TRTR : Day 2

[Qrusher14242]

Yeah i liked the bookmarks on the bottom, much easier to access. Not sure why they were moved. Also, is this bug with the interface fixed? http://www.ootpdevelopments.com/boar...ght=team+index

[jarmenia]

Originally Posted by Qrusher14242

Yeah i liked the bookmarks on the bottom, much easier to access. Not sure why they were moved. Also, is this bug with the interface fixed? http://www.ootpdevelopments.com/boar...ght=team+index

Raidergoo responded to that thread saying it was fixed

[tysok]

I actually agree with you Curtis, most of my testing has been on the pbp so I've not actually played the game very often, but when I went to go back I was searching the entire screen trying to find these newly moved back and forward buttons. I got too used to them being in the upper right.

[Kaitiaki]

Originally Posted by endgame

Question. In v2006, the situation didn't arise often, but occasionally when using the Recent drop-down menu and returning to a page, that page was as originally viewed, i.e. without changes as if frozen at the last view. Will each re-visit of html pages effectively rebuild the page?

Addressing this, it seems to work OK now. I looked at my team's Home screen (the HTML page) and noted the current Closer. I went to the Staff screen, changed the Closer, and used the Recent menu to return to my team's Home screen. The change I just made was reflected on the HTML page.

- Kai

[robster1225]

Originally Posted by Qrusher14242

Yeah i liked the bookmarks on the bottom, much easier to access. Not sure why they were moved. Also, is this bug with the interface fixed? http://www.ootpdevelopments.com/boar...ght=team+index

Depending on which bookmarks you used from the bottom, you will probably not mind the new icons that are there now. I love the new icons, and I have gotten used to the bookmarks being in a dropdown, although I really don't use them.

[Cork55]

Originally Posted by LeiterFanatic

I had this issue as well. For instance, if you bookmarked MLB Scores and Schedules on May 19th, then everytime you hit that bookmark it would show you May 19th's games, not today's, as intended. I had to hit "jump to current day" to get the right schedules.

There is a scheduled game icon on the bottom that takes you to the current days games.

-Cork55

P.S. Nice blog Kai.

[PotatoPeeler]

Scrollbars that didn't stick?

What exactly does this mean? One of my biggest gripes with the interface in 2006 was this. Say I'm viewing a screen with a long list of players and I scroll down about halfway and click on a player. When I click the back button, it resets my scroll bar to the top of the screen and I have to scroll all the way back down and find where I was. Is that what is meant by "scrollbars that don't stick"?

Thanks, and great write up!

[robster1225]

Yup, that is what I believe Kai meant by "scroll bars that didn't stick".

[Curtis]

There was another issue with new screens always appearing scrolled all the way down to the bottom. Then when you apply a filter you're left looking at a blank screen and you have to scroll up to where the list starts. This could be corrected by either having new screens appear scrolled to the top, or by having the program delete the blank portion of lists (in which case you're still at the bottom, but at least you have something to look at).

[PotatoPeeler]

Originally Posted by Marc Duffy

Tomorrow : Tiger Fan talks historical play....

Holy crap. I just noticed this! Awesome!

[kagnew35]

Its tomorrow, WHERE IS IT

[Ninjoid]

Originally Posted by Raidergoo

Gramae Kelly has been doing some very important work behind the scenes, and really advancing the Mac builds.

Kelly doing work!....never! Sits around now waiting for him to flame me on this board as well!

Even though he'll not like me saying this but GK is a top guy with a tremendous work ethic...(for a Scot! ha ha).

[Marc Duffy]

He's also got big moobies.

[Syd Thrift]

I think Marc is just trying to get Graeme to post on the public boards so everyone can see what his user title is.

[The Wolf]

Originally Posted by Marc Duffy

He's also got big moobies.

For those who live on the correct side of the Atlantic, moobies = man boobs.

[Ninjoid]

Originally Posted by Marc Duffy

He's also got big moobies.

But I thought he said he had a personal trainer (and she was very nice) and was only eating celery!

If he still has those I hate to think what 'training' he has been getting up to.

[coolpeter72]

Originally Posted by The Wolf

moobies = man boobs.

Thanks for clearing that up Wolf.

Now can someone explain what dola means and how vorp is actually calculated. j/k

Now back on to topic we never get ot around here do we?

Kai did a great job writing this entry.

The thing that I like the most is being able to just hit f1 and getting help on whatever page a person is on.

I think this will really help new players and even some old players.

I also like the new manager screen. There is a lot on just that one screen so that you don't have to go "hunting" to find something.

[kq76]

Originally Posted by Curtis

Most of it sounds good, but these two I didn't like: "The dual set of forward and back buttons (one for the game screens, one of the HTML panes) have been reduced to a single, unified set. They've also been relocated to the top-left section of the interface, where most people will be comfortable looking for them as they would in a web browser."

Reducing to one set is probably good. Just before Christmas something finally clicked in my brain and I understood when to use each set, but let's say one set is better, though it adds clicks and runs counter to that 'flattening out' you mentioned elsewhere. My gripe is with putting them in the upper left. Yes, that's where they are on my browser, and I've always hated it. They're right next to the 'close window' button, and I keep accidentally closing when I'm trying to back. Granted, closing the window isn't something that can be done in OOTPB, so that's not an issue. Still, i LIKED having the buttons in the upper right for a change and wish I could put them there on my browser.

"Second, the way bookmarks work has been revamped. You can still bookmark any page you like, but they are now stored in a drop-down menu along the top of the screen, again identical to what most people will be familiar with from their web browser."

Again, I LIKED having the bookmarks display accessibly along the bottom. My mind doesn't deal easily with the concept of dropdown (or popup) menus, and again, this is adding clicks to what you have to do to get where you want to go and running counter to the flattening strategy. Maybe with these icons I'm not going to need bookmarks anymore, but if I do need them, you've just made them harder to use.

I guess I feel the way the 6.51 guys felt when 2006 came out. You're getting rid of what I consider desirable features, just for the sake of change, and now I'm going to have to get used to 'new and improved'.

" Both points are disappointing to me.

I hate how Windows likes to put most things you want to click on the left by default. Most of us are right-handed, it only makes sense to put things you use the most on the right (am I remembering the old macs correctly that they had their start menu on the right?). It's like building a house, which makes more sense: putting the bar that old people use to go down stairs on the left side of the stairwell or on the right which is the side most will be stronger with and can put more weight on? Ideally, you'd be able to move things wherever you want like many apps are going towards (I put my web browser back/forward buttons in the middle, but I use my address field even more so it's to the right of them), but unless you can do that I think most frequently used controls are more suited to being on the right.

And bookmarks just aren't as useful if you have to use them through a menu. That's the whole idea of bookmarks, to get where you want to go asap. Sure, it's still probably quicker than not having them all, but it sounds like it was even better in 2006. With a bookmarks toolbar in a web browser you can still have menus by putting the bookmarks in folders if you want (and you probably want to do that if you have a lot), but I get the sense that you can't do this with 2007.

I'll agree that it's nice that it clears up room for link icons that you can fit more of on, but if you can't customize what those icons point to then really how good are they? That is, what would you rather want: lots of one-click icons to things someone else thinks you might often use or fewer one-click links to things you yourself decide you often use? How often do you find that you just don't use links the developer left for you, that you end up using an application differently from how the developer thought you would? Speaking of the links in OOTP6 and before, I don't think I used them once after finding out what they pointed to. If anything, please let us customize that toolbar like a lot of apps do nowadays allowing for: text links, icon links, folders of text links (menus) and adding and removing of everything.

As for the different sets of back/forward buttons, I actually kind of liked them because I could get to things even faster. But I can see how others might have had problems getting tripped up by them and it probably was something that should have been changed.

I can appreciate that you're trying to make things easier for those who might not be as adept at computers, but in doing so I think you might actually be going backwards in some ways making a few things more difficult for those of us who are. Don't forget that OOTP mantra: (customization,) "it's in your hands!".

[Astros33Resurrected]

nice

[Nu-Bru]

Originally Posted by kq76

I can appreciate that you're trying to make things easier for those who might not be as adept at computers, but in doing so I think you might actually be going backwards in some ways making a few things more difficult for those of us who are. Don't forget that OOTP mantra: (customization,) "it's in your hands!".

From what I have seen, they made an effort to reduce the amount of mouse-clicks overall and make screens more accessible. As a tradeoff, I will accept wherever they want to place the forward and back buttons.

And if the built-in icon link bar provides more accessibility with fewer clicks, I will live with my bookmarks in a drop-down menu.

Let's look at the big picture.