2023 NFL Off season News - Page 2

dsvitak · 03-18-2023, 04:22 PM

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Originally Posted by Ragnar

I don't disagree with this. I just think if he falls, it's due to his pro day. That's a red flag.

My guy looked pretty rough. A couple of reps, and stick a fork in him...as it's clear he was sticking HIS fork in any plate he came across.

Cobra Mgr · 03-19-2023, 11:12 AM

Brandin Cooks to the 'boys

Cobra Mgr · 03-19-2023, 10:01 PM

Panthers sign Adam Theilen

Ragnar · 03-20-2023, 11:19 AM

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Originally Posted by dsvitak

My guy looked pretty rough. A couple of reps, and stick a fork in him...as it's clear he was sticking HIS fork in any plate he came across.

Might that have something to do with the two deaths as a result of drag racing? He probably had a lot on his mind. Players today aren't wrapped that tight. IMO he still goes top 10. No drug or sexual misconduct issues, he's good.

Syd Thrift · 03-20-2023, 01:17 PM

I guess the whole bong thing wasn't such a big deal for Laremy Tunsil after all, huh...

Cobra Mgr · 03-20-2023, 02:32 PM

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Originally Posted by Syd Thrift

I guess the whole bong thing wasn't such a big deal for Laremy Tunsil after all, huh...

It cost him that 1st contract. Chump change for a guy w/a long career. But if he didn't turn into an all-Pro.................

It reminds me of Dave Chappelle's interview w/David Letterman.

Ragnar · 03-20-2023, 03:45 PM

If I'm not mistaken, Laremy Tunsil was a top 5 prospect. Today, the difference between going top 5 and the 13th pick, around 20 million dollars.

Syd Thrift · 03-20-2023, 05:06 PM

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Originally Posted by Cobra Mgr

It cost him that 1st contract. Chump change for a guy w/a long career. But if he didn't turn into an all-Pro.................

It reminds me of Dave Chappelle's interview w/David Letterman.

Right but my original point was, Tunsil got hammered because people freaked out over a relatively small issue (pot) and the fact that the Texans were completely willing to re-up him for All-Pro money indicates that it probably was, in fact, a relatively small issue. TBH what we got from the "no it was huge" argument was, frankly, circular arguments, that is, the gas mask bong was a big issue because the NFL was suspending people for pot use, therefore he was taking huge, suspension-worthy risks. My point then as now was, nah, the kid was smoking a lot of pot one night and recorded himself.

Cobra Mgr · 03-20-2023, 09:14 PM

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Originally Posted by Syd Thrift

Right but my original point was, Tunsil got hammered because people freaked out over a relatively small issue (pot) and the fact that the Texans were completely willing to re-up him for All-Pro money indicates that it probably was, in fact, a relatively small issue. TBH what we got from the "no it was huge" argument was, frankly, circular arguments, that is, the gas mask bong was a big issue because the NFL was suspending people for pot use, therefore he was taking huge, suspension-worthy risks. My point then as now was, nah, the kid was smoking a lot of pot one night and recorded himself.

And my point is getting yourself filmed before the draft doing things that can get your status dropped is the red flag. The doing the thing wasn't the problem. The timing of "doing the thing" was. Same w/Carter. Illegal street racing, gaining wgt & being out of shape in March is not the problem. Illegal street racing, gaining wgt & being out of shape before the draft is the problem.

Cobra Mgr · 03-24-2023, 06:06 PM

Panthers sign DJ Chark

The changes this offense has gone thru since opening day last year is astounding.

2022
QB Baker Mayfield
QB Sam Darnold
QB PJ Walker
RB Chris McCaffrey
RB D'onta Foreman
WR DJ Moore
WR Robbie Anderson

All gone

2023 so far...............
QB 1st rd pick
QB Andy Dalton
QB Matt Corrall
RB Miles Sanders
RB Chubba Hubbard (returning)
WR Adam Theilen
WR DJ Chark
TE Hayden Hurst

Don't know if I've ever seen a team completely overhaul their ball carriers in such a drastic fashion.

Ragnar · 03-25-2023, 08:50 AM

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Originally Posted by Cobra Mgr

Panthers sign DJ Chark

The changes this offense has gone thru since opening day last year is astounding.

2022
QB Baker Mayfield
QB Sam Darnold
QB PJ Walker
RB Chris McCaffrey
RB D'onta Foreman
WR DJ Moore
WR Robbie Anderson

All gone

2023 so far...............
QB 1st rd pick
QB Andy Dalton
QB Matt Corrall
RB Miles Sanders
RB Chubba Hubbard (returning)
WR Adam Theilen
WR DJ Chark
TE Hayden Hurst

Don't know if I've ever seen a team completely overhaul their ball carriers in such a drastic fashion.

I was hoping the Cowboys would sign him.

monkeyman576 · 03-27-2023, 11:50 AM

Lamar Jackson requests trade: Ravens not "meeting his value", which must be a lot according to Jackson, but he hasn't even reached the AFC championship yet right?

Ragnar · 03-27-2023, 05:45 PM

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Originally Posted by monkeyman576

Lamar Jackson requests trade: Ravens not "meeting his value", which must be a lot according to Jackson, but he hasn't even reached the AFC championship yet right?

His value is the problem. If teams don't want to pay "his" value then why would they trade for him? He's been offered a market value contract. He's been offered 3 years 144M fully guaranteed. He wants what Watson got.

Teams get to championship games, not quarterbacks. If we were going by that then it would be safe to assume Blake Bortles is more worthy of a huge contract than Lamar Jackson.

I just don't get it. How do you turn down some of these offers? I can see if they were trying to lowball him, but that's not the case. The avarice displayed by the owners and players in this league is off the charts.

Cobra Mgr · 03-27-2023, 11:36 PM

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Originally Posted by Ragnar

I just don't get it. How do you turn down some of these offers? I can see if they were trying to lowball him, but that's not the case. The avarice displayed by the owners and players in this league is off the charts.

Winning ain't everything. Which is OK. I think we fans put too much emphasis on it. We should expect players to do their best. I think we confuse that w/expectations to win. If his main priority is to maximize his earnings from his career, then I think he has the right to pursue it. He's putting up a lot of risk. But it is his right.

I think this thing has gotten personal between Lamar & the Ravens. Maybe someone disrespected his mom. Maybe the reaction to his guarantee demand was disrespectful. Maybe things got worse when he was hurt. I personally think Lamar has gone about this wrong. His impatience makes me wonder if there is more to his injury that we aren't hearing.

Ragnar · 03-28-2023, 08:16 AM

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Originally Posted by Cobra Mgr

Winning ain't everything. Which is OK. I think we fans put too much emphasis on it. We should expect players to do their best. I think we confuse that w/expectations to win. If his main priority is to maximize his earnings from his career, then I think he has the right to pursue it. He's putting up a lot of risk. But it is his right.

I think this thing has gotten personal between Lamar & the Ravens. Maybe someone disrespected his mom. Maybe the reaction to his guarantee demand was disrespectful. Maybe things got worse when he was hurt. I personally think Lamar has gone about this wrong. His impatience makes me wonder if there is more to his injury that we aren't hearing.

I kind of agree. The more ridiculous the money gets, the less competitive things become in pro sports. Because nothing really matters anymore after you get paid. The Buster Douglas that came out against Holyfield, was that the same Buster that came out against Tyson?

Look at the NBA. It's pointless to watch the regular season. It's clear they don't care about winning. Without the strong competitive vibe, why watch? It's what makes watching the college game much more enjoyable. You can feel the desire to win.

Cobra Mgr · 03-28-2023, 01:28 PM

$6B bid for the Commanders

GeoWar · 03-28-2023, 07:29 PM

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Originally Posted by Syd Thrift

Right but my original point was, Tunsil got hammered because people freaked out over a relatively small issue (pot) and the fact that the Texans were completely willing to re-up him for All-Pro money indicates that it probably was, in fact, a relatively small issue. TBH what we got from the "no it was huge" argument was, frankly, circular arguments, that is, the gas mask bong was a big issue because the NFL was suspending people for pot use, therefore he was taking huge, suspension-worthy risks. My point then as now was, nah, the kid was smoking a lot of pot one night and recorded himself.

But others have been a problem -- Raiders #1 overall can not miss JaMar Russell QB ....

thehef · 03-28-2023, 10:10 PM

1. Lamar thinks he's as good as - probably better than - the more-durable Watson, and therefore wants to be paid as such.
2. There are probably 31 teams who think that Watson's contract was absurd. Before long, that will probably be 32 teams.
3. There probably aren't many teams that would rank either Watson or Jackson in the Top Ten of the league's QB's. I mean neither of them is cracking the list of Mahomes, Allen, Herbert, Burrow, Lawrence, Rodgers, Hurts... and teams being led by the likes of Goff, Stafford, D Jones, Cousins, Carr, Dak, R Wilson, Tua, Purdy/Lance, K Murray, Jimmy G, Pickett, Fields, G Smith seem to be happy enough with what they have, at least for now.
4. There are probably only 6 or 7 teams actively looking for a QB, and at least half of those are looking to do that via the draft.
5. Even if there were some match between what Lamar wants and a team somehow agreeing with him on his value, that team would also have to surrender two 1st round picks.
6. His unorthodox way of handling his business - not using an agent, awkward social media - is probably not helping his cause. To sort of paraphrase what Deion Sanders said recently, I'll take a knucklehead rushing the passer, but I want a pretty smart dude to be my QB and lead my team.

There may end up being a team that will meet his price & terms - and in that case Lamar will end up looking pretty smart (and the team that signs him? - not so much), but it's probably more-likely he makes up with the Ravens for a year, or goes elsewhere and settles for something significantly less than what Watson got... We'll see.

Syd Thrift · 03-28-2023, 10:54 PM

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Originally Posted by GeoWar

But others have been a problem -- Raiders #1 overall can not miss JaMar Russell QB ....

Tunsil’s deal was pot, not opioids. Try harder.

pilight · 03-28-2023, 10:55 PM

The "more reliable" Watson has played fewer games than Jackson despite being two years older.

There's no obvious reason to rank Justin Herbert ahead of either of them.

I agree that only a handful of teams need a QB enough to consider making a move for Jackson.

03-19-2023, 11:12 AM	#22
Cobra Mgr Hall Of Famer Join Date: Jul 2015 Location: Parts unknown Posts: 8,026	Brandin Cooks to the 'boys __________________ If a man is guilty 4 what goes on inside of his mind, then let me get the electric chair 4 all my future crimes. - Prince Batdance June 7, 1958 - Apr 21, 2016

03-19-2023, 10:01 PM	#23
Cobra Mgr Hall Of Famer Join Date: Jul 2015 Location: Parts unknown Posts: 8,026	Panthers sign Adam Theilen __________________ If a man is guilty 4 what goes on inside of his mind, then let me get the electric chair 4 all my future crimes. - Prince Batdance June 7, 1958 - Apr 21, 2016

03-24-2023, 06:06 PM	#30
Cobra Mgr Hall Of Famer Join Date: Jul 2015 Location: Parts unknown Posts: 8,026	Panthers sign DJ Chark The changes this offense has gone thru since opening day last year is astounding. 2022 QB Baker Mayfield QB Sam Darnold QB PJ Walker RB Chris McCaffrey RB D'onta Foreman WR DJ Moore WR Robbie Anderson All gone 2023 so far............... QB 1st rd pick QB Andy Dalton QB Matt Corrall RB Miles Sanders RB Chubba Hubbard (returning) WR Adam Theilen WR DJ Chark TE Hayden Hurst Don't know if I've ever seen a team completely overhaul their ball carriers in such a drastic fashion. __________________ If a man is guilty 4 what goes on inside of his mind, then let me get the electric chair 4 all my future crimes. - Prince Batdance June 7, 1958 - Apr 21, 2016

03-28-2023, 01:28 PM	#36
Cobra Mgr Hall Of Famer Join Date: Jul 2015 Location: Parts unknown Posts: 8,026	$6B bid for the Commanders __________________ If a man is guilty 4 what goes on inside of his mind, then let me get the electric chair 4 all my future crimes. - Prince Batdance June 7, 1958 - Apr 21, 2016

03-20-2023, 03:45 PM	#27
Ragnar Hall Of Famer Join Date: Aug 2002 Posts: 3,329	If I'm not mistaken, Laremy Tunsil was a top 5 prospect. Today, the difference between going top 5 and the 13th pick, around 20 million dollars.

03-27-2023, 11:50 AM	#32
monkeyman576 Hall Of Famer Join Date: Jun 2010 Posts: 3,347	Lamar Jackson requests trade: Ravens not "meeting his value", which must be a lot according to Jackson, but he hasn't even reached the AFC championship yet right?

03-28-2023, 10:10 PM	#38
thehef Hall Of Famer Join Date: Jun 2006 Posts: 5,345	1. Lamar thinks he's as good as - probably better than - the more-durable Watson, and therefore wants to be paid as such. 2. There are probably 31 teams who think that Watson's contract was absurd. Before long, that will probably be 32 teams. 3. There probably aren't many teams that would rank either Watson or Jackson in the Top Ten of the league's QB's. I mean neither of them is cracking the list of Mahomes, Allen, Herbert, Burrow, Lawrence, Rodgers, Hurts... and teams being led by the likes of Goff, Stafford, D Jones, Cousins, Carr, Dak, R Wilson, Tua, Purdy/Lance, K Murray, Jimmy G, Pickett, Fields, G Smith seem to be happy enough with what they have, at least for now. 4. There are probably only 6 or 7 teams actively looking for a QB, and at least half of those are looking to do that via the draft. 5. Even if there were some match between what Lamar wants and a team somehow agreeing with him on his value, that team would also have to surrender two 1st round picks. 6. His unorthodox way of handling his business - not using an agent, awkward social media - is probably not helping his cause. To sort of paraphrase what Deion Sanders said recently, I'll take a knucklehead rushing the passer, but I want a pretty smart dude to be my QB and lead my team. There may end up being a team that will meet his price & terms - and in that case Lamar will end up looking pretty smart (and the team that signs him? - not so much), but it's probably more-likely he makes up with the Ravens for a year, or goes elsewhere and settles for something significantly less than what Watson got... We'll see.

03-28-2023, 10:55 PM	#40
pilight All Star Starter Join Date: Mar 2003 Location: Where the Action is Posts: 1,954	The "more reliable" Watson has played fewer games than Jackson despite being two years older. There's no obvious reason to rank Justin Herbert ahead of either of them. I agree that only a handful of teams need a QB enough to consider making a move for Jackson.