2025 NFL Offseason thread

[Déjà Bru]

Originally Posted by Cobra Mgr

But this is why having even a merely average QB is so important. Cause if you don't have one, you have to make it priority one. And that means often scraping the bottom of the barrel, overpaying, & hoping beyond hope. And that takes away from your focus & resources to fill other needs that are maybe just as pressing.

I know it's not what you meant, but I thought of Daniel Jones when I read this.

EDIT: But you know something? As much as I pine for a quality quarterback in a Giants uniform, I'm not at all sure that I want this guy:

Shedeur Sanders sends message to teams looking to draft him, answers back to critics of family name

I don't like his attitude. Read that article and see what I am talking about. YMMV, of course. But as for me, I would rather have Jones back than this fellow.

[Cobra Mgr]

Originally Posted by Déjà Bru

I know it's not what you meant, but I thought of Daniel Jones when I read this.

EDIT: But you know something? As much as I pine for a quality quarterback in a Giants uniform, I'm not at all sure that I want this guy:

Shedeur Sanders sends message to teams looking to draft him, answers back to critics of family name

I don't like his attitude. Read that article and see what I am talking about. YMMV, of course. But as for me, I would rather have Jones back than this fellow.

Sorry. I see nothing wrong or surprising in anything he said.

1. Every potential #1 pick just about says they should be the #1 pick.

2. Show me a GM picking in the top 7 who doesn't think attitude & culture needs an adjustment, then I will show you why they are picking in the top 7.

3. Of course he doesn't care about critics. Do we need to be reintroduced to his father???? Deion has been criticized for being a showboat, criticized for playing multiple sports, criticized for being a football mercenary, criticized for making a record w/MC Hammer, criticized for dumping ice water on Tim McCarver, criticized for coaching his kids in HS, criticized for nepotism in starting his son @ QB, criticized for not being qualified to coach an HBCU, criticized for leaving an HBCU, criticized for using the transfer portal, criticized for giving interviews, criticized for not answering questions from a particular reporter.......and not once apologizing for any of it.

Why the heck would Shadeur be any different??!???

My only concern w/Shadeur is how he will handle it when someone other than his father is in his ear. That's all he's known. Is he mature enough to take constructive criticism w/o his dad there as a comfort blanket.

[Syd Thrift]

I mean I agree he’d be a bad fit for the Giants, who seem to have no want or need to re-evaluate themselves and try and change directions. Some rookie QBs will go in and keep their head down and just stink when they’re thrown into that situation, Sanders won’t. You know who else wouldn’t, to the extent that his dad stepped in and forced his draft team to trade him away? Notoriously bad attitude John Elway.

[Déjà Bru]

I keep using OOTPB for analogy — it is what originally drew us together — so, I imagine Sanders being rated thusly. If I saw him in the amateur draft, I would avoid him like the plague, no matter what his potential. I simply wouldn't want him on my team.

The leadership aspect would be paramount in this situation, followed by the low work ethic. As if the player already thinks he's got it made and is due before he even has played a minute in the big time.

How would a player become "personality rated" like this? As a GM, in part by listening to media performances such as the one in that article.

[Cobra Mgr]

Based on what would you grade him low on work ethic & describe him as divisive & a drama queen?

[Amazin69]

Originally Posted by Cobra Mgr

Based on what would you grade him low on work ethic & describe him as divisive & a drama queen?

"Divisive" and "drama queen" are the game's description, based on how Bru set the sliders. That said, I don't know that I agree with "low work ethic" either.

(Is "drama queen" homophobic? Should that be reserved for players who have a "personal friend" who lives with them to "help me with my workouts"? Just wondering.)

[Cobra Mgr]

Originally Posted by Amazin69

"Divisive" and "drama queen" are the game's description, based on how Bru set the sliders. That said, I don't know that I agree with "low work ethic" either.

(Is "drama queen" homophobic? Should that be reserved for players who have a "personal friend" who lives with them to "help me with my workouts"? Just wondering.)

I know what he did. I just want to know what he based it on. Like I said about those QB ratings, show the math.

The guy was an average QB prospect who became the #1 or 2 ranked QB in the entire country. That bad work ethic? He went to 2 programs @ the bottom of the barrel and left them @ or near the top of their conferences. That bad leadership? That show divisiveness? Drama queen is someone who wants all the attention on himself. Where has Shedeur been seeking the cameras & headlines during his career?

[Ragnar]

Originally Posted by Déjà Bru

I don't like his attitude. Read that article and see what I am talking about. YMMV, of course. But as for me, I would rather have Jones back than this fellow.

Don't worry about attitude, worry about how good he is. I'm not sure this QB draft class is worth moving up for. The alternative would be to trade back and go with who they have at QB now. Basically tanking the season, but it would put you in a great position for the top draft pick.

Acquiring someone like Rodgers or Stafford is a win now move. The Giants are not a player away. All that will accomplish is getting a worse draft position.

[Syd Thrift]

Yeah I'll be honest this is an issue I have with OOTP's personality mechanics. It gives guys with low Work Ethic that "Disruptive" label when if anything that exact mix would probably not be all that disruptive - low Leadership, high Adaptability strikes me as a guy who'd just go to the park every day, do his job, and go home, not a guy who'd complain about everything under the sun. There I'd use low Adaptability, probably... which wasn't one of the original personality ratings so that's why it's not included, but even so.

I have no idea what Shadeur Sanders is like and I don't think anyone else does either but his dad, I'd probably give high Work Ethic, high Intelligence, low Leadership, and probably low Adaptability too (because he was definitely a guy you framed your locker room around rather than the other way around). Again, I'd probably characterize just "low Adaptability" all by itself as potentially disruptive. It's absolutely absurd to call a guy who worked hard two play two different, unrelated sports at the professional level low Work Ethic, no matter what else you might think about him (on the other hand, there are quite a few well-loved players who would/should probably get that low Work Ethic tag - Ken Griffey Jr. comes immediately to mind, CC Sabathia, David Ortiz...).

I feel like OOTP could use something like Football Manager's "Determination" rating, which has a small impact on play (like a player with high Determination might be more likely to continue to play hard when a team is losing badly or often) but mostly is about high-Determination guys are a pain in the ass to low-Determination guys. More than anything else I feel like that's the source of locker room tension, not just "bad apples", which is TBH a very old way of thinking. I think in particular of Jesse Winker, who got traded to the Mariners and basically caused the team to rally around... his terrible attitude, as in, the team found camaraderie around hating him.

[Syd Thrift]

dola,

The "I'd rather have Danny Dimes back than Sanders" is a big part of why the Giants are awful and have been awful for years. Even if Sanders was as "disruptive" as people think he is (which, again, I think "hey, I'm going to be going to a bad team and I want to make it clear that I'm not going to put up with bad team antics" is only disruptive to bad teams who don't want to change), Danny Dimes is bad at football, like he's not a starting-level NFL quarterback. At the end of the day, you don't win games with vibes, you win games by having more good players (and using them well) than other teams.

[Déjà Bru]

Originally Posted by Syd Thrift

At the end of the day, you don't win games with vibes, you win games by having more good players (and using them well) than other teams.

Then perhaps winning is not everything after all.

[Déjà Bru]

Originally Posted by Déjà Bru

Then perhaps winning is not everything after all.

Oh, I wouldn't blame Daboll and Schoen for going after him. After all, they have families to feed and Maseratis to buy, and the vast majority of fans no longer care about such things as humility and class.

How would you like to have been one of his offensive linemen whom he blamed for a poor performance? If I was one of those guys, I would be tempted to do a matador with a blitzing linebacker.

[Syd Thrift]

Originally Posted by Déjà Bru

Then perhaps winning is not everything after all.

…a lesson Giants should be expected to have learned. Indeed, for the Giants, it doesn’t even happen more often than not…

[Cobra Mgr]

Originally Posted by Déjà Bru

Oh, I wouldn't blame Daboll and Schoen for going after him. After all, they have families to feed and Maseratis to buy, and the vast majority of fans no longer care about such things as humility and class.

How would you like to have been one of his offensive linemen whom he blamed for a poor performance? If I was one of those guys, I would be tempted to do a matador with a blitzing linebacker.

In other words, linemen would keep doing what they had been doing?

When a guy is shifting blame, you can call him out for it. When he is speaking truth, (which nearly every commentator said the same thing post game, but somehow Shedeur isn't allowed to) you take the criticism & get better. Which is what the team did.

And BTW, all the post game talk about Shedeur was about his reference to the blocking. No one mentions he blamed himself in that game as well. I bet you didn't know that, did ya?

I wouldn't want him, or any other teammate or coach for that matter, to say it publicly. Not because of hurt feelings or embarrassment. But because the media is always looking for a means to drive a wedge, criticize, start a controversy & make a big discussion out of nothing. For that reason, keep it in house & don't add on any other distraction. Shedeur is 22 or so. He still has to learn.

As I've said before, Belichek is the Sith Lord when it comes to dealing w/the media. He gives the media nothing. But Shedeur's father is also a Jedi Master. Cause Deion gives the media everything and doesn't give a flip about the response. He knows how people take it is not his problem if he is being honest. Everybody wants to claim they "keep it real" & claim they want people to "keep it real" with them. And almost everyone is a liar.

There is a reason why 90% of sports personalities give nothing but bland recycled quotes, cliche's & non-answers. Cause the press & fans are too petty & weak minded to handle the truth properly. And when you are shown you can't stomach the truth, you will get fed a bunch of lies.

[Cobra Mgr]

Niners trade Deebo Samuel to the Commanders for a 5th rd pick.

[MAGA2024Winning]

Originally Posted by Syd Thrift

Ah man, that dude has maybe the greatest minor league stat line in baseball history.

https://www.baseball-reference.com/r...d=green-002sha

39 at-bats, 37 Ks.

Yea no kidding!

[Déjà Bru]

Originally Posted by Déjà Bru

Oh, I wouldn't blame Daboll and Schoen for going after him. After all, they have families to feed and Maseratis to buy, and the vast majority of fans no longer care about such things as humility and class.

Though I wouldn't mind if they looked at some QBs further down the draft list. Take a look at this Jalen Milroe pass at the QB Combine; I make that out to be 55 yards in the air and beautifully on target:

https://x.com/NFL/status/1895997371223519686

Did you guys follow the Combines? Here are some results according to CBS Sports: QB, WR, RB, Overall

[Cobra Mgr]

Jimmy Johnson retires from Fox Sports.

I gotta be getting old. Cause I remember when Fox Sports started doing the NFL & I thought they have been going just over 20 years, not 31.

[Cobra Mgr]

Tee Higgins franchise tagged by Cincy.

Darius Slay to be cut by the Eagles.

[LD84]

Originally Posted by Cobra Mgr

Jimmy Johnson retires from Fox Sports.

I gotta be getting old. Cause I remember when Fox Sports started doing the NFL & I thought they have been going just over 20 years, not 31.

I watched a bit of the Super Bowl pre game coverage and every time it went to him for his 'turn' (they have like 9 people on those pre game shows, it is insane) he seemed to struggle for words and coherent thoughts.

I felt pretty bad for him.