Question - Advanced Stats - Location of Definitions

[malor]

The stats look interesting, but no where in game can I find a definition of what they mean.

On the player screen, Developers thought it was important enough to dedicate an entire widget to them, but no tooltips to explain them when hovering over them. Same goes for any screen that has them.

Without a definition, they are meaningless and should be removed.

[Tycobbler]

Take your time and read the forum https://forums.ootpdevelopments.com/...d.php?t=367861

[Rain King]

If you hover over any of the advanced stats on the Sortable Stats page they are spelled out more (instead of just their abbreviations). The same if you look through the list when editing a view.

Are there any in particular you have a question about? Most would be pretty google-able, but also I'm sure others here would be happy to help if you list them.

[malor]

Thanks to both of you for the info.

I really wish the info in your sheet was used as a popup tool wherever the abbreviation are used and not just for the new stats, but for all stats. It would be more useful then having to pull out info from somewhere else or worse, memorizing all of them.

From a quick glance, most info looks to be not very useful.
Example, whiff% for batter. Just look at the number of strikeouts vs at-bats on the primary stat screen and do the math quickly in your head. No need to go to another two screens just because someone else did the math already.

[malor]

Originally Posted by Tycobbler

Take your time and read the forum https://forums.ootpdevelopments.com/...d.php?t=367861

Do you have the same for all of the other stats in the game?

It would be nice to have one sheet for all.

Hopefully this info is added right into the game.

Thanks.

[Sweed]

Originally Posted by malor

Thanks to both of you for the info.

I really wish the info in your sheet was used as a popup tool wherever the abbreviation are used and not just for the new stats, but for all stats. It would be more useful then having to pull out info from somewhere else or worse, memorizing all of them.

From a quick glance, most info looks to be not very useful.
Example, whiff% for batter. Just look at the number of strikeouts vs at-bats on the primary stat screen and do the math quickly in your head. No need to go to another two screens just because someone else did the math already.

I believe whiff% is based on swing and miss on all pitches (swings and misses / total swings). Not k%.

[malor]

You are correct. I read it incorrectly.
But my version works just as well as telling the GM/Manager when a player strikes out a lot. I don't understand why swinging and missing twice and then hitting a home is bad in the scheme of stats. But that stat indicates it would be considered a bad at-bat. It does not take into account the extra 2 extra pitches made by the pitcher.

[drewc71]

Originally Posted by Rain King

If you hover over any of the advanced stats on the Sortable Stats page they are spelled out more (instead of just their abbreviations). The same if you look through the list when editing a view.
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The Advanced Stats on the Sortable Stats page don't explain what they are or what they're for though, they just tell you the name of it.

The guy that made the PDF explains what the Advanced Stats actually do. The post that's stickied.

[Sweed]

Originally Posted by malor

You are correct. I read it incorrectly.
But my version works just as well as telling the GM/Manager when a player strikes out a lot. I don't understand why swinging and missing twice and then hitting a home is bad in the scheme of stats. But that stat indicates it would be considered a bad at-bat. It does not take into account the extra 2 extra pitches made by the pitcher.

People have debated this since saber stats started to become a thing. I see value in them, but I also understand that in any one plate appearance a human being is batting and anything can happen. Always keeping in mind that one PA is an incredibly small sample. I learned baseball in the 60's way before any of this stuff came along. I'm not expert enough to debate the topic be it with younger people that see advanced stats as almost infallible, or people my age that say/think they don't really add much or even anything. To each their own.

Without trying to start a back and forth I would reply to your example a batter with 2 strikes (whether swung at or taken) is probably a lot less likely to hit a HR than a batter with no strikes. I also wouldn't use whiff% to determine a bad AB. I would use it to say player A is more likely, on average, than player B to have a good result from an AB. And then it would only be one piece of data, ie there's not one single determining factor. That is what my "old baseball brain" sees as value in the stat. I'd say it tries to show a guy that swings and misses a lot is more likely to end up with more bad AB's over the course of the season than a guy that has a lower whiff%. I could well be wrong and a younger man growing up on saber stats will come along and tell me so.

I do think there is a lot of value in advanced stats and have been enjoying learning more about them and their application. I think having them added to v27 is going to help me learn a lot more, a lot faster.

[drewc71]

The Advanced Stats are an incredible tool for deciding when to promote (or demote) a prospect.

[kq76]

I asked AI, "why is whiff% important?". I found 2 points especially interesting:

Predicts Strikeouts: It is a key, early-season indicator of a pitcher's ability to generate strikeouts, stabilizing faster than other metrics.

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Refines Analysis: It isolates a hitter's contact ability by focusing only on swings, removing take-pitches (like called strikes) from the equation.

So before we get a lot of data in a season, whiff% can tell you what you'll eventually likely see. And it isolates what leads to Ks instead of leaving us to just look at Ks without knowing why they might not be better or worse.

[malor]

Is there a stat for when a player has a called strike against them, similar to Whiff%. Like Looking%?
I can see that it might make a difference. Maybe a low contact hitter?

Together Whiff% plus Looking% should equal 100, reflecting the number of strikes.

Wait is there a stat for foul ball for a strike? Foul ball strike% (and only for a strike with strike two fouls not counted).

[Rain King]

Originally Posted by malor

Is there a stat for when a player has a called strike against them, similar to Whiff%. Like Looking%?
I can see that it might make a difference. Maybe a low contact hitter?

Together Whiff% plus Looking% should equal 100, reflecting the number of strikes.

Wait is there a stat for foul ball for a strike? Foul ball strike% (and only for a strike with strike two fouls not counted).

Z-Swing% gives the percentage of pitches in the zone that were swung at. So, the inverse of that would be Looking%.

Contact% includes foul balls, but it does not look like there is a separate Foul Strike or any 2-strike related advanced stats.

[malor]

Thanks all for the replies.