First OOTP 11 Screenshots!

[fantom1979]

Originally Posted by Markus Heinsohn

I hope you're kidding.

Just look at the monster you have created

[Cryomaniac]

Originally Posted by Markus Heinsohn

I hope you're kidding.

I wasn't particularly. I think my poll shows that there is some disagreement about which is best, so the answer is an option.

Obviously if it's a stupid amount of work then don't worry about it.

[rdomico]

Originally Posted by Markus Heinsohn

I hope you're kidding.

If people have time to argue about unimportant things like .5 vs 1/2 ,then the game must be pretty good.

[Vinny P.]

Originally Posted by Markus Heinsohn

Like this?

AHH!

That's a lot better looking now!

That was a great eye there LGO. I especially like the small 1/2 symbols. It does, indeed, look much cleaner, and more elegant.

Now, perhaps adding alternating shade of lighter and darker gray for each row? It doesn;t have to be terribly obvious, but just enough for the eye to take in the data at a glance much easier.

[Vinny P.]

Originally Posted by Markus Heinsohn

Well, I disagree I prefer less changing backgrounds... it makes the whole screen easier on the eyes IMO.

I agree, the Title Rows are fine. I would just add perhaps a subtle alternating light and dark gray for each team row, to make it easier to glance at, and absorb the data.

[Vinny P.]

Originally Posted by Markus Heinsohn

I hope you're kidding.

I thought the exact same thing when I read that!

the 1/2 is fine. No need to make .5 optional. Jeez!

[Markus Heinsohn]

Originally Posted by Nihilianth

I agree, the Title Tows are fine. I would just add perhaps a subtle alternating light and dark gray for each team row, to make it easier to glance at, and absorb the data.

No, we removed that on purpose (cluttered the screen) and added the mouse-over-row-highlighting instead

[MorseMoose]

In the Standings Screen Shot, why is the SL1 Division 1 background blue? I couldn't imagine it's the mouseover effect since the mouse is down on a team.

[pstrickert]

Originally Posted by Nihilianth

AHH!

That's a lot better looking now!

That was a great eye there LGO. I especially like the small 1/2 symbols. It does, indeed, look much cleaner, and more elegant.

Now, perhaps adding alternating shade of lighter and darker gray for each row? It doesn;t have to be terribly obvious, but just enough for the eye to take in the data at a glance much easier.

LGO certainly does have a fine eye for detail. Plus, the 1/2 symbol looks better than I ever imagined. Very nice!

[Vinny P.]

Originally Posted by Markus Heinsohn

No, we removed that on purpose (cluttered the screen) and added the mouse-over-row-highlighting instead

Ah, ok. As a speed reader, I liked it there personally. I can just look at the entire screen, and quickly divide it up visually much easier.

But as an overall design, it does kind of give it a more "cluttered" look. I was thinking in terms of my own personal practicality of the matter.

[BusterKing]

Darn. Markus, you have done it again. Another OOTP pre-ordering coming up.


I like this new display a lot:

"We have added a few useful notes, for example when there are interesting players available on the trading block or waiver wire, or when certain staff positions are not occupied in your organization."


Any changes to the widget?


And that new 1/2 standing display is so much better. Like it should really be.

[kq76]

Originally Posted by MorseMoose

In the Standings Screen Shot, why is the SL1 Division 1 background blue? I couldn't imagine it's the mouseover effect since the mouse is down on a team.

I was just going to say, if Markus is so against different background colours then the title row shouldn't have one either. I understand the title rows of the other tables have a different background color too, but it looks odd with this one where one div row has a background color and others don't.

At least give SL2 the blue background so it breaks up the two sub leagues.

EDIT: I can't believe we're arguing over halves and title row backgrounds.

[Markus Heinsohn]

Originally Posted by kq76

I was just going to say, if Markus is so against different background colours then the title row shouldn't have one either. I understand the title rows of the other tables have a different background color too, but it looks odd with this one where one div row has a background color and others don't.

At least give SL2 the blue background so it breaks up the two sub leagues.

EDIT: I can't believe we're arguing over halves and title row backgrounds.

I'll take care of this

[MorseMoose]

Originally Posted by Markus Heinsohn

I'll take care of this

Did I report the first OOTP 11 bug?

[kq76]

Originally Posted by Markus Heinsohn

I'll take care of this

I suppose you mean the breaking up of the two leagues. Thanks, but this was only a minor problem IMO. Now that I think about it...

Originally Posted by Markus Heinsohn

No, we removed that on purpose (cluttered the screen) and added the mouse-over-row-highlighting instead

I think you've made an even more serious mistake in taking away the alternating row backgrounds. Yes, at first glance it sounds like you have a point that mouse-over highlighting is better and it is, but you should probably think getting rid of the alternating over again. How many times when you're glancing at something do you want to be mousing over it at the same time? I was just looking at my online leagues transaction log (for releases) and I thought, geez, this would be a serious pain in the ass if the alternating row colors weren't here. Something like the draft report where a lot of space separates the left and right rows would make it so difficult to read it wouldn't be worth even trying. Nih has an excellent point, when you're speed-reading the alternating row colors guide really helps you pick up info fast. When you're taking a long hard look at one row of data then yes, mouse-over highlighting is awesome, but when you're scanning a lot of data fast, even just a very slight change in the row background color makes it so much easier.

I can't say I care too much about the standings screen in particular, but I sure hope that for most stuff you keep the alternating row colors, even if they're only a very slight change in color. Don't get rid of the mouse-over effect (well, I'd consider changing it to a color that stands out more, the background or the text, like spreadsheets do it), but keep the alternating background colors.

Here's an idea, program in a different color id for the alternating rows and if you really want to have no difference in your default then have both ids that same color. Then for those of us who really want alternating row colors we can just change the color associated with one of the ids. Problem solved and everyone's happy!

[Markus Heinsohn]

Originally Posted by kq76

I think you've made an even more serious mistake in taking away the alternating row backgrounds.

HTML reports still have the alternating color in tables.

Regarding the other screens, I will consider making it an option.

[fantom1979]

Originally Posted by Markus Heinsohn

HTML reports still have the alternating color in tables.

Regarding the other screens, I will consider making it an option.

[Never Forget '04]

Any chance we can get a sneak peek of the draft negotiation page in the newest screeny?

[Le Grande Orange]

Originally Posted by Markus Heinsohn

Like this?

Much better, yes. Isn't it interesting how small changes can have a large effect on the look of something?

If I am being really nitpicky (and I am when it comes to typography/design items—sorry can't help myself!), I might add just a touch more space. Either that, or add a highlight behind the header rows. It doesn't have to be a strong colour, even just a subtle shading can work wonders.

Originally Posted by Nihilianth

AThat was a great eye there LGO. I especially like the small 1/2 symbols. It does, indeed, look much cleaner, and more elegant.

Only one thing 'wrong' in your mockup: the GB shouldn't be right aligned including the ½; the ½ ought to be in a 'column' of its own. Like this:

01
02½
10
13½

I expect this can't be done with normal column alignment commands, which are usually just left, centre, right, and decimal point. It could be done by giving the ½ part of the GB its own column. The whole number GB is right aligned; the ½ column is immediately to the right of it, but is blank unless the GB ends in a half, in which case the ½ is displayed in the column.

[ShaneCarson]

Originally Posted by Markus Heinsohn

I hope you're kidding.

I would like a third option to display them as text, ie, "sixty-seven and one half." Thanks.