Career Ending Injury Freqency

[Henry]

Just as a quick check, I looked at this year's injuries so far and found 11 potential CEI or SEI injuries / surguries after 6 weeks so far. That would be an average of about 2 per week per 30 teams or around 50 per year based on the 30 team size of the MLB.

I also thought I'd add this from Kaat's book...

Q: Since you retired in after the 1983 season, very few pitchers have come close to pitching for 15 or 18 years, much less pitching for more than 20. Why do you think so few pitchers these days display the durability that you did?

A: Two major reasons: money and experience. If a pitcher is successful early in his career he doesn't have to stay around as long because his family is financially set. There simply isn't the motivation to stay around so long. Someone like Roger Clemens has stuck around for years because there are milestones he wants to hit that keep him going. The second reason is experience. There are more career-ending injuries today. While a fluke injury can wreck any career, I think a large part to these injuries is that so many baseball players didn't play much baseball as a kid. Instead of playing baseball all the time and learning how to avoid injury or how to listen to your body when you're pushing it too far on a certain movement, they're out playing basketball or soccer or tennis or some other sport. When I was a kid, we only played baseball and that helped our bodies develop better for the sport.

Since the adjustment in OOTP has 5 levels, I would not classify this as anything being broke as much as knowing where to set it to get the results you expect. In an online league, if the majority of GMs feel it should be changed, the commissioner should listen.

Oh... and randomization can result in "clumps" just as it can result in dry spells.

[mh2365]

Since I didn't mention it in the other thread Congrats Henry

[PhillyFan2578]

Originally posted by Henry
Just as a quick check, I looked at this year's injuries so far and found 11 potential CEI or SEI injuries / surguries after 6 weeks so far. That would be an average of about 2 per week per 30 teams or around 50 per year based on the 30 team size of the MLB.

I also thought I'd add this from Kaat's book...


Since the adjustment in OOTP has 5 levels, I would not classify this as anything being broke as much as knowing where to set it to get the results you expect. In an online league, if the majority of GMs feel it should be changed, the commissioner should listen.

Oh... and randomization can result in "clumps" just as it can result in dry spells.

Possible SEI's:
Marty Cordova, BAL
Ramiro Mendoza, BOS
Kyle Snyder, KC
Todd Hundley, LA
Rob Nenn, SF

Possible CEI's:
Greg Jones, ANA
Seth McClung, TB
Chad Fox, FL
Mike Lincoln, STL

AL: 40 total injuries
NL: 58 total injuries

These days the majority of pitcher's have successfully Tommy John surgery and eventually return to the minors at the least. Even after reading through the injury reports, I still feel that the potential for a CEI in the game is too high. One or two SEI/CEI per club would even be acceptable, but two in 2 months months or play is not.

Again, my it's just my opinion and doesn't make me right.

[CommishJoe]

Originally posted by PhillyFan2578
These days the majority of pitcher's have successfully Tommy John surgery and eventually return to the minors at the least. Even after reading through the injury reports, I still feel that the potential for a CEI in the game is too high. One or two SEI/CEI per club would even be acceptable, but two in 2 months months or play is not.

Again, my it's just my opinion and doesn't make me right.

This is baseball .. anything can happen. As long as it's not a regular occurence, I don't see any problems here.

There are a lot of things that happen in the MLB that would get people to cry foul in a simulation. A ball hitting off the top of the fielders head and into the stands for a HR is the one that stands out the most.

I'm glad to see that you re-constructed your "not going to play anymore" quote, but I still don't agree with your "un-realistic" point of view. I would be ticked if it happened to my players too (I was devistated with Joe Mauer went down with a CEI in the TLB), but I wouldn't exactly call it un-realistic. There is always a chance that 2 players will go down to CEIs in consecutive months. Since there is a chance for it to happen, I'm happy to see it happening in the game.

[PhillyFan2578]

Originally posted by CommishJoe
This is baseball .. anything can happen. As long as it's not a regular occurence, I don't see any problems here.

There are a lot of things that happen in the MLB that would get people to cry foul in a simulation. A ball hitting off the top of the fielders head and into the stands for a HR is the one that stands out the most.

I'm glad to see that you re-constructed your "not going to play anymore" quote, but I still don't agree with your "un-realistic" point of view. I would be ticked if it happened to my players too (I was devistated with Joe Mauer went down with a CEI in the TLB), but I wouldn't exactly call it un-realistic. There is always a chance that 2 players will go down to CEIs in consecutive months. Since there is a chance for it to happen, I'm happy to see it happening in the game.

The game is definately not "unplayable." I know I used the term "un-realistic" but these two CEI's happened 6 days apart to two AAA players. Maybe it's a string of bad luck, but a broken foot is not normally deemed a CEI in real life.

[CommishJoe]

Originally posted by PhillyFan2578
The game is definately not "unplayable." I know I used the term "un-realistic" but these two CEI's happened 6 days apart to two AAA players. Maybe it's a string of bad luck, but a broken foot is not normally deemed a CEI in real life.

Well, I had a pretty good reply, but the board ate it. To sum it up, change the injury.dat file. You can control what injuries show up and their seriousness there.

[Dargone]

I, too, agree with Eck...

[PhillyFan2578]

Originally posted by CommishJoe
Well, I had a pretty good reply, but the board ate it. To sum it up, change the injury.dat file. You can control what injuries show up and their seriousness there.

I would, however I'm not the commish. Thanks for your response though.