2025 NFL Offseason thread

[Ragnar]

Originally Posted by Amazin69

Well, technically the Steelers have no QBs at the moment. (Fields has gone to the Jets, and Russ is a free agent, allegedly considering Cleveland and the Giants as possibilities.)

So yes, Rodgers is better than literally nobody. Even I am better than that.

(I work cheap, Steelers! 1 year, $5 million. See, already I'm a better bargain than Zach Wilson!)

Last I checked, the Steelers had Skyler Thompson and Mason Rudolph at QB.

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Originally Posted by Ragnar

Last I checked, the Steelers had Skyler Thompson and Mason Rudolph at QB.

So yeah, nobody.

[Amazin69]

Originally Posted by Ragnar

Last I checked, the Steelers had Skyler Thompson and Mason Rudolph at QB.

Whoops, I seem to have breezed past Thompson on Steelers.com, where they still haven't updated yesterday's Rudolph signing.

I think I can be forgiven for needing more that six hours to catch up on the latest Mason Rudolph news, though.

[Ragnar]

I would think at this point Rodgers wants to win. He doesn't need money. If he goes to the Giants, then he's not serious about winning. I'm guessing he goes to the Steelers if they want him.

[Déjà Bru]

The article title says it all,

Jameis Winston is just a placeholder; the Giants’ fate rests on their next QB decision

but I will add this shot:

The 31-year-old Winston has had a roller-coaster career, but he should be an upgrade over the abysmal quarterback play the Giants have received over the past two seasons from Daniel Jones and a cast of others.

God, yes.




EDIT: For one thing, this guy may bring back an element of fun to New York pro football.

Winston, the No. 1 pick in 2015, parlayed a one-year run in Cleveland into a two-year, $8 million contract with the Giants worth up to $16 million with incentives, according to a team source, giving him another chance to bring his fun-loving persona and mercurial playing style to his fourth NFL team.

Nice.

[Syd Thrift]

He’s a different kind of bad. Maybe he’s calmed down from throwing 30 picks in a season (although the small samples he’s started since then indicate otherwise) but where Danny Dimes just wasn’t very good, Winston has some arm talent but takes way too many risks.

[Déjà Bru]

Originally Posted by Syd Thrift

He’s a different kind of bad. Maybe he’s calmed down from throwing 30 picks in a season (although the small samples he’s started since then indicate otherwise) but where Danny Dimes just wasn’t very good, Winston has some arm talent but takes way too many risks.

If you clicked through to their earlier article about him, they say he made a case for himself in seven and a half games filling in for Deshaun Watson, "recording totals of 2,121 yards, 13 touchdowns and 12 interceptions while taking 24 sacks" for a Cleveland Browns team that went 3-14. If (a big "if") the Giants can provide him with better talent, perhaps we may be pleasantly surprised. I see what you mean, though: His career INT% is a bit high.

[Syd Thrift]

Originally Posted by Déjà Bru

If you clicked through to their earlier article about him, they say he made a case for himself in seven and a half games filling in for Deshaun Watson, "recording totals of 2,121 yards, 13 touchdowns and 12 interceptions while taking 24 sacks" for a Cleveland Browns team that went 3-14. If (a big "if") the Giants can provide him with better talent, perhaps we may be pleasantly surprised. I see what you mean, though: His career INT% is a bit high.

Right, the 12 picks is what gives me pause. It's not "a bit" high, it's "would still lead the league in turnovers if you let him start", and IIRC the advanced stats say he's right up there in turnover worthy plays as a percentage as well.

[Ragnar]

Originally Posted by Déjà Bru

The article title says it all,

Jameis Winston is just a placeholder; the Giants’ fate rests on their next QB decision

but I will add this shot:

God, yes.

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EDIT: For one thing, this guy may bring back an element of fun to New York pro football.


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Nice.

Winston is the kind of QB you sign to back up your franchise QB in case he's out for a few games. He may hold down the fort. He's not a QB you sign to start for you because he's better than garbage. All you accomplish is a worst draft position. Going from a 2-3 win team to a 5-8 win team is not a good thing.

[LD84]

Considering what the Giants have had, he is a bit of a an upgrade.

And this is a bad QB draft. For the Giants, you have a few goals.

Keep collecting draft assets, clean up your books, keep Malik Nabers happy and be bad again so that you can have another chance to draft a QB.

Jameis fulfils most of that. You will have a decent passing attack and he will get Nabers lots of targets.

The turnovers will kill you, but your franchise is not going anywhere anytime soon anyways, so he is a perfect bridge QB

[Amazin69]

Originally Posted by LD84

Considering what the Giants have had, he is a bit of a an upgrade.

And this is a bad QB draft. For the Giants, you have a few goals.

Keep collecting draft assets, clean up your books, keep Malik Nabers happy and be bad again so that you can have another chance to draft a QB.

Jameis fulfils most of that. You will have a decent passing attacks and he will get Nabers lots of targets.

The turnovers will kill you, but your franchise is not going anywhere anytime soon anyways, so he is a perfect bridge QB

The Giants should also take a shot on Day 3 at whatever QBs are left. Is Dillon Gabriel screwed because he's only 5'11", even though he really knows how to run an offense? Was Jaxson Dart too system-dependent? Can gunslinger Kyle McCord be cured of his turnover dangers?

Who knows, but maybe you find the next sleeper, without wasting a #1 pick. And if not, it's a 5th round pick or whatever.

[Déjà Bru]

Originally Posted by LD84

Considering what the Giants have had, he is a bit of a an upgrade.

And this is a bad QB draft. For the Giants, you have a few goals.

Keep collecting draft assets, clean up your books, keep Malik Nabers happy and be bad again so that you can have another chance to draft a QB.

Jameis fulfils most of that. You will have a decent passing attacks and he will get Nabers lots of targets.

The turnovers will kill you, but your franchise is not going anywhere anytime soon anyways, so he is a perfect bridge QB

+1, particularly bolded.

The Giants at #3 have no chance at Cam Ward unless they trade their lungs (in particular, Nabers) to move up to the first position. I am not thrilled with Shedeur Sanders but that is whom they have the Giants picking in Yahoo Sports' latest mock draft.

I would rather they do as you suggest; go for other assets to surround Winston with, especially an offensive line, and look to future drafts for a QB.

Are they speculating yet who will be in the 2026 draft?

[Syd Thrift]

Well, they’re signing Russell Wilson, who isn’t so great either but he’s miles better than Winston and if they do draft Sanders they can (at least in theory) sit him for a season and let him learn the game. The biggest knock on Sanders is that he plays hero ball too much and while Wilson isn’t exactly free from that, he at least doesn’t throw a ton of picks while he’s doing so (instead he takes sacks, which, he should probably pass Aaron Rodgers as the most sacked quarterback of all time some time this season).

This being the Giants I wholly expect them to hand the job to Sanders in training camp and then look aghast when he looks like Johnny Manziell. Still, at least in theory this is a good move…

[LD84]

I would rather run Jameis out there for 17 weeks.

Wilson is so washed. He has turned into a late career Flacco. His two moves are connect on a deep ball one our of every four throws, or hope for a PI.

It is just a one year deal. But kind of dumb by the Giants.

Pittsburgh saw him for 11 games and wanted zero part of him.

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So, it's Pittsburgh or bust for Aaron Rodgers. I wonder how long he'll hold them hostage for.

[Déjà Bru]

Oh, for crying out loud. Once again, I get first word of sports news here. (I should go to my sources first, I suppose.)

Are they kidding me? Wait, let me say this before continuing: I don't have any intention to turn this into a Giants rooting thread. I will hush up about them after this . . . until their next dumb move.

Why in the heck would they sign Winston and then a week later, bring Wilson in for a year at $21 million? Yes, Syd, I suppose Wilson is a much better QB.

But what happened to the idea of Winston being the caretaker and mentor for a season or two while the team finds and builds around its QB of the future? But, come to think of it, that was a construct of my own mind, wasn't it.

[Amazin69]

Meanwhile, having been snubbed by Russ and abandoned by Jameis, and with Deshaun "Groper Cleveland" Watson unfit (arguably in multiple ways), the Browns find themselves with only Kenny Pickett (acquired from Philly) to lead the charge.

They don't seem to be interested in Rodgers (understandably), so it's either Kirk Cousins or bust, apparently.

[Cobra Mgr]

Originally Posted by Déjà Bru

Oh, for crying out loud. Once again, I get first word of sports news here. (I should go to my sources first, I suppose.)

Are they kidding me? Wait, let me say this before continuing: I don't have any intention to turn this into a Giants rooting thread. I will hush up about them after this . . . until their next dumb move.

Why in the heck would they sign Winston and then a week later, bring Wilson in for a year at $21 million? Yes, Syd, I suppose Wilson is a much better QB.

But what happened to the idea of Winston being the caretaker and mentor for a season or two while the team finds and builds around its QB of the future? But, come to think of it, that was a construct of my own mind, wasn't it.

In this day and age, it doesn't hurt to have 2 capable QB's if not one great one. Especially since this is a do or die season for the Giants' brain trust. They need to have the best plan B possible or get their resume ready.

[Déjà Bru]

Originally Posted by Cobra Mgr

In this day and age, it doesn't hurt to have 2 capable QB's if not one great one. Especially since this is a do or die season for the Giants' brain trust. They need to have the best plan B possible or get their resume ready.

I suppose I have to agree. For sure, this situation was scary; they haven't updated the roster here yet and DeVito is the only QB listed:

[Ragnar]

In other news, the NFL has banned the nose swipe celebration that CD Lamb usually does.

https://thelibertyline.com/2025/03/2...e-celebration/

After all, someone has to think of the children. Now back to our regularly scheduled alcohol and gambling sponsors.

This cracks me up because Lamb had them fooled for 4 years. Did it right under their noses.