Officials take away winner's medal for post race celebration

[Cobra Mgr]

I fail to see how it is unsportsmanlike when the race was over & she didn't do it in anyone's face.

[CONN CHRIS]

I brushed by the facts and can't imagine that there is more to the story such that it would change my mind. A bunch of race officials need a huge boot driven way up their asses.

[Syd Thrift]

There is, quite frankly, also a level of "ladies shouldn't behave like this" to this situation. And she did spray a fire extinguisher around. Those cost money! Okay, there's no good reason, only a whole bunch of bad ones that surround misogyny at best and perhaps some inborn racism at worst.

ETA: apparently the fire extinguisher thing was an homage to Maurice Greene "putting out his shoes" in the 2004 Olympic Games.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tSt0...nnel=NBCSports scroll forward to 2 minutes in or so

Are you kidding me right now, state of California?

[Cobra Mgr]

If anyone is missing a fire poker, I suggest you look up the rectum of these track officials.

[Déjà Bru]

This is a tough one and I am on the fence about it.

Athletes should win without making unseemly demonstrations. One definition of sportsmanship is "fair and generous behavior or treatment of others, especially in a sports contest". That means refraining from celebrating one's perceived greatness to the point where one is humiliating defeated opponents.

[And I don't care if you, reader, don't care about other people's feelings. You should and I do.]

On the other hand, it's just a dumb kid who did something dumb. It was just shooting off a fire extinguisher in an act that wasn't even original. Nobody was hurt, physically or emotionally. But it's the idea. What's next, lobbing cherry bombs?

The punishment does seem out of proportion to the infraction. Yet in this case, what other penalty for this misconduct can there be?

[Amazin69]

Perhaps simply a fine, or suspension from the next race? Punishment without tarnishing the accomplishment.

[Cobra Mgr]

Originally Posted by Déjà Bru

[And I don't care if you, reader, don't care about other people's feelings. You should and I do.]

This right here I take issue w/. The main reason why there are so many spoiled, entitled, busybody, bossy, mentally disordered control freaks out there is because we the sane have spent too much time catering to the freak outs of the Karens and Kens in the population. Thus, they think the world is supposed to submit to their version of right and wrong. It isn't a matter or morality. It is a matter of opinion, preference, choice.

If X doesn't like Y using their own fire extinguisher for a prop, you know what kind of problem that is? An X problem. Not a Y problem, not an I problem, not a U problem. The rest of the world shouldn't have to sacrifice themselves and their own sense of what they deem decent to please the immature feelings of some clown who has an overblown perception of their own code of conduct. X can pout about it all they want. Grow up. Or be miserable at the rest of the planet not acquiescing to their selfish wishes.

They have no right to impose their sense of right & wrong onto the freedom of others.

[Déjà Bru]

Originally Posted by Amazin69

Perhaps simply a fine, or suspension from the next race? Punishment without tarnishing the accomplishment.

The bolded. That would have been more appropriate. Kids don't pay fines, their parents do.

Originally Posted by Cobra Mgr

This right here I take issue w/. The main reason why there are so many spoiled, entitled, busybody, bossy, mentally disordered control freaks out there is because we the sane have spent too much time catering to the freak outs of the Karens and Kens in the population. Thus, they think the world is supposed to submit to their version of right and wrong. It isn't a matter or morality. It is a matter of opinion, preference, choice.

If X doesn't like Y using their own fire extinguisher for a prop, you know what kind of problem that is? An X problem. Not a Y problem, not an I problem, not a U problem. The rest of the world shouldn't have to sacrifice themselves and their own sense of what they deem decent to please the immature feelings of some clown who has an overblown perception of their own code of conduct. X can pout about it all they want. Grow up. Or be miserable at the rest of the planet not acquiescing to their selfish wishes.

They have no right to impose their sense of right & wrong onto the freedom of others.

There's gray area all over this. Both X and Y could be wrong and be the problem, particularly these days. You are right, of course, in your slant but I go back to the basics where everyone is courteous to everybody, or should try to be. That is the basis of sportsmanship.

[Cobra Mgr]

Originally Posted by Déjà Bru

The bolded. That would have been more appropriate. Kids don't pay fines, their parents do.

There's gray area all over this. Both X and Y could be wrong and be the problem, particularly these days. You are right, of course, in your slant but I go back to the basics where everyone is courteous to everybody, or should try to be. That is the basis of sportsmanship.

What is discourteous about celebrating reaching a hard earned goal? Why does any potential hurt feelings trump her feelings of elation? What makes their wishes more important than hers?

[dsvitak]

Originally Posted by Cobra Mgr

What is discourteous about celebrating reaching a hard earned goal? Why does any potential hurt feelings trump her feelings of elation? What makes their wishes more important than hers?

So..maybe she can smash out the windows in every car in the parking lot to celebrate!

I mean...HER wishes are WAY more important than theirs. Sheesh...

Edit to add...disrespect is just that. It is NOT OK, and never WILL be OK, and no amount of tortured logic will ever MAKE it OK.

[Déjà Bru]

It's all in the degree. Fist-punching the air is natural, despite its connotation. Nobody gets insulted (except Ken and Karen perhaps) when a winner lifts his or her arms in the air in exultation.

But taking an obvious and recent example that easily comes to mind of stuff that is insulting was Haliburton's choking gesture after his amazing shot. Instead of exulting, he was insulting. Sure, the fans are probably all over his case before then, but two wrongs don't make a right. Haliburton was saying that the Knicks were chokers. Rather insulting, I would say.

And no one will ever convince me that having some concern for the feelings of others is not a good thing. Today, saying so sounds incredibly namby-pamby but it's core to having a good society and common bonds.

[Cobra Mgr]

Originally Posted by Déjà Bru

It's all in the degree. Fist-punching the air is natural, despite its connotation. Nobody gets insulted (except Ken and Karen perhaps) when a winner lifts his or her arms in the air in exultation.

But taking an obvious and recent example that easily comes to mind of stuff that is insulting was Haliburton's choking gesture after his amazing shot. Instead of exulting, he was insulting. Sure, the fans are probably all over his case before then, but two wrongs don't make a right. Haliburton was saying that the Knicks were chokers. Rather insulting, I would say.

And no one will ever convince me that having some concern for the feelings of others is not a good thing. Today, saying so sounds incredibly namby-pamby but it's core to having a good society and common bonds.

I'm not referring to the choke thing. You're right. The object is not to celebrate in that case. But I don't care. Cause I know the abuse athletes have to take. Everyone zeroes in on the player's reaction instead of the antagonist's actions. I figure everyone is reaping what they sowed & karma will bite everyone in the @$$ at some point. Including Tyrese.

How was the extinguisher putting it into the face of her opponents?

I saw this tweet right here today. After all that practice and hard work why should anyone be reserved when all that pays off? If any official or competitor can't appreciate that, I have no sympathy for 'em. Grow up & stop being such a whiny baby.

[Déjà Bru]

Originally Posted by Cobra Mgr

How was the extinguisher putting it into the face of her opponents?

I saw this tweet right here today. After all that practice and hard work why should anyone be reserved when all that pays off? If any official or competitor can't appreciate that, I have no sympathy for 'em. Grow up & stop being such a whiny baby.

It could be that officials are trying to put a damper on sports celebrations in general for the reasons that I have stated. I think we all agree that the punishment does not fit the "crime" in this case and that the officials should have found something milder, such A69's suggestion of a one-race suspension. It's the severity that is the problem here, not the idea behind it, in my opinion.

[Cobra Mgr]

Originally Posted by Déjà Bru

It could be that officials are trying to put a damper on sports celebrations in general for the reasons that I have stated.

It's not a good reason. Not enough to impose one person's will upon another. As long as my actions doesn't do any harm, no one has a right to curb my enthusiasm.

[Syd Thrift]

Originally Posted by dsvitak

So..maybe she can smash out the windows in every car in the parking lot to celebrate!

I mean...HER wishes are WAY more important than theirs. Sheesh...

Edit to add...disrespect is just that. It is NOT OK, and never WILL be OK, and no amount of tortured logic will ever MAKE it OK.

lmao she didn't do anything close to smashing out the windows of one car. She used a fire extinguisher to put out her shoes as an homage to a US gold medal winning sprinter in the 2004 Olympics. This isn't even close to an act of vandalism. Like at worst make her pay for a new fire extinguisher...

Not only can I say that this wouldn't have happened if it was a boy, when a man did this in the Olympic Games they didn't do anything to him. No bans, no fines, they didn't even make him pay for the fire extinguisher. But ladies should be more ladylike!!!

[Cobra Mgr]

Originally Posted by Syd Thrift

lmao she didn't do anything close to smashing out the windows of one car. She used a fire extinguisher to put out her shoes as an homage to a US gold medal winning sprinter in the 2004 Olympics. This isn't even close to an act of vandalism. Like at worst make her pay for a new fire extinguisher...

Not only can I say that this wouldn't have happened if it was a boy, when a man did this in the Olympic Games they didn't do anything to him. No bans, no fines, they didn't even make him pay for the fire extinguisher. But ladies should be more ladylike!!!

Was dsvitak replying to me? I thought this dude was blocking me.

[dsvitak]

Originally Posted by Cobra Mgr

Was dsvitak replying to me? I thought this dude was blocking me.

Naw...you are WAY too entertaining for me to block you. Sorry dude.

[Déjà Bru]

Originally Posted by dsvitak

Naw...you are WAY too entertaining for me to block you. Sorry dude.

You cannot block him. He is the Energizer Bunny of these forums! I value the guy, even though I disagree with him at times.

[Cobra Mgr]

Originally Posted by Déjà Bru

You cannot block him. He is the Energizer Bunny of these forums! I value the guy, even though I disagree with him at times.

Oh well. I blocked him. I can only read him if somebody quotes him. I thought the feelings were mutual.

[Déjà Bru]

Originally Posted by Cobra Mgr

Oh well. I blocked him. I can only read him if somebody quotes him. I thought the feelings were mutual.

Then unblock him and both of you guys knock off the nonsense. ()