Competitive balance discussion

[Kushiel]

Originally Posted by ThrownOutAtHome

Kush:
You are another who posts without reading.

I stated I would of invested 200 but after seeing my FAKE and believe me it is a FAKE team competition I will never invest a penny.

I did not spend a single dime but planned on putting aside a couple a hundred per year for extra fun...but WTF is 200 gonna do against a team loaded with hall of famers and future hall of famers...pure BS...

I read your post and your statement that you were going to spend $200. I stated that I have spent money, but not the $200 you claim that you were willing to spend and I am competitive having spent less than your supposed willingness to spend. I call BS that you were honestly ever going to spend any. I believe that you seen one of top stacked teams and blew a fuse. Then you come here blowing all this smoke about what you were going to spend trying to snag Markus' attention that now you will not spend it. This is typical behavior from people that are jealous of other's teams. Here is my team built on much less than your fake $200. My team is built on a combination of opening packs and selling and buying on the AH. It takes a lot of work. But I work at my team; I do not come crying to everybody and screaming that I am taking my ball ($200) and going home. When I see a better team. I do not care how they built their team. I want to beat them. Here are my Fightin' Frogs, Fear them!

[One Post Wonder]

Originally Posted by Kushiel

Here is my team built on much less than your fake $200. My team is built on a combination of opening packs and selling and buying on the AH. It takes a lot of work.

Yeah, but your team is horse****.

[Kushiel]

Originally Posted by One Post Wonder

Yeah, but your team is horse****.

Thank you very much for your opinion. All critiques are welcome. We are not a finished product. Some day we hope to be a rose garden instead of what you called us

[stl jason]

Originally Posted by Kushiel

Thank you very much for your opinion. All critiques are welcome. We are not a finished product. Some day we hope to be a rose garden instead of what you called us

and as everyone knows, to grow a good rose garden, you need a nice base of manure...

[Kushiel]

Originally Posted by stl jason

and as everyone knows, to grow a good rose garden, you need a nice base of manure...

And for 49 years my lovely wife has been telling me that I am full of it!

[Maddox]

Originally Posted by Zephaerus

My man, I basically just wrote a 1200-word essay about how it's fun and what its possible consequences are. I can see where the problems might be, but I don't think they're certain, objectively bad, or can easily be worked out with common sense. I'm not trying to be cheeky here. I get that I'm not going to convince you otherwise, and I can tell that you've got some serious conviction in your decision. But I think the topic is worth more than a two-sentence reply saying no and a condescending follow-up telling me to use common sense, and I'd feel a lot better if I understood your reasoning.

I am not sure how you could see the meatball team with all position players on the pitching staff as anything other than an exploit.


There is a post on reddit right now where someone won at least 17,000 PP (I am guessing more) on a single game. Just because it does not benefit the person who created the meatball team doesn't mean it still is not an exploit.

[DonkeyKongSr]

Originally Posted by Maddox

I am not sure how you could see the meatball with all position players on the pitching staff as anything other than an exploit.


There is a post on reddit right now where someone won at least 17,000 PP (I am guessing more) on a single game. Just because it does not benefit the person who created the meatball team doesn't mean it still is not an exploit.

During the beta, 2 of my teams ended up in the same league. I tried out meatballing one team vs. the other for the last 2 series of the year. In one game, I earned nearly 40,000 points (I think it was 65-1 final score and I hit about 10 gold achievements). Between the 6 games, I'm guessing it was an easy 75,000 point gain and I wasn't even optimally meatballed.

Essentially a meatball team is handing out $20-$50 in PP every series to their opponents. That's not just minorly screwing with the game economy, it's completely throwing it out of whack, even more than whales are.

[waylander]

Originally Posted by Kushiel

I read your post and your statement that you were going to spend $200. I stated that I have spent money, but not the $200 you claim that you were willing to spend and I am competitive having spent less than your supposed willingness to spend. I call BS that you were honestly ever going to spend any. I believe that you seen one of top stacked teams and blew a fuse. Then you come here blowing all this smoke about what you were going to spend trying to snag Markus' attention that now you will not spend it. This is typical behavior from people that are jealous of other's teams. Here is my team built on much less than your fake $200. My team is built on a combination of opening packs and selling and buying on the AH. It takes a lot of work. But I work at my team; I do not come crying to everybody and screaming that I am taking my ball ($200) and going home. When I see a better team. I do not care how they built their team. I want to beat them. Here are my Fightin' Frogs, Fear them!

You can create one hell of a team with 200 bucks... You can create a really good team with a lot less too...

[zrog2000]

Originally Posted by T.J. Lauerman

All of the guys Dipoto is trading for have contracts that end after 2020.

Who else's contract ends after 2020? Mike Trout.

Trout to the M's CONFIRMED!

Mookie is also a free agent after 2020. Yikes.

[zrog2000]

Originally Posted by Maddox

I am not sure how you could see the meatball team with all position players on the pitching staff as anything other than an exploit.


There is a post on reddit right now where someone won at least 17,000 PP (I am guessing more) on a single game. Just because it does not benefit the person who created the meatball team doesn't mean it still is not an exploit.

If a team in MLB did anything close to this (purely hypothetical because they wouldn't), MLB would step in and take the team away from the owner, fire everyone and run it themselves until a new owner was found. They will not stand for a team which is basically doing everything but forfeiting games to lose.

[DonkeyKongSr]

My ~40K PP self-meatball. Even some real pitchers made it in for my meatball team because I didn't quite "optimize" properly. Plus, I just did this with my current lineup instead of seeking out the elite meatballers. This should be enough to answer the question of why meatballing should be banned:

[Matt Arnold]

Originally Posted by DonkeyKongSr

My ~40K PP self-meatball. Even some real pitchers made it in for my meatball team because I didn't quite "optimize" properly. Plus, I just did this with my current lineup instead of seeking out the elite meatballers. This should be enough to answer the question of why meatballing should be banned:

I like how you scored 65 runs on 33 hits, yet only had 1 HR in the game.

[DonkeyKongSr]

Originally Posted by Matt Arnold

I like how you scored 65 runs on 33 hits, yet only had 1 HR in the game.

Ultimate small ball.

[Zephaerus]

In my experience, there were very few HRs given up by my position players. Even in the worst of games, you'd see 50 runs and at most, 5 HRs. It's a little odd.

[Fyrestorm3]

Awwww I missed all the fun...

Originally Posted by ThrownOutAtHome

Spleen:

And obviously you are a still a douche bag IRL. BTW maybe you should clean your cookies once in a while and stop looking at so much kinky porn.

Have a nice day douche bag!

This was so unintentionally hilarious though. Spleen, you dirty, dirty boy!

[Whoofe]

Originally Posted by DonkeyKongSr

My ~40K PP self-meatball. Even some real pitchers made it in for my meatball team because I didn't quite "optimize" properly. Plus, I just did this with my current lineup instead of seeking out the elite meatballers. This should be enough to answer the question of why meatballing should be banned:

normally 16 LOB would be considered poor clutch hitting....

[mess]

I love that we're bringing up the meatball teams.

I had a good laugh during my entry pool when I came across "Position Players Lobbing Meatballs"

[One Post Wonder]

Originally Posted by Maddox

There is a post on reddit right now where someone won at least 17,000 PP (I am guessing more) on a single game. Just because it does not benefit the person who created the meatball team doesn't mean it still is not an exploit.

Eventually every single one of you (not specifically you Maddox, but you gave me the best quote) is going to come around to my side and agree that rewards need to be scaled by level.

A meatball team will only work in a crap league because low/mid-level sluggers playing out of position don't hit any better than good players who can actually play the position they're listed at.

And so many people keep insist that this kind of cheating (meatballing/sandbagging) won't pay off. 17,000 pp is more than I've earned in the entire beta and real game combined, and I've generally fielded a good team that's earned a fair bit of money.

4 games like that in a season and the guy gets the same amount as a player who had spent $50 on pp. How will that look to people who have spent real money?

The only way to prevent stuff like this is to make it unrewarding. Policing it is a potential nightmare. Not only is it hard to determine where the line is, but developers doing manual reviews of PT teams is a poor use of their time IMHO.

I know most of you still don't agree with this concept, so there's no need to start. But a few more posts like the OP's and you'll come around.

[Kushiel]

All they have to do to police it is flag when a position player pitches. The AI will not put a position player on the mound unless maybe you have used up all your pitchers. When a position players starts on the mound in a game a big red flag can go up in the code and "Bam! You are busted and hopefully banned.

[Orcin]

Originally Posted by One Post Wonder

Eventually every single one of you (not specifically you Maddox, but you gave me the best quote) is going to come around to my side and agree that rewards need to be scaled by level.

Not a chance. You see, my opinions don't sway back and forth depending upon which way the wind blows today. This was a bad idea before, it's still a bad idea, and it will always be a bad idea.