2006 Blue Jays Thread: Quest for the Playoffs! - Page 23

JDOldSchool · 08-21-2006, 08:15 PM

Why does Gibbons get into (or nearly get into) physical altercations with his players?

I'm surprised he yanked Lilly, and apparently, so is Lilly.

RchW · 08-21-2006, 08:16 PM

Uh oh, Gibbons goes to take out Lilly who was coughing up an 8-run lead. Lilly shows him up on the mound.

After Gibbons went back to the dugout, there was an apparent scuffle in the stairs behind the dugout. Lilly is such a jerk, but Gibbons looks like he has lost the respect of his players.

The ship is sinking... ...

RchW · 08-21-2006, 08:18 PM

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Originally Posted by JDOldSchool

Why does Gibbons get into (or nearly get into) physical altercations with his players?

I'm surprised he yanked Lilly, and apparently, so is Lilly.

Rule number one in every baseball team, don't show your manager up. Lilly was out of line.

FWIW Gibbons is probably toast too.

JDOldSchool · 08-21-2006, 08:23 PM

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Originally Posted by RchW

Rule number one in every baseball team, don't show your manager up. Lilly was out of line.

FWIW Gibbons is probably toast too.

Oh, I didn't mean to imply that Lilly was right to do what he did on the mound. I'm not sure what happened in the tunnel. All I'm commenting on is that this is now multiple players who seemingly have had fights or near fights with the manager. To me that means the manager is either a bit of a hothead or he's completely lost control of his team.

I'm totally speculating, though. I don't follow the Blue Jays closely.

RchW · 08-21-2006, 08:36 PM

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Originally Posted by JDOldSchool

Oh, I didn't mean to imply that Lilly was right to do what he did on the mound. I'm not sure what happened in the tunnel. All I'm commenting on is that this is now multiple players who seemingly have had fights or near fights with the manager. To me that means the manager is either a bit of a hothead or he's completely lost control of his team.

I'm totally speculating, though. I don't follow the Blue Jays closely.

I think you are right. I like Gibbons but he seems to have alienated his players.

Khan · 08-21-2006, 08:39 PM

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Originally Posted by JDOldSchool

Why does Gibbons get into (or nearly get into) physical altercations with his players?

I'm surprised he yanked Lilly, and apparently, so is Lilly.

You're surprised he took him out?

After giving up 5 runs with none out, then letting two more get on with one out?

I would've taken him out too.

If Lilly's pissed, he should be at himself.

That being said, I don't disagree about Gibbons. I'm really starting to think he may have to go.

canadiancreed · 08-21-2006, 08:47 PM

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Originally Posted by Khan

You're surprised he took him out?

After giving up 5 runs with none out, then letting two more get on with one out?

I would've taken him out too.

If Lilly's pissed, he should be at himself.

That being said, I don't disagree about Gibbons. I'm really starting to think he may have to go.

why for some reason am I getting flashbacks of 1988 with Jimy Williams losing it and Lily=Jimmy Key? Lily reminds me of him in so many ways....eept I dont' know if ily is a leftie or not.

JDOldSchool · 08-21-2006, 08:52 PM

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Originally Posted by Khan

You're surprised he took him out?

After giving up 5 runs with none out, then letting two more get on with one out?

I would've taken him out too.

If Lilly's pissed, he should be at himself.

That being said, I don't disagree about Gibbons. I'm really starting to think he may have to go.

I was just surprised because it was only the 3rd inning and he still had the lead. Usually a solid veteran pitcher like Lilly is given the chance to work himself out of the jam. I'm not saying it's a wrong move to yank Lilly, just a little surprising.

kq76 · 08-21-2006, 08:59 PM

First Zaun is upset at JP for bringing in Molina who will take his starting job. Then JP constantly rags on AJ for being injured. Then JP goes after Wells and Gloss who are both having very good seasons. Then the whole Hillenbrand and Gibbons fiasco. Then Molina gets mad at Gibbons for not enough playing time. Then JP trades Hinske, who has actually been playing well, to a team they're chasing and Hinske, who in the past always seemed like a guy who kept his mouth shut, says he's thrilled to be out of Toronto. Then there is a report that Wells won't resign, which I predicted, but Wells is now denying. Now Lilly and Gibbons get into a fight in the locker room? Did I miss anything? Anyway, the point is management needs to go and the sooner the better! I can't recall a worse season publicly for the Jays. From a team that was expected by many to grab a playoff spot, this has been a complete disaster. I can't believe this.

canadiancreed · 08-21-2006, 09:36 PM

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Originally Posted by kq76

First Zaun is upset at JP for bringing in Molina who will take his starting job. Then JP constantly rags on AJ for being injured. Then JP goes after Wells and Gloss who are both having very good seasons. Then the whole Hillenbrand and Gibbons fiasco. Then Molina gets mad at Gibbons for not enough playing time. Then JP trades Hinske, who has actually been playing well, to a team they're chasing and Hinske, who in the past always seemed like a guy who kept his mouth shut, says he's thrilled to be out of Toronto. Then there is a report that Wells won't resign, which I predicted, but Wells is now denying. Now Lilly and Gibbons get into a fight in the locker room? Did I miss anything? Anyway, the point is management needs to go and the sooner the better! I can't recall a worse season publicly for the Jays. From a team that was expected by many to grab a playoff spot, this has been a complete disaster. I can't believe this.

we're basically looking like a bunch of children spoiled by actually palying above .500. Whose possessing these folks, Albert Belle?

mikev · 08-21-2006, 09:44 PM

Bloody Nose!

http://sports.espn.go.com/mlb/news/story?id=2556925

Khan · 08-21-2006, 09:49 PM

ESPN's reporting Gibbons ended up with a bloody nose after the altercation.
Also says cameramen saw Gibbons push Lilly 1st.

http://sports.espn.go.com/mlb/news/story?id=2556925

I didn't see any blood on Gibby, nor do I see how any cameraman could've seen what happened down in the tunnel.

I wouldn't be surprised to see Lilly gone just like Hillenbrand was....

Dang..too slow on the trigger

mikev · 08-21-2006, 09:52 PM

Lilly to Oakland for PTBNL! :P

Khan · 08-21-2006, 09:57 PM

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Originally Posted by mikev

Lilly to Oakland for PTBNL! :P

Kielty?

mikev · 08-21-2006, 09:59 PM

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Originally Posted by Khan

Kielty?

Then you guys could spin Kielty for Shannon Stewart to replace Vernon when he leaves as a FA!

Khan · 08-21-2006, 10:02 PM

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Originally Posted by mikev

Then you guys could spin Kielty for Shannon Stewart to replace Vernon when he leaves as a FA!

What a plan!

It's like deja-vu

.........except for the part about Vernon

canadiancreed · 08-21-2006, 10:17 PM

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Originally Posted by mikev

Lilly to Oakland for PTBNL! :P

or for the love of....is this jackass of a GM even trying?

Bring back Gillick!

crackpott · 08-21-2006, 10:55 PM

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or for the love of....is this jackass of a GM even trying?

Bring back Gillick!

...as much as you're free to badmouth JP, you do know that mikev was being facetious when he posted that, right?

canadiancreed · 08-21-2006, 11:01 PM

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Originally Posted by crackpott

...as much as you're free to badmouth JP, you do know that mikev was being facetious when he posted that, right?

actually no I did not.

Which is good. I was wondering if JP was taking GM advice from the Maple Leafs front office or something.

darkcloud4579 · 08-21-2006, 11:08 PM

Gibbons needs to go and if JP can't get it together in the next year or so, he needs to go too. He's made a few good moves and he's a huge upgrade over Gord Ash, but...I'm not really sold on this current regime yet.

You let Delgado go, then you sign AJ Burnett for waaaaay more than market value and there is no way he lives up to that deal short of winning Cy Youngs in consecutive years and he's not going to be mistaken for Roger Clemens anytime soon.

Some of the other deals are just questionable, too. Token efforts to prove that the team is committing to winning is not the way this franchise was successful during its peak and so....getting back there needs to reflect what got us there during the first 20 years.

08-21-2006, 08:16 PM	#442
RchW Hall Of Famer Join Date: Jul 2004 Location: Toronto ON by way of Glasgow UK Posts: 15,629	More trouble in BJ Land Uh oh, Gibbons goes to take out Lilly who was coughing up an 8-run lead. Lilly shows him up on the mound. After Gibbons went back to the dugout, there was an apparent scuffle in the stairs behind the dugout. Lilly is such a jerk, but Gibbons looks like he has lost the respect of his players. The ship is sinking... ... __________________ Cheers RichW If you’re looking for a good cause to donate money to please consider a Donation to Parkinson’s Canada. It may help me have a better future and if not me, someone else. Thanks. “Conservatism consists of exactly one proposition …There must be in-groups whom the law protects but does not bind, alongside out-groups whom the law binds but does not protect.” Frank Wilhoit

08-21-2006, 08:59 PM	#449
kq76 Global Moderator Join Date: Nov 2002 Location: Vancouver, Canada Posts: 11,494	First Zaun is upset at JP for bringing in Molina who will take his starting job. Then JP constantly rags on AJ for being injured. Then JP goes after Wells and Gloss who are both having very good seasons. Then the whole Hillenbrand and Gibbons fiasco. Then Molina gets mad at Gibbons for not enough playing time. Then JP trades Hinske, who has actually been playing well, to a team they're chasing and Hinske, who in the past always seemed like a guy who kept his mouth shut, says he's thrilled to be out of Toronto. Then there is a report that Wells won't resign, which I predicted, but Wells is now denying. Now Lilly and Gibbons get into a fight in the locker room? Did I miss anything? Anyway, the point is management needs to go and the sooner the better! I can't recall a worse season publicly for the Jays. From a team that was expected by many to grab a playoff spot, this has been a complete disaster. I can't believe this. __________________ My OOTP Wishlist \| My FAQ List OOTP Wiki \| Your Recommended Team Nicknames, By City (A Crowdsourced Project) Last edited by kq76; 08-21-2006 at 09:00 PM.

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Khan All Star Reserve Join Date: Apr 2004 Location: Toronto Posts: 827	ESPN's reporting Gibbons ended up with a bloody nose after the altercation. Also says cameramen saw Gibbons push Lilly 1st. http://sports.espn.go.com/mlb/news/story?id=2556925 I didn't see any blood on Gibby, nor do I see how any cameraman could've seen what happened down in the tunnel. I wouldn't be surprised to see Lilly gone just like Hillenbrand was.... Dang..too slow on the trigger __________________ CBL quickstart thread My Logo & Uni thread OOTP Google drive Last edited by Khan; 08-21-2006 at 09:51 PM.

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mikev Hall Of Famer Join Date: Dec 2004 Location: Bay Area, CA Posts: 4,014	Lilly to Oakland for PTBNL! :P __________________ Global Unified Baseball Association - Vice Commish and Oakland Oaks GM

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JDOldSchool Hall Of Famer Join Date: Dec 2003 Posts: 4,023	Why does Gibbons get into (or nearly get into) physical altercations with his players? I'm surprised he yanked Lilly, and apparently, so is Lilly.

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darkcloud4579 Hall Of Famer Join Date: Jun 2003 Posts: 8,648 Blog Entries: 32	Gibbons needs to go and if JP can't get it together in the next year or so, he needs to go too. He's made a few good moves and he's a huge upgrade over Gord Ash, but...I'm not really sold on this current regime yet. You let Delgado go, then you sign AJ Burnett for waaaaay more than market value and there is no way he lives up to that deal short of winning Cy Youngs in consecutive years and he's not going to be mistaken for Roger Clemens anytime soon. Some of the other deals are just questionable, too. Token efforts to prove that the team is committing to winning is not the way this franchise was successful during its peak and so....getting back there needs to reflect what got us there during the first 20 years. __________________ ------ My Mods Managerial Strategy Pack Competitive Balance Tax Calculator Major League Women's Baseball (OOTP24) quickstart Indian Premier League \| 300+ years of baseball quickstart \| Expatriate League quickstart \| Off-Field Injuries Update \| Women's Name File for OOTP \| ---- Dynasty classics: Centurion comes to OOTP5 \| DC Moneyball Dynasty (2004)