the field and just have them analyze pitches and plays from the booth using computer software. -Or- Just have all games monitored and called by the MLB Umpire Center in an off-site location. Neither is practical, the game doesn't need any change. If it isn't broken, why try to fix it.

Honorable_Pawn · 05-25-2014, 06:31 PM

I thought this thread got closed or it's exact equivalent in content, at least.

Tekneek · 05-25-2014, 06:36 PM

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Originally Posted by Bagpipes5

Ok, how about pull the umpires off the field and just have them analyze pitches and plays from the booth using computer software. -Or- Just have all games monitored and called by the MLB Umpire Center in an off-site location. Neither is practical, the game doesn't need any change. If it isn't broken, why try to fix it.

So we have the technology to get more calls correct, but we should not use it because we weren't using it before? This is such an odd argument. The players are using training techniques, uniform materials, shoe designs, bats, etc, that were not available to players 100 years ago. Why let that happen? We should all pretend like nothing has advanced beyond the early days of baseball? You don't unwind progress or pretend it does not exist. You incorporate it where it can make things better.

It never occurred to me that there were people who actually wanted bad calls in the game.

Bagpipes5 · 05-25-2014, 06:56 PM

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Originally Posted by Tekneek

So we have the technology to get more calls correct, but we should not use it because we weren't using it before? This is such an odd argument. The players are using training techniques, uniform materials, shoe designs, bats, etc, that were not available to players 100 years ago. Why let that happen? We should all pretend like nothing has advanced beyond the early days of baseball? You don't unwind progress or pretend it does not exist. You incorporate it where it can make things better.

It never occurred to me that there were people who actually wanted bad calls in the game.

And the rest of the baseball world enjoys training techniques, shoes, uniform and all the other frivolities you've described. I should also point out that none of these things you've listed are needed to play baseball, just as instant replay is not needed, which is why I say they are frivolities. Where does instant replay in MLB leave the rest of the baseball world that cannot afford the technology? Should they suffer because MLB thinks they are advancing the game? The rules of baseball are pretty universal, which is why most baseball purists also absolutely can't stand aluminum/ceramic bats. Actually most leagues around me are slowly becoming wood bat leagues if they weren't already. Think big picture, think long-term past and future. MLB adding instant replay this year is a tactic to steal NFL fans and I am willing to bet it will be gone in a few years.

Honorable_Pawn · 05-25-2014, 06:56 PM

This thread is so off topic and hijacked that it does not need to be in the main forum. What does this have to do with OOTP?

Can a moderator put this where it belongs?

Bagpipes5 · 05-25-2014, 07:09 PM

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Originally Posted by Honorable_Pawn

What does this have to do with OOTP?

Perhaps this is a good question to ask yourself.

megamanmatt · 05-25-2014, 09:27 PM

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Originally Posted by Honorable_Pawn

This thread is so off topic and hijacked that it does not need to be in the main forum. What does this have to do with OOTP?

Can a moderator put this where it belongs?

+1 for trying to be the voice of reason in an unreasonable situation.

Bagpipes5 · 05-25-2014, 09:45 PM

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Originally Posted by megamanmatt

+1 for trying to be the voice of reason in an unreasonable situation.

Are you trying to say the board has been something like this lately?

The Wolf · 05-25-2014, 10:18 PM

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Originally Posted by Honorable_Pawn

This thread is so off topic and hijacked that it does not need to be in the main forum. What does this have to do with OOTP? Can a moderator put this where it belongs?

Where it belongs? Moderators don't have that much authority. Or range.

You're right, though. This thread should be closed.

05-25-2014, 05:35 PM	#105
Bagpipes5 All Star Reserve Join Date: Dec 2001 Location: TX Posts: 511	I see both sides here and it has been interesting to read all the comments. I don't want to pick sides but I will be glad when Bud Selig is gone (esp. as an Astros fan). One way MLB is ruining baseball: Instant replay - which was instituted this year - infuriates some baseball purists. The first widely accepted rules of the game were the Knickerbocker Rules which were written in 1845. In those rules, Rule 17 states - All disputes and differences relative to the game, to be decided by the Umpire, from which there is no appeal. Believe it or not this rule still exists today, Rule 9.02. For 150+ years the umpires have been unflappable. Now for the first time in the history of the game they can be overturned (even if it is technically other umps off-site overturning them). As far as sports in general, there seems to be a war of attrition with sports games right now. I grew up playing Tecmo Bowl and Earl Weaver or Tony LaRussa Baseball. Fully-licensed games that stood out and played out their life span without any interference. Then there are games like NCAA Football, MVP Baseball, 2K Sports MLB Baseball and so on. Enjoyable games that ultimately died for licensing reasons. I think there has to be a fine line drawn between protecting your intellectual property and being greedy. I'm not sure what the case here is in OOTP-land in their dealings with MLB but in general we are seemingly erring on the side of greed since the millenia turned. Last edited by Bagpipes5; 05-25-2014 at 05:43 PM. Reason: fixed a typo or 2

05-25-2014, 06:31 PM	#110
Honorable_Pawn Hall Of Famer Join Date: Mar 2008 Location: Tampa Bay Posts: 6,407	I thought this thread got closed or it's exact equivalent in content, at least. __________________ PBA Quickstart for OOTP Background Images Collection All PBA games broadcast live on Steam. Last edited by Honorable_Pawn; 05-25-2014 at 06:55 PM.

05-25-2014, 06:56 PM	#113
Honorable_Pawn Hall Of Famer Join Date: Mar 2008 Location: Tampa Bay Posts: 6,407	This thread is so off topic and hijacked that it does not need to be in the main forum. What does this have to do with OOTP? Can a moderator put this where it belongs? __________________ PBA Quickstart for OOTP Background Images Collection All PBA games broadcast live on Steam.

05-25-2014, 09:00 AM	#102
tcblcommish Hall Of Famer Join Date: Mar 2002 Location: Canada Posts: 3,444	This is one of the more entertaining threads I have read lately. Markus and company must sit back and just laugh. If they make Markus change the game, he simply doesn't use the team nicknames and logos and they have to be changed. If he isn't allowed to use them, someone makes a roster pack or another all in one job that people download. I just don't get the venom here. Saying baseball is being killed by mlb is such a bizarre thing to post to me. Maybe I'm blind to everything financial but baseball seems to be making boatloads of money, players are retatrdedly rich, things like the world baseball classic is thriving, the homerun derby and all star games are doing great, playoffs are as always great and hell, even the little league world series is doing great. How exactly is baseball dying? Sent from my HTC One using Tapatalk

05-25-2014, 11:07 AM	#104
dmytron Guest Posts: n/a	And NBA commentators complain that NBA Finals don't get such public attention and such coverage as MLB World Series. (Don't remember where have read it, maybe in Bill Simmons book)

05-25-2014, 06:05 PM	#106
Tekneek Major Leagues Join Date: Mar 2002 Location: GA, USA Posts: 455	I love replay. We have the technology to get the calls right, so why not use it? I don't buy the whole "human error is part of the game" thing at all. A lot of diseases were a part of life at one time also, but we can use vaccines now. Replay does not hurt the game. It can only make it better by getting it right.