2023 NFL Off season News

[Cobra Mgr]

Making a thread so we can post any non draft news that comes out instead of flooding the forum w/separate threads.

Ezekiel Elliot to be released by Dallas

Cincy signs Orlando Brown. Not only do the Bengals improve their team but the give one of their toughest competitors a blow as well.

Panthers sign Eagles starting RB Miles Sanders Whoever gets drafted @ QB by Carolina will have plenty of choices to hand the ball off to w/Sanders, Foreman & Hubbard.

[Ragnar]

Nasir Adderley, S for the Chargers retires at age 25.

Good for him. Getting out of there while he is still in one piece.

[Cobra Mgr]

Originally Posted by Ragnar

Nasir Adderley, S for the Chargers retires at age 25.

Good for him. Getting out of there while he is still in one piece.

Hear, hear. I wish more players would take that route. Listen to what your body is telling you. Problems w/the brain are not for play-play.

[Ragnar]

In other news, Jalen Carter settles.

https://bbcgossip.com/sports/jalen-c...023-nfl-draft/

He actually got more than I thought he was going to get.

[Cobra Mgr]

Originally Posted by Ragnar

In other news, Jalen Carter settles.

https://bbcgossip.com/sports/jalen-c...023-nfl-draft/

He actually got more than I thought he was going to get.

Since it was a missy & he can afford a big time lawyer, I thought he would get less than that. Maybe because of the high profile nature of the case & the need to get it over with, the DA had higher cards.

[Syd Thrift]

I think the biggest concern, I mean outside of the literal character issues ,was that he'd have to serve actual time and this looks like something he could easily get out of the way by the time camps open. I still think that if Laremy Tunsil could get knocked out of the top 10 by appearing in a video wearing a gas mask bong, Carter will dip a lot because of this. Which in part is fine with me because I keep seeing people mocking him to Seattle and a. I think they're scared off of bad-character high picks after Malik McDowell, and b. he's a bad fit in their scheme (maybe he's good enough that you adapt the scheme but it's not so easy to make a 4-3 DT work in a 3-4 defense).

[Ragnar]

Originally Posted by Syd Thrift

I think the biggest concern, I mean outside of the literal character issues ,was that he'd have to serve actual time and this looks like something he could easily get out of the way by the time camps open. I still think that if Laremy Tunsil could get knocked out of the top 10 by appearing in a video wearing a gas mask bong, Carter will dip a lot because of this. Which in part is fine with me because I keep seeing people mocking him to Seattle and a. I think they're scared off of bad-character high picks after Malik McDowell, and b. he's a bad fit in their scheme (maybe he's good enough that you adapt the scheme but it's not so easy to make a 4-3 DT work in a 3-4 defense).

Laremy Tunsil was a much bigger issue. No one cares about drag racing. Drugs is the big no no.

[Ragnar]

Originally Posted by Cobra Mgr

Since it was a missy & he can afford a big time lawyer, I thought he would get less than that. Maybe because of the high profile nature of the case & the need to get it over with, the DA had higher cards.

In 99% of the cases, if you get stopped or caught drag racing, you're not getting a year probation. I think it's because people died they gave him a higher sentence. Normally it's everything but the probation.

[Syd Thrift]

Originally Posted by Ragnar

Laremy Tunsil was a much bigger issue. No one cares about drag racing. Drugs is the big no no.

I mean, it was pot. I understand that some teams might have cared, especially a few years ago, but I think some just plain wouldn't, whereas drag racing indicates a person who makes stupid, risky decisions off the field. This time around he was "lucky" enough that he only caused another person to be killed; the next time... well, in some ways Malik McDowell is a best case scenario.

[Cobra Mgr]

Originally Posted by Syd Thrift

I mean, it was pot. I understand that some teams might have cared, especially a few years ago, but I think some just plain wouldn't, whereas drag racing indicates a person who makes stupid, risky decisions off the field. This time around he was "lucky" enough that he only caused another person to be killed; the next time... well, in some ways Malik McDowell is a best case scenario.

Tunsil letting himself get filled w/his face full of bong B4 he is drafted also shows someone who makes stupid risky decisions.

[Ragnar]

Originally Posted by Syd Thrift

I mean, it was pot. I understand that some teams might have cared, especially a few years ago, but I think some just plain wouldn't, whereas drag racing indicates a person who makes stupid, risky decisions off the field. This time around he was "lucky" enough that he only caused another person to be killed; the next time... well, in some ways Malik McDowell is a best case scenario.

If it can be a habitual problem that can get you suspended, or keep you off the field, that's all they care about. Drag racing does not fit that category. Drugs, any drugs, can be a real problem for players. Drag racing has never ever been a problem for NFL players.

[Syd Thrift]

That seems awfully reductionist to me, as marijuana "abuse" has only gotten people suspended or "kept people off the field" because it was against league policy. It's like if the league had a policy that said players couldn't play speed chess and a clip came out of Laremy Tunsil taking on like 5 people at once in a chess tournament.

[Cobra Mgr]

Originally Posted by Ragnar

If it can be a habitual problem that can get you suspended, or keep you off the field, that's all they care about. Drag racing does not fit that category. Drugs, any drugs, can be a real problem for players. Drag racing has never ever been a problem for NFL players.

Your Honor, I'd like to submit Henry Ruggs as exhibit A.

Again, it's a decision making flag. How are you going to act this way before you get the bag? It's a weighing of pros & cons always. Does the talent overweigh the potential off field flags? If I'm a GM, I'm scared right now. That he could be months from finally cashing in and he is losing his self control @ this moment. What happens when I give him millions and he no longer has "class" to fill his day? Is this a young man or a man-child?

[rudel.dietrich]

So feel free to call me insane for this take.

The Jets have an otherwise good team outside of WR.
Why not trade say a 5th to the Colts for Minshew (or sign him before the Colts did) and use him as your starter for a year.

I am under no illusions that Minshew is a top tier QB or even tier 2. But he has seemed at least competent every time I have seen him.
With a good supporting cast, I think you could make the wildcard.

Why spend two firsts and a second on a 40 year old Rodgers who is a 50 million cap hit?

Maybe I don’t have a football mind. But I don’t get NFL front offices sometimes.

I wish my Commanders would do this. We will not get a QB with the 16th pick.
We have an otherwise competent team.
Use that pick on a TE or a WR and use Minshew for a year and see what happens. If it goes wrong, then you are just out a low pick or some money.

[damientheomen3]

Originally Posted by rudel.dietrich

So feel free to call me insane for this take.

The Jets have an otherwise good team outside of WR.
Why not trade say a 5th to the Colts for Minshew (or sign him before the Colts did) and use him as your starter for a year.

I am under no illusions that Minshew is a top tier QB or even tier 2. But he has seemed at least competent every time I have seen him.
With a good supporting cast, I think you could make the wildcard.

Why spend two firsts and a second on a 40 year old Rodgers who is a 50 million cap hit?

Maybe I don’t have a football mind. But I don’t get NFL front offices sometimes.

I wish my Commanders would do this. We will not get a QB with the 16th pick.
We have an otherwise competent team.
Use that pick on a TE or a WR and use Minshew for a year and see what happens. If it goes wrong, then you are just out a low pick or some money.

I like Minshew but his lack of arm strength really minimizes his margin for error as a quarterback. He has to be able to stay on schedule consistently because he's not capable of making the special throws that the top tier of QBs can, and while Minshew's largely done a good job of that in his career, NFL front office types presumably just see his lack of arm as a little too much to overcome for him to be treated as a starting option.


As for why the Jets would pursue Rodgers over a quarterback from the big second tier of QBs (like Carr or Garoppolo who were available in free agency), you just need such a good situation around this guys to be a viable Super Bowl contender. The Jets have talent but they wouldn't contend with one of those guys; given Rodgers' age and his play this past season there's a definite chance he's not in that top tier of quarterback any more either, but out of the teams seeking a quarterback move the Jets were the right one to pull the biggest gamble imo.


Also I absolutely do not think the Jets will give up two 1sts and a 2nd for Rodgers. Given his age and year-to-year status, the way I'm looking at it is this: if the Jets give up less than a 1st, they won the leverage battle with Green Bay. If they give up a 1st plus, they lost. If they give up a 1st and nothing else that's a push that probably still swings a little towards Green Bay but imo is the most likely outcome. I could possibly be way off base here but Joe Douglas has done a good job not getting fleeced in deals in the past (you can see how low my standards are as a Jets fan to compliment the General Manager for not getting fleeced), so I personally don't see the Jets giving up any more than their 1st and like a mid round pick.

[Ragnar]

Originally Posted by Cobra Mgr

Your Honor, I'd like to submit Henry Ruggs as exhibit A.

Again, it's a decision making flag. How are you going to act this way before you get the bag? It's a weighing of pros & cons always. Does the talent overweigh the potential off field flags? If I'm a GM, I'm scared right now. That he could be months from finally cashing in and he is losing his self control @ this moment. What happens when I give him millions and he no longer has "class" to fill his day? Is this a young man or a man-child?

You're talking about stupid stuff guys do all of the time. Very few of these players are saints. I'm talking about what can get you suspended from the league on the regular. See Randy Gregory. Either way, I still think the guy goes top 10.

[Ragnar]

Originally Posted by rudel.dietrich

So feel free to call me insane for this take.

The Jets have an otherwise good team outside of WR.
Why not trade say a 5th to the Colts for Minshew (or sign him before the Colts did) and use him as your starter for a year.

I am under no illusions that Minshew is a top tier QB or even tier 2. But he has seemed at least competent every time I have seen him.
With a good supporting cast, I think you could make the wildcard.

Why spend two firsts and a second on a 40 year old Rodgers who is a 50 million cap hit?

Maybe I don’t have a football mind. But I don’t get NFL front offices sometimes.

I wish my Commanders would do this. We will not get a QB with the 16th pick.
We have an otherwise competent team.
Use that pick on a TE or a WR and use Minshew for a year and see what happens. If it goes wrong, then you are just out a low pick or some money.

It's very simple, they're trying to win a SB this year or the next. They actually have an organization that winning a championship is important to them. Being reckless is another matter altogether.

As damientheomen3 pointed out, the Jets have to be careful on what they give. And a 1st is the most they want to give. However, the Packers want more and supposedly the two sides are far apart as of yesterday. How long can the Packers wait? Check it out, this is straight from Spotrac..

2023 Option Bonus: $58.3M (guaranteed, must be exercised between March 17, 2023 - Week 1)

The Packers can wait until week 1. I don't know what the Packers are asking for. But if they're far apart, you're probably close.

By all accounts, and everything I've heard, the Jets do not want to give up more than a 1st, and they do not want to pay Rodgers his current contract. Supposedly Rodgers is ok taking less. Let's see what that translates to.

[Cobra Mgr]

Originally Posted by Ragnar

You're talking about stupid stuff guys do all of the time. Very few of these players are saints. I'm talking about what can get you suspended from the league on the regular. See Randy Gregory. Either way, I still think the guy goes top 10.

Again, maybe that is how GM's see it. But I think they are dumb if they do. I'm under no illusion that testosterone filled boys injected w/testosterone syringes to play a testosterone inducing game aren't prone to stupid activities testosterone makes you do. I know it. GM's know it. The public knows it.

But most know when is the "right" time to do that stupid stuff.

Carter doesn't. The racing isn't the flag. The weight gain isn't the flag. Racing & gaining weight & being out of shape before you're drafted is the flag. The dude is throwing away $. He's not throwing away his career. He is losing the salary a top 3 pick would get for the $ a top 10-15 pick would get.

GM's are asking themselves "Are the potential problems Carter could bring worth the #__ pick & the salary that slot demands? Or is there another player that would bring me similar value but fewer sleepless nights?"

[Ragnar]

Originally Posted by Cobra Mgr

Again, maybe that is how GM's see it. But I think they are dumb if they do. I'm under no illusion that testosterone filled boys injected w/testosterone syringes to play a testosterone inducing game aren't prone to stupid activities testosterone makes you do. I know it. GM's know it. The public knows it.

But most know when is the "right" time to do that stupid stuff.

Carter doesn't. The racing isn't the flag. The weight gain isn't the flag. Racing & gaining weight & being out of shape before you're drafted is the flag. The dude is throwing away $. He's not throwing away his career. He is losing the salary a top 3 pick would get for the $ a top 10-15 pick would get.

GM's are asking themselves "Are the potential problems Carter could bring worth the #__ pick & the salary that slot demands? Or is there another player that would bring me similar value but fewer sleepless nights?"

I don't disagree with this. I just think if he falls, it's due to his pro day. That's a red flag.

[Cobra Mgr]

Originally Posted by Ragnar

I don't disagree with this. I just think if he falls, it's due to his pro day. That's a red flag.

Fair