Eye ability ages backwards

[Baconi]

So this probably stems from the setup of my league which is very unusual, as I have aging turned up extremely high (>10) but I thought I would still bring this up because it might indicate an issue - basically, playing with aging up very high works exactly how I want it to, with the exception of how the eye ability ages. While other ratings will rapidly decline, for some reason, Eye ends up getting better for a lot of players, and I end up with a bunch of late 30 year olds with 20 CON / 20 POW / 90 EYE, with slashlines akin to .150/.400/.280. It's not just that Eye doesn't decline, a lot of times it will increase all the way up to the max. I attached an example.

[kq76]

I believe eye / OBA does generally get better for MLB players over time, up to a certain point of course. That is, I'm not surprised you have a 34 y-o who has improved his eye as he's aged, not at all, but if say absolutely every player was, even up to their retirement, then that'd definitely be an issue I think. Are you seeing this (max eye) with everyone or were you just really surprised by this one player's development?

[BarneyRubble]

I apologize ahead of time for this post. It is something I've been meaning to say since I first bought OOTP 4.

I would have preferred they called it 'patience' and not eye. I had fine 'eye' site but I swung at tons of pitches I shouldn't have because of poor plate patience.

[Baconi]

Originally Posted by kq76

I believe eye / OBA does generally get better for MLB players over time, up to a certain point of course. That is, I'm not surprised you have a 34 y-o who has improved his eye as he's aged, not at all, but if say absolutely every player was, even up to their retirement, then that'd definitely be an issue I think. Are you seeing this (max eye) with everyone or were you just really surprised by this one player's development?

I think it's not happening with everyone but it's happening to enough players at such an extreme level that it's clearly some sort of bug.

[Lukas Berger]

Originally Posted by Baconi

I think it's not happening with everyone but it's happening to enough players at such an extreme level that it's clearly some sort of bug.

I don't think it's a bug. It's pretty well documented that the two traits that generally significantly improve as players age are eye and control for pitchers, and we've tried to replicate that in-game.

[kq76]

Originally Posted by Lukas Berger

I don't think it's a bug. It's pretty well documented that the two traits that generally significantly improve as players age are eye and control for pitchers, and we've tried to replicate that in-game.

Now that you mention pitchers, I'm curious about movement. To your knowledge, does movement generally improve as well? I totally get that velocity wouldn't as our arm just gets weaker past some point (30 or so), but wouldn't a pitcher's ability to manipulate the movement of their pitches get better with experience, similar to how their ability to control where their pitches end up gets better? If anything, I'd think an older pitcher would be better at manipulating the break of their pitches as they get older than they would be at controlling where the pitch ends up. I mean, I'd think some arm strength is required for controlling where the pitch ends up while I don't think break has much to do with arm strength, but more with how the pitcher manipulates the ball in their hand. No?

[Brad K]

Originally Posted by Lukas Berger

I don't think it's a bug. It's pretty well documented that the two traits that generally significantly improve as players age are eye and control for pitchers, and we've tried to replicate that in-game.

Would his extreme setting for aging accentuate this?

[jcard]

Originally Posted by Lukas Berger

I don't think it's a bug. It's pretty well documented that the two traits that generally significantly improve as players age are eye and control for pitchers, and we've tried to replicate that in-game.

Yes, plate discipline does tend to improve with experience / age. The Eye rating, however, is tied directly to walk rate in OOTP. Real life walk rates tend to decline as a player loses hitting ability, as pitchers are less likely to work around them. Thus, in OOTP terms, walk rate (thus, Eye) would be expected to be negatively affected by declining Contact and Power ratings.

[Baconi]

Originally Posted by jcard

Yes, plate discipline does tend to improve with experience / age. The Eye rating, however, is tied directly to walk rate in OOTP. Real life walk rates tend to decline as a player loses hitting ability, as pitchers are less likely to work around them. Thus, in OOTP terms, walk rate (thus, Eye) would be expected to be negatively affected by declining Contact and Power ratings.

Yes, this is my view - the affected players are seeing up to doubled and tripled walk rates from their career norms which would not happen in real life. Tbh if i crank aging up as high as I have, I'm expecting that it is going to basically crater players' overall abilities as they get older and make them unusable - that's the goal. But the eye rating improving so much is keeping all of these players still usable with very strange statlines which I don't think is a reasonable expectation for increased aging.

[BarneyRubble]

Originally Posted by jcard

Yes, plate discipline does tend to improve with experience / age. The Eye rating, however, is tied directly to walk rate in OOTP. Real life walk rates tend to decline as a player loses hitting ability, as pitchers are less likely to work around them. Thus, in OOTP terms, walk rate (thus, Eye) would be expected to be negatively affected by declining Contact and Power ratings.

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[Lukas Berger]

Originally Posted by Baconi

Yes, this is my view - the affected players are seeing up to doubled and tripled walk rates from their career norms which would not happen in real life. Tbh if i crank aging up as high as I have, I'm expecting that it is going to basically crater players' overall abilities as they get older and make them unusable - that's the goal. But the eye rating improving so much is keeping all of these players still usable with very strange statlines which I don't think is a reasonable expectation for increased aging.

Yeah, looking at this, it does seem that the gains are far, far too rapid and large. They should be pretty slight.

[Lukas Berger]

Obviously, having aging turned up as high as you do is likely affecting this, but it's still pretty clearly a bit unbalanced. Something we can take a look at tweaking.