2024 NFL Season thread

[Cobra Mgr]

Originally Posted by monkeyman576

He was clearly mocking his traffic stop situation in his post touchdown celebration.

Ahhh.. So the cops called California psychics and were forewarned Tyreek Hill would mock them on the football field and according Miami civic law code section XII paragraph 3 subsection 2 that gives them the authority to beat him like he was a Carolina Panther.

[Ragnar]

Originally Posted by monkeyman576

Both lost their games. I would not bet on the Jets going anywhere this year. But go for it if you have spare change.

I guess Lamar Jackson and Joe Burrow are finally getting what they deserve too. Garbage QBs on garbage teams.

[Ragnar]

Originally Posted by kq76

I put my good headphones on and turned them up as loud as possible, just as you asked. I'm pretty sure I hear the word "go" (maybe "I gotta go"?) and I think I hear the words, "do what you gotta do". I also think I hear him repeating the word "window" like he's telling the officer ahead of time that he's going to put it back up. I don't think there's anything wrong with any of that. Granted, my hearing has always kind of sucked, but it sounds exactly like what I've heard people say they've been told to say. And frankly, it also sounds like what I would hope I'd say, something like, "I understand. Do what you have to do". Luckily, I've never been stopped by the police for a ticket before (and I used to speed far too often, frankly), but I was hassled by police a few times for being out at night as a youth. I was even brought in for questioning once when some kid accused me of assaulting him, which of course I hadn't. Even back then though, I knew, don't argue with the police, just get out of the situation as soon as possible. And "do what you gotta do" is trying to get out of the situation as fast as possible.

Hill rolled down his window and repeated "Don't knock on my window like that" 7 times in a row totally ignoring what the cop was saying. Then told the cop to do what you got to do, give me a ticket, I'm going to be late, then proceded to roll his window back up.

[Ragnar]

Originally Posted by Cobra Mgr

Name the law that allows an officer to do what he did.

The law gives the officer the right to meet physical force (at minimum the threat of physical force) w/physical force. As belligerent as Hill was, he never threatened anyone w/physical harm. He wasn't given a reasonable amount of time to comply w/getting out of the car. There was no excuse to get physical. That is not what society is paying him or training him to do. And if he can't operate under the parameters given to him, he should not be employed as a peace officer.

And it doesn't excuse their actions afterwards towards bystanders & his teammates. Calias Campbell was put in handcuffs while obeying the officer's instructions to get back. Others tried to de-escalate the situation & they threatened them w/arrest & tickets. Not to mention, I couldn't miss the irony, that all of this blew up cause Hill wouldn't keep his window open . Then later the police is demanding another vehicle keep their doors closed.

Like I told CONN CHRIS, both sides were wrong. You can't place blame on one party. Neither looked good. Neither behaved like we expect human beings to behave in public. Neither gave each other the respect & dignity that is deserved w/being a member of the human race.

I don't know what the laws are in regard to failure to comply. I know they're not supposed to do that just because you're being a jerk. I also don't know the exact amount of time a cop is supposed to allow you to comply.

[monkeyman576]

Originally Posted by Ragnar

I guess Lamar Jackson and Joe Burrow are finally getting what they deserve too. Garbage QBs on garbage teams.

Jackson and Burrow aren't degenerates.

[kq76]

I'm trying to tell myself to let this go as it's both making my stomach churn and making me angry and I don't want to take that out on anyone. But I can't help but wonder, why was it this officer's footage they released and not the footage of the officer that was at the window or the crazed one who ripped him out of his car? What can be seen or heard on those videos? What happened before this particular officer, whose footage was released, got to the scene? Was this the footage that they thought was the least incriminating? They all have bodycams, don't they? Is there a law that eventually it'll come out?

I need to go chill.

EDIT: Just to be clear, I'm not a physically abusive person, but sometimes it's too easy for me to say things that upset people and so I try to keep that in check.

[Rain King]

Originally Posted by kq76

I'm trying to tell myself to let this go as it's both making my stomach churn and making me angry and I don't want to take that out on anyone. But I can't help but wonder, why was it this officer's footage they released and not the footage of the officer that was at the window or the crazed one who ripped him out of his car? What can be seen or heard on those videos? What happened before this particular officer, whose footage was released, got to the scene? Was this the footage that they thought was the least incriminating? They all have bodycams, don't they? Is there a law that eventually it'll come out?

I need to go chill.

They released the video for multiple officers. I've definitely seen footage of the original officer as well as another. However, a significant portion of the audio for that original officer is muted...particularly conversations he has with what appears to be a superior and some other officers.

[Cobra Mgr]

Originally Posted by Ragnar

I don't know what the laws are in regard to failure to comply. I know they're not supposed to do that just because you're being a jerk. I also don't know the exact amount of time a cop is supposed to allow you to comply.

To me, IDK is a cop out answer. No pun intended. We know as a society what we want from our policemen. And we know what we saw Sunday in Miami wasn't it. Why can't we be brave enough to say, "that's wrong"? Do we think that sounds like a bunch of tree huggin' hippie crap?

It's not hard to see that both parties were wrong.

[David Watts]

Originally Posted by Ragnar

Going by the video, I think we both know what happened here. People in general don't like to be talked down to. Tyreek acted like a jerk and the cops took it too personally. Not what I would have done. He would have sat there until he rolled his window down on his own.

But ultimately I put this on Hill. How do you get yourself dragged out of your car, face down on the pavement? He did it to himself.

Really wish the police officer did this. Would have been great. Just stand there until he rolls his window down. End of the 1st quarter, halftime...

[Ragnar]

Originally Posted by monkeyman576

Jackson and Burrow aren't degenerates.

I totally get Watson. He also has a brand new allegation against him. And he looked terrible. Did Rodgers do something I'm unaware of?

[monkeyman576]

Originally Posted by Ragnar

I totally get Watson. He also has a brand new allegation against him. And he looked terrible. Did Rodgers do something I'm unaware of?

You're not aware of his conspiracy theories, anti-vaccine stances, and accusing Jimmy Kimmel of being a pedophile?

[Ragnar]

Originally Posted by Cobra Mgr

To me, IDK is a cop out answer. No pun intended. We know as a society what we want from our policemen. And we know what we saw Sunday in Miami wasn't it. Why can't we be brave enough to say, "that's wrong"? Do we think that sounds like a bunch of tree huggin' hippie crap?

It's not hard to see that both parties were wrong.

LOL, I said I don't know because I don't know. But I agree. The cop lost it. He couldn't contain his anger.

[Ragnar]

Originally Posted by monkeyman576

You're not aware of his conspiracy theories, anti-vaccine stances, and accusing Jimmy Kimmel of being a pedophile?

Why would I care about his conspiracy theories and anti vaccine stance? Why should anyone? But no, I am not aware that he accused anyone of being a pedo. Was that supposed to be a joke or something?

[monkeyman576]

Originally Posted by Ragnar

Why would I care about his conspiracy theories and anti vaccine stance? Why should anyone? But no, I am not aware that he accused anyone of being a pedo. Was that supposed to be a joke or something?

https://www.biography.com/athletes/a...feud-explained

As for the others, you should care because he's a poor role model.

[Cobra Mgr]

Originally Posted by Ragnar

LOL, I said I don't know because I don't know. But I agree. The cop lost it. He couldn't contain his anger.

Because it goes back to what a Supreme Court justice said about labeling something obscene. He may not be able to define it, but he knows it when he sees it. You know good and well the law makes no allowances for the behavior of those policemen nor has society wished for them to behave that way.

So why would anyone post that Hill "did it to himself"?

[kq76]

Originally Posted by Rain King

They released the video for multiple officers. I've definitely seen footage of the original officer as well as another. However, a significant portion of the audio for that original officer is muted...particularly conversations he has with what appears to be a superior and some other officers.

You're right. There's more, a lot more, "105 minutes" worth. And in some of it the audio is far more clear. The clearer video doesn't change my view on it however. Yes, he clearly repeats "don't knock on my window", which okay, that's a little weird, but if I was the cop I'd understand. It's very clearly an expensive car and the guy is protective of it, I would be too. I don't at all see it as him being an ass.

What is worse, however, is in the primary officer's footage you can clearly see he can see through the tint. From the first video I saw, it was at an angle and the window looked black as can be. But no, the primary officer can easily see through it. So all this talk about how it's a safety concern because the officer can't see through the window to see if he's reaching for a gun or what not is bunk.

I don't even think that's what triggered the primary officer to demand he get out of his car. I think it was Tyreek putting on his seatbelt as that happened in-between rolling down the window and the demand. Maybe the officer thought he might speed off? Maybe players are told to put on their seatbelt in these situations just to be safe from another car that might come careening through? I don't know.

That being said, I keep going back to that the officer who flipped out on him wasn't the primary officer. The primary was dealing with it. Then this other officer barges in and starts yanking on him. Totally unnecessary and Tyreek wasn't even talking to him. The cop was acting like he was among a pack of hyenas and then the other cops were like, "oh, I guess we're doing this now are we?".

Before watching anything I assumed that Tyreek must have done something deserving of all this, but he doesn't. I also assumed that they had no idea who he was and so maybe they feared for their life, but no, they clearly knew who he was, a high profile player, and therefore very unlikely to be any danger to them. So that excuse is out as well. And I'm not even sure "fearing for your life" would be a good enough excuse. If you're afraid for your life, you probably shouldn't be a cop. This wasn't fear though. This was, "I am the authority around here and I have the right to do whatever I want to you!".

No, the officer who yanked him out needs to be fired. I can't believe he had the gall to demand being immediately reinstated. I get it, I've made big mistakes at work before too. But I said, "I'm sorry, I was wrong, I won't do it again, suspend me if you need to". And I meant it. That's not what this guy is about. Maybe he was a good cop once, but it's evident he's not that anymore. My guess is that is why Tyreek changed his mind about him being fired too. He probably would have been okay with the officer just being suspended and reprimanded, but to insist he did nothing wrong? Yeah, no. No one needs cops like that. The streets are safer without this guy patrolling them.

[Ragnar]

Originally Posted by Cobra Mgr

Because it goes back to what a Supreme Court justice said about labeling something obscene. He may not be able to define it, but he knows it when he sees it. You know good and well the law makes no allowances for the behavior of those policemen nor has society wished for them to behave that way.

So why would anyone post that Hill "did it to himself"?

Because he did. The cop didn't overreact or lose it for no reason what so ever. He did it because Hill was a complete jackass. That doesn't excuse the cop. But it is ultimately why Hill got treated like a dog. He brought it upon himself.

Mess with the bull, get the horns. That doesn't mean the bull was in the right. It just means you asked for it. I'm not a violent person. I have a very long fuse. Very thick skin. I take a different approach. Like I said before. If I was the cop, I let him sit in that car until he contacts me. Once he gets out of the car, put him in cuffs and arrest him for reckless driving. Without all of the drama of slamming the guy to the ground. No reason for that.

[Cobra Mgr]

Originally Posted by kq76

No, the officer who yanked him out needs to be fired. I can't believe he had the gall to demand being immediately reinstated. I get it, I've made big mistakes at work before too. But I said, "I'm sorry, I was wrong, I won't do it again, suspend me if you need to". And I meant it. That's not what this guy is about. Maybe he was a good cop once, but it's evident he's not that anymore. My guess is that is why Tyreek changed his mind about him being fired too. He probably would have been okay with the officer just being suspended and reprimanded, but to insist he did nothing wrong? Yeah, no. No one needs cops like that. The streets are safer without this guy patrolling them.

If you follow police brutality like I do, you'll know that the above is the only time bad officers follow "procedure".

1.Get the union to back you no matter what heinous act you did in the line of duty.

2.Have the union/department release a statement urging everyone to wait until an investigation is completed instead of allowing our eyes to tell us what we already know.

3. Have lawyers say they "welcome" an investigation of all facts that have already been displayed on video.

4. Claim the victim was the instigator & that the cop was following trained police procedure and should be allowed back on duty.

Textbook.

Next, have the investigation take months even though when the public is arrested in takes only minutes. If the delay doesn't turn public opinion strongly enough, they will then pressure the officer to resign before he is fired.

[Ragnar]

Originally Posted by Cobra Mgr

1.Get the union to back you no matter what heinous act you did in the line of duty.

Cop should get a minimum of a month off without pay. We can't have cops lose their composure.

[CONN CHRIS]

Originally Posted by kq76

No one needs cops like that. The streets are safer without this guy patrolling them.

I absolutely agree. Just don't want that lost in the clearly different versions of what you and I saw out of Hill in this. To reiterate, even though I saw (and firmly still believe) that he was an ass, none of the police actions that followed were remotely justified.