I'm not familar with ootp5, but is this possible? - Page 2

Markus Heinsohn · 12-15-2003, 04:06 AM

Sorry, but this guy cheats... no way to get above 44 million except for editing!

crackpott · 12-15-2003, 04:23 AM

...damn it markus, I just spent the last hour proving that it was edited.

Anyway, just so that my work wasn't useless....

a team jumped from 15M to 39M if they go from lowest possible market to highest - a jump of 24M. Thing is, OOTP would never increase from the lowest to the highest anyway. What's funny is even if it did, the revenue increase would STILL be lower.

Secondly, as markus said, you can't get it above 44 no matter how hard you try.

Some say to "quietly excuse yourself from the league" but I feel that's the case if you just "think" he cheated without evidence (It's wrong to bring down a commish just off a hunch, yet you shouldn't be in a league if you think you're cheating.) However if you KNOW he is (Word from Markus.. how much more official can you get?) I think you have a responsibility to let the other owners know. Even if it's merely pointing to this thread. You don't need to argue or anything, merely resign and link to this as the reason.

Dargone · 12-15-2003, 04:37 AM

I don't understand why so many people cheat in online leagues?!? To be honest it has kept me from joining a league, even though I've been playing OOTP for years now. I did join one league when version 5 was released but it folded a week later after the owner started another league...

crackpott · 12-15-2003, 05:39 AM

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Originally posted by Dargone
I don't understand why so many people cheat in online leagues?!? To be honest it has kept me from joining a league, even though I've been playing OOTP for years now. I did join one league when version 5 was released but it folded a week later after the owner started another league...

Here's an idea... join a league with someone you know and trust around the OOTP boards.

ctorg · 12-15-2003, 09:05 AM

Sounds like you've got a cheatin' commish.

jaxmagicman · 12-15-2003, 09:44 AM

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Originally posted by Markus Heinsohn
Sorry, but this guy cheats... no way to get above 44 million except for editing!

Guess no question about it.

dbacks · 12-15-2003, 09:51 AM

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Originally posted by Markus Heinsohn
Sorry, but this guy cheats... no way to get above 44 million except for editing!

Thought so...

fhomess · 12-15-2003, 10:45 AM

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Originally posted by Dargone
I don't understand why so many people cheat in online leagues?!? To be honest it has kept me from joining a league, even though I've been playing OOTP for years now. I did join one league when version 5 was released but it folded a week later after the owner started another league...

There really are quite a few leagues with honest commishes and owners. If you don't trust a commish who also owns a team, look for leagues like the DDB where the commish doesn't own a team. Leagues that have been around for a few seasons are more likely to keep going than ones that have folded. They're also less likely to be run by cheaters. I've found the online league experience to be more than worth the trouble of finding good leagues.

ctorg · 12-15-2003, 11:57 AM

If I had good internet access at home, which I don't, I would run my own online OOTP league. It would be completely honest and I would not run any team in the league. I would operate solely as commissioner.

I don't see why guys who are commishes feel the need to play the part of a team in their own league anyway.

jaxmagicman · 12-15-2003, 12:12 PM

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Originally posted by Kaelcarp
If I had good internet access at home, which I don't, I would run my own online OOTP league. It would be completely honest and I would not run any team in the league. I would operate solely as commissioner.

I don't see why guys who are commishes feel the need to play the part of a team in their own league anyway.

I agree, if I knew how to run a league, I would start one as a commish only. But nobody can answer my questions on where to start. There is just too much question when a commish runs a team. God forbid the team does well.

Henry · 12-15-2003, 12:14 PM

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Originally posted by Kaelcarp
If I had good internet access at home, which I don't, I would run my own online OOTP league. It would be completely honest and I would not run any team in the league. I would operate solely as commissioner.

I don't see why guys who are commishes feel the need to play the part of a team in their own league anyway.

In all fairness, commissioners like to manage too. Yes, they could do it in another league - but most of us have time constraints and it's easier to run a team in the legue your already commish of.

The issue is really, and only, honesty. Those commissioners out there that understand honesty always give that to their memebers. Those that are too focused on winning, bend to the temptations of "having control".

Take the time to find a league with an honest commisioner - and it won't make a bit of difference if he owns a team or not

henry

ctorg · 12-15-2003, 12:19 PM

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Originally posted by Henry
In all fairness, commissioners like to manage too. Yes, they could do it in another league - but most of us have time constraints and it's easier to run a team in the legue your already commish of.

The issue is really, and only, honesty. Those commissioners out there that understand honesty always give that to their memebers. Those that are too focused on winning, bend to the temptations of "having control".

Take the time to find a league with an honest commisioner - and it won't make a bit of difference if he owns a team or not

henry

Oh, I know there are honest commissioners out there. And I understand that commishes like to manage. It's just that it's kind of like playing a game of Dungeons & Dragons (for all you geeks out there) and letting the DM play a character.

I wouldn't want to manage a team in a league in which I'm a commish. I don't doubt that there are honest commishes out there who do it well, but if I ran a league, I wouldn't. It's the only way everyone can be sure.

Bluenoser · 12-15-2003, 12:40 PM

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Originally posted by Kaelcarp
Oh, I know there are honest commissioners out there. And I understand that commishes like to manage. It's just that it's kind of like playing a game of Dungeons & Dragons (for all you geeks out there) and letting the DM play a character.

I wouldn't want to manage a team in a league in which I'm a commish. I don't doubt that there are honest commishes out there who do it well, but if I ran a league, I wouldn't. It's the only way everyone can be sure.

Hmmm, and exactly how can you ever be 100% sure? Just because a commish doesn't own a team means he won't cheat? Just because he doesn't own a team means he won't help a buddy out? And yes, this has happened.

I agree with Henry, it comes down to honesty. Whether or not the Commish runs a team is irrelevant. Either he's honest or he isn't.

Personally I'd be hesitant to join a league where the Commish doesn't own a team for fear he'd get bored and quit after a couple seasons.

This subject of Commish owning/not owning a team has been discussed many times in other threads with the same opinions as here.

jaxmagicman · 12-15-2003, 12:42 PM

The problem with a commish owning a team is that when his team is successful--which it probably will be because if you are commissing then you probably have played the game and are used to it-- there are going to be questions in some owners minds. I myself try not to question stuff, but when I start to see the Commishes team in the playoffs every year and no matter what I do I cannot come within 10 games of him, I start to wonder. I am other people wonder. And like sixto said at the begginning why be in a league where you think the commish is cheating.

Bluenoser · 12-15-2003, 12:50 PM

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Originally posted by jaxmagicman
The problem with a commish owning a team is that when his team is successful--which it probably will be because if you are commissing then you probably have played the game and are used to it-- there are going to be questions in some owners minds.

Again, if anyone sees this as a "problem". then I have to ask......what are they doing in the league in the first place? Just as I'd be hesitant to join a league where the Commish doesn't own a team, if I was a Commish I also wouldn't hesitate to throw out an owner who was constantly questioning my honesty. Different strokes for different folks, but for me an online league is about fun and commaraderie. All else plays 2nd fiddle, including winning.

sporr · 12-15-2003, 12:56 PM

Strangely enough, I spend less time on the team in the league I commish than I do with my teams in other leagues, probably because I don't want to be a bad owner in anybody else's league.

As for the cheating aspect, it comes down to trust whether or not a commish owns a team in the league. You could argue it several ways. You may have to worry about a league in which the commish doesn't own a team because he may have less of an investment in the league continuing.

I think that you'll find that a good commish will go out of his way to make sure there isn't any appearance of cheating on his part. For my league, I always tell the league exactly what happened if someone unexpected pops up. If you are up front with your owners and give everyone a fair shake, then that goes a long way towards building trust with them.

Randall · 12-15-2003, 01:19 PM

OK, I HAVE to ask...
Any change the commish's name is mfitter?

ctorg · 12-15-2003, 01:59 PM

Good points here.

I can see why commishes who don't have a team in the league would be more likely to drop the league, so I can understand that fear.

But I think what jax said is true, too. Any time a commish's team does well, people may get suspicious.

I guess both sides have their strengths and weaknesses, and you have to pick your poison.

blainer · 12-15-2003, 02:12 PM

What you should do is show everyone else in the league this thread. Then arrange to have everyone trade all of their best players to one team.

After the commish is completely confused and complains, then everyone can quit.

obaslg · 12-15-2003, 02:39 PM

If you and the others like the league, why not have a coup? As long as you have the league zip, you can just continue the league. We in FAST had a friendly takeover (the founder just bit off more than he could chew), and that was years ago.

12-15-2003, 04:23 AM	#22
crackpott Hall Of Famer Join Date: Dec 2001 Location: Toronto Posts: 2,961	...damn it markus, I just spent the last hour proving that it was edited. Anyway, just so that my work wasn't useless.... a team jumped from 15M to 39M if they go from lowest possible market to highest - a jump of 24M. Thing is, OOTP would never increase from the lowest to the highest anyway. What's funny is even if it did, the revenue increase would STILL be lower. Secondly, as markus said, you can't get it above 44 no matter how hard you try. Some say to "quietly excuse yourself from the league" but I feel that's the case if you just "think" he cheated without evidence (It's wrong to bring down a commish just off a hunch, yet you shouldn't be in a league if you think you're cheating.) However if you KNOW he is (Word from Markus.. how much more official can you get?) I think you have a responsibility to let the other owners know. Even if it's merely pointing to this thread. You don't need to argue or anything, merely resign and link to this as the reason. __________________ Abandoned Planet - Check it out. The photos don't suck anymore.

12-15-2003, 04:37 AM	#23
Dargone Hall Of Famer Join Date: Feb 2002 Location: Interwebs Posts: 2,862	I don't understand why so many people cheat in online leagues?!? To be honest it has kept me from joining a league, even though I've been playing OOTP for years now. I did join one league when version 5 was released but it folded a week later after the owner started another league... __________________ I was never one to patiently pick up broken fragments and glue them together again and tell myself that the mended whole was as good as new. What is broken is broken -- and I'd rather remember it as it was at its best than mend it and see the broken places as long as I lived.-Margaret Mitchell

12-15-2003, 09:05 AM	#25
ctorg Global Moderator Join Date: Nov 2002 Location: Queens, NY Posts: 9,848	Sounds like you've got a cheatin' commish. __________________ My music "When the trees blow back and forth, that's what makes the wind." - Steven Wright Fjord emena pancreas thorax fornicate marmalade morpheme proteolysis smaxa cabana offal srue vitriol grope hallelujah lentils

12-15-2003, 11:57 AM	#29
ctorg Global Moderator Join Date: Nov 2002 Location: Queens, NY Posts: 9,848	If I had good internet access at home, which I don't, I would run my own online OOTP league. It would be completely honest and I would not run any team in the league. I would operate solely as commissioner. I don't see why guys who are commishes feel the need to play the part of a team in their own league anyway. __________________ My music "When the trees blow back and forth, that's what makes the wind." - Steven Wright Fjord emena pancreas thorax fornicate marmalade morpheme proteolysis smaxa cabana offal srue vitriol grope hallelujah lentils

12-15-2003, 12:42 PM	#34
jaxmagicman Hall Of Famer Join Date: Jun 2003 Location: Retired defloration-maker living in Myrtle Beach, SC Posts: 7,801	The problem with a commish owning a team is that when his team is successful--which it probably will be because if you are commissing then you probably have played the game and are used to it-- there are going to be questions in some owners minds. I myself try not to question stuff, but when I start to see the Commishes team in the playoffs every year and no matter what I do I cannot come within 10 games of him, I start to wonder. I am other people wonder. And like sixto said at the begginning why be in a league where you think the commish is cheating. __________________ See ID Major League Baseball trademarks and copyrights are used with permission of MLB Advanced Media, L.P. Minor League Baseball trademarks and copyrights are used with the permission of Minor League Baseball. All rights reserved.

12-15-2003, 04:06 AM	#21
Markus Heinsohn Developer OOTP Join Date: Dec 2001 Location: Germany Posts: 24,803	Sorry, but this guy cheats... no way to get above 44 million except for editing!

12-15-2003, 12:56 PM	#36
sporr Global Moderator Join Date: Dec 2001 Location: Muscatine, IA Posts: 8,277	Strangely enough, I spend less time on the team in the league I commish than I do with my teams in other leagues, probably because I don't want to be a bad owner in anybody else's league. As for the cheating aspect, it comes down to trust whether or not a commish owns a team in the league. You could argue it several ways. You may have to worry about a league in which the commish doesn't own a team because he may have less of an investment in the league continuing. I think that you'll find that a good commish will go out of his way to make sure there isn't any appearance of cheating on his part. For my league, I always tell the league exactly what happened if someone unexpected pops up. If you are up front with your owners and give everyone a fair shake, then that goes a long way towards building trust with them.

12-15-2003, 01:19 PM	#37
Randall Major Leagues Join Date: Jul 2003 Location: VA Posts: 321	OK, I HAVE to ask... Any change the commish's name is mfitter? __________________ Randall FORT - Atlanta Braves CPL - Pittsburg Pirates Formerly NABL - Philadelphia Phillies Formerly GMC - Vasto Rangers Formerly NBA - Atlanta Braves - 1973 Champ Formerly ThePBL - Anaheim Angels - 1975 Champ

12-15-2003, 01:59 PM	#38
ctorg Global Moderator Join Date: Nov 2002 Location: Queens, NY Posts: 9,848	Good points here. I can see why commishes who don't have a team in the league would be more likely to drop the league, so I can understand that fear. But I think what jax said is true, too. Any time a commish's team does well, people may get suspicious. I guess both sides have their strengths and weaknesses, and you have to pick your poison. __________________ My music "When the trees blow back and forth, that's what makes the wind." - Steven Wright Fjord emena pancreas thorax fornicate marmalade morpheme proteolysis smaxa cabana offal srue vitriol grope hallelujah lentils

12-15-2003, 02:12 PM	#39
blainer Bat Boy Join Date: Feb 2002 Location: DC Posts: 14	What you should do is show everyone else in the league this thread. Then arrange to have everyone trade all of their best players to one team. After the commish is completely confused and complains, then everyone can quit.

12-15-2003, 02:39 PM	#40
obaslg All Star Reserve Join Date: Dec 2001 Posts: 887	If you and the others like the league, why not have a coup? As long as you have the league zip, you can just continue the league. We in FAST had a friendly takeover (the founder just bit off more than he could chew), and that was years ago. __________________ Realy good musition of many insterments, including the hyperbolic vitriol.