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[WestCoastGuy]

Originally Posted by Bluenoser

Wow, can't believe the amount of stories going around about how Don Larson now has company and is no longer unique.

Can't agree with those sentiments at all.

Don Larson threw a perfect game. All by himself.

Houston Astros had a no hitter thrown by a combined 4 pitchers.

There is a big difference between a no-hitter and a perfect game.

In my opinion, Don Larson still stands alone in his accomplishment.

Not taking anything away from the Astros, a great accomplishment, but I'm not giving them anything from Don Larson either. His accomplishment stands head and shoulders above the Astros.

Agree completely. Impressive pitching performance as a team last night, for sure, but it still pales significantly in comparison to what Larson did.

[Westheim]

Originally Posted by Brad K

He has credit for a shared no hitter. Haddix has nothing.

Originally Posted by Bluenoser

Wow, can't believe the amount of stories going around about how Don Larson now has company and is no longer unique.

Can't agree with those sentiments at all.

Don Larson threw a perfect game. All by himself.

You guys sound like you still think people in 2022 are capable of thinking in, and appreciative of nuances.

Btw Javier has credit for *two* combined no-hitters. They also threw one in the regular season where he was the starter. Him and Pressly shared in both, but the rest of the personnel was different (even the catchers, Maldonado catching the regular season one).

'Stros pitchers have thrown four no-hitters in four seasons, three of which were combined. Justin "Can't Win No World Series Game" Verlander, on tap for Game 5, has the only complete one in 2019.

[Ragnar]

Can someone explain a few things to me?

That Astros pitcher, why was he pitching game 4?

Besides that, I found something else confusing. But I usually take the W/L for a pitcher with a grain of salt, I found his to be odd. Explain to me how he has 89 hits in 148 innings, a 2.5 ERA pitching for a team with a 106 wins and have an 11-9 record. If I saw his stats without looking at his record, I would have guessed 19-1.

[monkeyman576]

Originally Posted by Pelican

Reconsider?? He was on track for the HOF by any measure from the first day he stepped on the MLB field. Nothing in his career has diminished that. Remember, rightly or wrongly, HOF is largely about cumulative stats, and a guy who starts young and plays well into his late thirties will have a good shot. Injuries are a red flag; but numbers-wise, Harp is on track for 500+ HR and 2500+ hits. Post-season performance can be the tiebreaker for marginal cases (see Kershaw, Clayton). Nobody is a lock at age 30. Few will have better credentials than Harper today.

Looking at his first 6 seasons, my research shows that several outfielders had similar or higher WAR than Harper(21.1) in 2012-2016. Andrew McCutchen(25.8), Mike Trout(47.2), Adam Jones(23), Giancarlo Stanton(20.9), and Mookie Betts(17.9) to name a few. Given that and the uncertainty regarding the remainder of his career at the time, I would have considered him a marginal hall of fame candidate at best, if not low. My point was that given his performance the last few years his stock has risen.

[kq76]

Originally Posted by Ragnar

That Astros pitcher, why was he pitching game 4?

The Astros' rotation is really really good. McCullers had the highest FIP at 3.49 (Javier's was 3.16), but Javier is the youngest and least experienced of the 4.

Originally Posted by Ragnar

Besides that, I found something else confusing. But I usually take the W/L for a pitcher with a grain of salt, I found his to be odd. Explain to me how he has 89 hits in 148 innings, a 2.5 ERA pitching for a team with a 106 wins and have an 11-9 record. If I saw his stats without looking at his record, I would have guessed 19-1.

Unfortunately, W-L records often just don't make any sense. Jose Berrios had a -.5 WAR this year, yet a 12-7 W-L. Or Aaron Nola who had a 6 WAR, but a 11-13 W-L record!

[Westheim]

Originally Posted by Ragnar

Can someone explain a few things to me?

That Astros pitcher, why was he pitching game 4?

Besides that, I found something else confusing. But I usually take the W/L for a pitcher with a grain of salt, I found his to be odd. Explain to me how he has 89 hits in 148 innings, a 2.5 ERA pitching for a team with a 106 wins and have an 11-9 record. If I saw his stats without looking at his record, I would have guessed 19-1.

Including the postseason(s), he has 46 career starts, and went longer than six innings just five times, and never beyond seven. And usually, he's out before the sixth is even over. You have to give your team at least a chance to take a lead for you!

[monkeyman576]

The game was this close to not being a no hitter.



I don't know, looks like a hit to me.

[Westheim]

Looks foul to me!

Sincerely

The

Vice-Precident of the Carlos Beltran Totally Didn't Hit That Ball On The Chalk On June 1, 2012 Club

[swoboda]

The guy is throwing a no-hitter in the World Series and they take him out of the game. Sometimes, I just hate the way baseball is played these days.
Don Larsen remains the only pitcher to ever throw a no hitter in the WS !

[Cobra Mgr]

Originally Posted by swoboda

The guy is throwing a no-hitter in the World Series and they take him out of the game. Sometimes, I just hate the way baseball is played these days.

Not "sometimes" for me. I know I'll get called an old fart but I will own it like Houston owns the Yanks. My eyes rolled so far into the back of my head when they put in a reliever that paramedics had to get a crowbar to lodge back into place.

[monkeyman576]

Well, it's a double edged sword in my opinion. The money influx in sports shows that the public has a healthy appetite for athletic entertainment and the game isn't going anywhere soon. It's understandable that owners don't want to risk injury of their $100M athletes and are taking them out earlier, but at the same time I admire what the pitchers of old used to do.

[Brad K]

Originally Posted by Bluenoser

Wow, can't believe the amount of stories going around about how Don Larson now has company and is no longer unique.

Can't agree with those sentiments at all.

Don Larson threw a perfect game. All by himself.

Houston Astros had a no hitter thrown by a combined 4 pitchers.

There is a big difference between a no-hitter and a perfect game.

In my opinion, Don Larson still stands alone in his accomplishment.

Not taking anything away from the Astros, a great accomplishment, but I'm not giving them anything from Don Larson either. His accomplishment stands head and shoulders above the Astros.

Modern sports announcers are idiots.

[Brad K]

Originally Posted by Bluenoser

Wow, can't believe the amount of stories going around about how Don Larson now has company and is no longer unique.

Can't agree with those sentiments at all.

Don Larson threw a perfect game. All by himself.

Houston Astros had a no hitter thrown by a combined 4 pitchers.

There is a big difference between a no-hitter and a perfect game.

In my opinion, Don Larson still stands alone in his accomplishment.

Not taking anything away from the Astros, a great accomplishment, but I'm not giving them anything from Don Larson either. His accomplishment stands head and shoulders above the Astros.

Yea, and Larsen did it against a first place team!

[Déjà Bru]

Originally Posted by Brad K

Modern sports announcers are idiots.

No, we are. Now, by "we" I mean all of us collectively so don't take umbrage.

Thanks to the dumbing down of society and the thrill mill of mass media, it is possible for Westheim to hit the nail on the head with "You guys sound like you still think people in 2022 are capable of thinking in, and appreciative of nuances."

So yes, Don Larsen is the only man to throw a no-hitter in the World Series. Nobody threw a no-hitter yesterday. There was a no-hitter in the World Series, which is remarkable, but multiple pitchers dilutes the accomplishment.

But we must have our instant thrill of the day, if not the hour, don't we? And that's why "Modern sports announcers are idiots." Just don't blame them.

[Déjà Bru]

And don't get me (further) started on "The guy is throwing a no-hitter in the World Series and they take him out of the game." I want to have a nice day.

[Ragnar]

Originally Posted by swoboda

The guy is throwing a no-hitter in the World Series and they take him out of the game. Sometimes, I just hate the way baseball is played these days.
Don Larsen remains the only pitcher to ever throw a no hitter in the WS !

I kind of agree with you. But I think they are just thinking of winning, not individual accomplishments. He had over 100 pitches by then, right? They're probably thinking they'll want him for a game 7 if need be.

The Phillies need to win the next two games or they're done.

[Déjà Bru]

There are strong indications that Javier would have accomplished the deed. Digest these factoids and see if you agree:

Check out this dude’s last six starts. It’ll make the Phillies feel better, at least:

World Series Game 4 (at Phillies) — 6 IP, 0 hits
ALCS Game 3 (at Yankees) — 5.1 IP, 1 hit
Oct. 1 (vs. Rays) — 6 IP, 2 hits
Sept. 25 (at Orioles) — 6 IP, 1 hit
Sept. 20 (at Rays) — 5 IP, 1 hit
Sept. 14 (at Tigers) — 6 IP, 2 hits

Over his last six starts, he’s allowed a total of seven hits! Let’s put that in perspective. The ace-type pitcher he faced Wednesday night, Aaron Nola, allowed seven hits in this game — and only faced 20 hitters.

Batting average of the unfortunate hitters who have faced this man in those seven starts: .067! Yep, you read that right. Over those six starts (but not counting relief appearances), opposing hitters have gone 7 for 105 against Javier. Seriously. That’s 7 for 105!

And if you’re asking, “Has anyone else ever done this?” … you know the answer! And it’s no! In the annals of Baseball Reference’s database, which is nearly complete over the last 107 years, not a single pitcher has ripped off six straight regular-season and/or postseason starts of five innings or more, allowing two hits or fewer. Not Nolan Ryan. Not Randy Johnson. Not Sandy Koufax. Not one.

[Cobra Mgr]

Originally Posted by Déjà Bru

There are strong indications that Javier would have accomplished the deed. Digest these factoids and see if you agree:

dang.

The other thing that annoys me about last night is I've heard little praise of the way Dusty Baker managed his pitching last night. I've heard mounds of criticism before about how he handled the bullpen. And one of the most annoying aspects of playoff baseball is all of the media 2nd guessing every batter, pitcher, swing, throw as if it was the difference in a loss.

So no, I don't like taking a guy out of the game when he has a no-no going. But if all of these modern "experts" are going to claim the present way of doing things is the correct way, well you better be sure to give the guy his deserved praise when it works out like it did last night. Give Dusty his props.

[monkeyman576]

Originally Posted by Cobra Mgr

dang.

The other thing that annoys me about last night is I've heard little praise of the way Dusty Baker managed his pitching last night. I've heard mounds of criticism before about how he handled the bullpen. And one of the most annoying aspects of playoff baseball is all of the media 2nd guessing every batter, pitcher, swing, throw as if it was the difference in a loss.

So no, I don't like taking a guy out of the game when he has a no-no going. But if all of these modern "experts" are going to claim the present way of doing things is the correct way, well you better be sure to give the guy his deserved praise when it works out like it did last night. Give Dusty his props.

I don't think they deserve any praise when they still have players on their roster from the scandal and there is still a world series banner from 2017 hanging in their stadium.

[thehef]

Originally Posted by Ragnar

But I think they are just thinking of winning, not individual accomplishments. He had over 100 pitches by then, right?

97 pitches. He broke 100 pitches twice during the season, including 115 when he tossed 7 no-hit innings vs the Yankees.

Originally Posted by Ragnar

They're probably thinking they'll want him for a game 7 if need be.

I think I read somewhere that he's unlikely to pitch again in the series. If true, probably because a) Houston will be sticking with their regular rotation, and b) game 7 would be on three days rest, something he did not do during the regular season. That said, I'm sure he'd be available to pitch in relief for a game seven, but I guess the BlackStros have a pretty deep 'pen...