Interaction Of Settings With Auto-Calc

[David Watts]

For kicks last night I set up a random debut league starting in 1947. Standard historical setup. 3 year recalc, double weight. Development on as well. After around 5 or 6 year, I upped both short term and long term injuries to very high. Turned off coaching and scouting. I used pre-calc instead of auto calc. 130 TCR. All the development lab stuff turned off, as well as that draft combine thing. Minimum for players set to 1901. I fast simmed the league through history from 1947-2006. Cool thing is, my head didn't explode, my computer didn't stop working and in the end, it looks like Pre Calc is just another great option for playing this game.

Here are some of the league leaders.
Batting Average Al Simmons .332. Season leader Nap LaJoie .399
Runs Mickey Mantle 2371 Season best Lou Gehrig 147
Hits Nap Lajoie 4189 Season best 241 Nap Lajoie....happened in 1948, so injuries and fatigue were at low and moderate due to lack of players.
Doubles 970 Honus Wagner. Season best Hank Greenburg with 74
Triples Johnny Damon 159 Season best 29 Jeff Heath in 1948
Home Runs Hank Aaron 747. Aaron is 38 and still active. Season best Lou Gehrig with 66 in 2006. Prior to the roid years, the highest was 62 by Ken Griffey in 1987.
RBI Hank Aaron 2200. Season best 167 Lou Gehrig in 2006.
Stolen Bases Eddie Collins with 858. Collins is still active, but he's 41years old. Season best 85 by John McGraw
WAR Mickey Mantle 151.93 Season best Honus Wagner 13.29

Wins Walter Johnson 391 Season best Stan Coveleski and Greg Maddux with 29. Amazing thing is, Maddux got his 29 wins in 2002.
Losses Bert Blyleven 280 Season worst 24 by Larry Dierker.
Saves 461 by John Edelman Yeah, this ones flat out bizarre. Season best is 52 by Pat Neshek.
Strikeouts Walter Johnson with 5430. Season best Rube Waddell with 388
WAR Walter Johnson 146.40 Season best Greg Maddux 12.89

Nap Lajoie is the only 4000 hit guy. There are 24 players total with 3000 hits.

Aaron is the only player with 700+ home runs. There are 6 players with 600+ home runs. 12 with 500+. 30 with 400+

4 players have driven in 2000+ runs

4 pitchers have reached 300 wins. Walter Johnson with 391, Burt Blyleven 326, Curt Schilling with 308 and Warren Spahn with 304. 37 pitchers have 200+ wins.

Walter Johnson is the only member of the 5000 strikeout club. Rube Waddell and Bert Blyleven are the only members of the 4000 club. There are 19 members of the 3000 K club.

Pretty cool. Just another option one can use to play the game.

[Scoman]

Originally Posted by David Watts

For kicks last night I set up a random debut league starting in 1947. Standard historical setup. 3 year recalc, double weight. Development on as well. After around 5 or 6 year, I upped both short term and long term injuries to very high. Turned off coaching and scouting. I used pre-calc instead of auto calc. 130 TCR. All the development lab stuff turned off, as well as that draft combine thing. Minimum for players set to 1901. I fast simmed the league through history from 1947-2006. Cool thing is, my head didn't explode, my computer didn't stop working and in the end, it looks like Pre Calc is just another great option for playing this game.

Here are some of the league leaders.
Batting Average Al Simmons .332. Season leader Nap LaJoie .399
Runs Mickey Mantle 2371 Season best Lou Gehrig 147
Hits Nap Lajoie 4189 Season best 241 Nap Lajoie....happened in 1948, so injuries and fatigue were at low and moderate due to lack of players.
Doubles 970 Honus Wagner. Season best Hank Greenburg with 74
Triples Johnny Damon 159 Season best 29 Jeff Heath in 1948
Home Runs Hank Aaron 747. Aaron is 38 and still active. Season best Lou Gehrig with 66 in 2006. Prior to the roid years, the highest was 62 by Ken Griffey in 1987.
RBI Hank Aaron 2200. Season best 167 Lou Gehrig in 2006.
Stolen Bases Eddie Collins with 858. Collins is still active, but he's 41years old. Season best 85 by John McGraw
WAR Mickey Mantle 151.93 Season best Honus Wagner 13.29

Wins Walter Johnson 391 Season best Stan Coveleski and Greg Maddux with 29. Amazing thing is, Maddux got his 29 wins in 2002.
Losses Bert Blyleven 280 Season worst 24 by Larry Dierker.
Saves 461 by John Edelman Yeah, this ones flat out bizarre. Season best is 52 by Pat Neshek.
Strikeouts Walter Johnson with 5430. Season best Rube Waddell with 388
WAR Walter Johnson 146.40 Season best Greg Maddux 12.89

Nap Lajoie is the only 4000 hit guy. There are 24 players total with 3000 hits.

Aaron is the only player with 700+ home runs. There are 6 players with 600+ home runs. 12 with 500+. 30 with 400+

4 players have driven in 2000+ runs

4 pitchers have reached 300 wins. Walter Johnson with 391, Burt Blyleven 326, Curt Schilling with 308 and Warren Spahn with 304. 37 pitchers have 200+ wins.

Walter Johnson is the only member of the 5000 strikeout club. Rube Waddell and Bert Blyleven are the only members of the 4000 club. There are 19 members of the 3000 K club.

Pretty cool. Just another option one can use to play the game.

What were your fatigue settings?

[WhiskyTango]

Did you notice anything interesting re bench use, inseason FA signings as starter replacements, inseason trade increase, more 4A players? IOW, did it change the gameplay much or did you just log more injuries? Also would like to know fatigue settings.

[David Watts]

Originally Posted by WhiskyTango

Did you notice anything interesting re bench use, inseason FA signings as starter replacements, inseason trade increase, more 4A players? IOW, did it change the gameplay much or did you just log more injuries? Also would like to know fatigue settings.

Fatigue was set to high. This was a fast sim, so it was simming years at a time. Just wanted to see what kind of stats pre calc would provide.

[Brad K]

Originally Posted by David Watts

I'm also not a fan of using high fatigue. I want Yogi, Johnny and Mr. Freehan to catch more than 100 games a season. I tend to use moderate for fatigue.

I used high for 1980. Leaders by position catcher shows the following for games played.

Brian Downing 146
Darrell Porter 141
Ted Simmons 141
Butch Wynegar 141
Gary Allenson 138
Johnny Bench 138
John Wockenfuss 137
Ed Ptt 136
Mick Scioscia 135
Rick Dempsy 131

My save is on 25. I'm using 26 only for testing.

[David Watts]

Originally Posted by Brad K

I used high for 1980. Leaders by position catcher shows the following for games played.

Brian Downing 146
Darrell Porter 141
Ted Simmons 141
Butch Wynegar 141
Gary Allenson 138
Johnny Bench 138
John Wockenfuss 137
Ed Ptt 136
Mick Scioscia 135
Rick Dempsy 131

My save is on 25. I'm using 26 only for testing.

Is that Games started or does that include their pinch hit appearances too?

[David Watts]

Hank Aaron ended up hitting 850+ home runs, thinking it was 861. So, in the end, very high injuries and high fatigue isn't going to prevent folks from great career milestones. Lou Gehrig joined the 800 home run club as well.

[Brad K]

Originally Posted by David Watts

Is that Games started or does that include their pinch hit appearances too?

The section is leaders by position so it would make sense if the games listing was games played at that position. It's not. Here is the list with GS added.

Brian Downing 146 120
Darrell Porter 141 125
Ted Simmons 141 121
Butch Wynegar 141 121
Gary Allenson 138 122
Johnny Bench 138 117
John Wockenfuss 137 123
Ed Ott 136 120
Mick Scioscia 135 120
Rick Dempsy 131 121

[Brad K]

I'm back from a very enjoyable vacation. I bet some people here also enjoyed my vacation! LOL.

Looking around the board there are some interesting posts. Someone wants to create a league with output substantially different than historic. He asked what player ratings to change. He was told to change the modifiers rather than the ratings.

Someone else has a league performing far from historic. He was told to run auto-calc.

Clearly some people understand what auto-calc and modifiers do. It's time to get the information out to everyone by implementing my suggestions for in game descriptions of settings.

[Brad K]

It was a good idea to tell some people to stop posting to this thread. Those who didn't understand the data and posted only opinions and insults hurt OOTP, especially those known to be closely associated with OOTP.

However the ignore the thread policy is a mistake. This is a popular thread. My last post generated 118 reads in the first eight hours. Many people know reality and check the thread to see if OOTP will act on reality.

Nobody has disproved my data. And the ignore policy says no one can. Since reality is known by many, every day of delay in implementing my suggestions creates more harm for OOTP.

The solution is the same as it was on the stink about minor leaguers getting a performance boost from potential: acknowledge, explain, and provide options.

[Battman]

Kind of off topic but I am using recalc while playing the 1970's decade. It is not an 'As Played' save. I would like to move Pete Rose to 3B in 1973, even though he didn't actually make the move until 1975. I am assuming I would have to use him at 3B in spring training, but will any ratings carry over to the next year, or will it start over from scratch?

[Brad K]

Originally Posted by Battman

Kind of off topic but I am using recalc while playing the 1970's decade. It is not an 'As Played' save. I would like to move Pete Rose to 3B in 1973, even though he didn't actually make the move until 1975. I am assuming I would have to use him at 3B in spring training, but will any ratings carry over to the next year, or will it start over from scratch?

At least through 25 ratings of learned positions carry over except as affected by recalc changes in the base ratings (Range, Arm, Error) for the category (IF, OF, C). I've only used 26 for testing so I can't say for sure on that.

You will be unable to train Rose to play 3B unless he has some base IF ratings. Also, to train in ST you have to turn recalc off and development must be on. The ability to learn new positions in ST was greatly reduced for 25 when the Dev Lab was introduced.

[Battman]

Originally Posted by Brad K

At least through 25 ratings of learned positions carry over except as affected by recalc changes in the base ratings (Range, Arm, Error) for the category (IF, OF, C). I've only used 26 for testing so I can't say for sure on that.

You will be unable to train Rose to play 3B unless he has some base IF ratings. Also, to train in ST you have to turn recalc off and development must be on. The ability to learn new positions in ST was greatly reduced for 25 when the Dev Lab was introduced.

Thank you for the response!!!!

[Brad K]

Originally Posted by Battman

Thank you for the response!!!!

Clarification. The reduction in ability to learn positions in ST is reduced only when recalc is on during ST. Turning the Dev Lab off does not change this. (OOTP 25 info, not verified on 26.)

[Brad K]

There's been a change in OOTP! Sort of.

I suppose any amount of progress is better than none. There's an addition to the page where modifiers are selected. The new part is underlined.





What is disappointing about this change is what is omitted. It states far less than what is already in the OOTP Wiki. It's also vague. Why hold back on in game documentation?

In the Accuracy Settings section HERE the Wiki states concerning auto-calc

"This will ensure the highest level of accuracy to the totals, but it will also hide outliers. For example, if the league has an influx of power hitters, the auto-calc may aggressively lower the HR modifier to ensure the league totals come out accurately."

This is correct except for the phrase "auto-calc may aggressively lower". "May" means "will".

In the same section it is stated "Auto-calc may change some league settings, in order to avoid having modifiers that deviate far from the defaults". What league settings are these? Why, League Strategy settings, of course!

Except it doesn't change League Strategy settings. It gets the same effect by changing the modifiers. And "will" not "may" applies. After the season if auto import of new years settings is enabled, then the strategy settings change.

"Accuracy" has a special and limited meaning in this section. It refers to league totals, not to individual players.

Including a summary of the information already in the Wiki in the game screens would be an improvement. A bigger improvement would be including all the suggestions I've made concerning additions to various in game screens.

[Battman]

Another slightly off topic question - the best way is to just give an example. Willie Stargell started 101 games at 1B in 1972, but 0 in 1973. With re-calc on, will the 1B rating carry over to 1973, or do I need to shop for a new 1Bman? (maybe Ted Simmons can play 1B for me next year?!?)

[Brad K]

One year recalc doesn't apply to fielding. It is set separately. I have always used three year for fielding. Using that Stargell keeps a 1B rating for 1973. I don't know if he would have a 1B rating on one year. I've never tried it.

He hit 44 HRs in 1973. You're going to play him somewhere.

[Brad K]

Maybe the view is that putting additional information on the game screens makes them too cluttered. But at least lets have the official documentation of the game, the OOTP Wiki, give correct and complete information.

We have the following information presented HERE in the Wiki concerning League Strategy settings

General Strategic Tendencies enable you to customize the 'style of baseball' that your league plays. Most options have five settings to choose from: Very Rarely, Rarely, Normal, Often, or Very Often. Exceptions are noted below.

This is incomplete and leads to an incorrect conclusion. It needs an additional paragraph.

Some of these settings have no effect when auto-calc is selected. They are: Pitcher Stamina, Stealing Bases, Hit & Run, Bunting (Batters), Bunting (Pitchers), Ban Infield Shifts, Infield Shifts, and Catcher Framing Impact. If you want a change in these strategies to affect league output, please use pre-calc.

Suggestions for improvement appreciated. Should there be a disclaimer it is unknown if the other settings work? I don't know either way. Does anyone? Thank you!

[jpeters1734]

You should summarize what we’ve learned in a new post. No one is reading all of this

[Scoman]

Originally Posted by jpeters1734

You should summarize what we’ve learned in a new post. No one is reading all of this

And it would be nice if someone from the Official OOTPD historical team would chime in and verify.