Young Power

scotto313 · 12-05-2003, 12:21 AM

18 Y/O and look at this guys power rating. I am trying to resist the urge to promote him at such a young age. So far I have but, my 1B on the big league roster is below average. How high should his hits rating be before he is a productive major leaguer?http://www.usbbl.com/stats/p1091.html

kingcharlesxii · 12-05-2003, 01:38 AM

Based on his talents, I don't think his ratings will be much higher ever. I'd promote him and see how he does. If you want to be more conservative, stick him in AAA and see how he does.

It looks like you have the next incarnation of the immortal Rob Deer on your hands!

rallymonkey1982 · 12-05-2003, 03:11 AM

Check out what the scout says... if he thinks the guy can play in the majors, then bring him up. Or else, put him in AAA and see how he does for a couple months.

Mr.Opinion · 12-05-2003, 08:15 AM

I'm in the same boat as you are. Check out this guy: http://www.wsibl.net/wsibl1/p3129.html
I drafted him in the June 1st Draft of 2003 at 18 years old and the auto depth chart says he could start...but I don't want to bring him up and waste money and such when he could still develop in the minors. I think I'm leaving him down there until he is 20 or so.

kq76 · 12-05-2003, 08:37 AM

wait till his hits (contact) reaches 4

Henry · 12-05-2003, 08:58 AM

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Originally posted by kq76
wait till his hits (contact) reaches 4

Correct. His age (18) will almost certainly provide him some growth even if his rating is "fair" so I'd wait and see if that acctually occurs. If it doesn't, you haven't missed out on that much... a .200 hitter with 40 HRs still isn't your ultimate answer for 1B.

Henry

jaxmagicman · 12-05-2003, 09:14 AM

I think you should bring him up. But I have been telling you that for a couple months. I would like to see him in your line-up. My pitching could eat him alive.

scprideandms · 12-05-2003, 09:59 AM

I brought this guy up a yr ago http://nwbl.homeip.net/Baseball/NW/p1999.html

at that time was a 3 in hits 4 in HR so bringing him up worked

But on the other hand this guys http://nwbl.homeip.net/Baseball/NW/p1424.html

been up in bigs for almost a whole season and hasn't budged up an inch in any ratings

theREDdoor28 · 12-05-2003, 10:10 AM

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Originally posted by Henry
Correct. His age (18) will almost certainly provide him some growth even if his rating is "fair" so I'd wait and see if that acctually occurs. If it doesn't, you haven't missed out on that much... a .200 hitter with 40 HRs still isn't your ultimate answer for 1B.

Henry

Agreeed with that.

scotto313 · 12-05-2003, 12:23 PM

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Originally posted by jaxmagicman
I think you should bring him up. But I have been telling you that for a couple months. I would like to see him in your line-up. My pitching could eat him alive.

My team handled your pitching pretty well in the post season.

scotto313 · 12-08-2003, 09:13 PM

My scout just told me to demote him from AA to A because AA might be hurting his development. He obviuosly tore up A pitching last season and faired pretty well in AA for the two weeks or so he was there. Should I listen to the scout? Scouts are turned off in the league.

Swan · 12-09-2003, 12:30 AM

Hey Scott... this Swan. I wouldn't pay too much attention to the scouts, as much as I would keep track of his stats. If he "tore up" single A hittting last year, but may be struggling a little bit in AA this year, I would wait until he has played two full months at least in AA, and if he still doesn't improve, then let him tear it up in A for a couple more months, then let him find his swing the last two months in AA again.
But I don't think you'll have to worry about the level jumping. He's poised to get his groove on in AA as well.

As far as finding a replacement level 1B, they are a dime a dozen after the heavy FA bidding is over.

HammerinHamelin · 12-09-2003, 03:28 AM

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Originally posted by kingcharlesxii
It looks like you have the next incarnation of the immortal Rob Deer on your hands!

hahahaha, exactly what I was thinking

pat · 12-09-2003, 06:04 AM

when he's already 4, i think.. he'll be like Adam Dunn.. i agree on Henry's post..

CommishJoe · 12-09-2003, 09:42 AM

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Originally posted by Swan
Hey Scott... this Swan. I wouldn't pay too much attention to the scouts, as much as I would keep track of his stats. If he "tore up" single A hittting last year, but may be struggling a little bit in AA this year, I would wait until he has played two full months at least in AA, and if he still doesn't improve, then let him tear it up in A for a couple more months, then let him find his swing the last two months in AA again.
But I don't think you'll have to worry about the level jumping. He's poised to get his groove on in AA as well.

As far as finding a replacement level 1B, they are a dime a dozen after the heavy FA bidding is over.

I didnt listen to my scouts with Antonio Soto in 2006..

http://www.trueleaguebaseball.com/pl...id=27&pid=2752

C Finch · 12-09-2003, 12:56 PM

These kind of hitters drive me nuts! (In a good way! LOL!)
You know the guy is going to hit a ton of homers but his strikeouts are going to be just ever so high. I can never resist having one in my lineup!

Ankhiel · 12-09-2003, 02:18 PM

4/10 could do good in AAA until he gets some more contact....

but if your 1b really stink, i see no reason to bring him in the big league...

or let him in the minor all season, and next season use your pre-season training to give him a hitting boost, and a power decrease

yzerman19 · 12-09-2003, 06:27 PM

call me billy bean, but I don't think I would ever put time and effort into the development of a player who can't get on base. If a player is only fair in walks and contact, he is going to be more of a headache than anything else. Sure 40-45 homeruns looks nice, but what about the 150 strikeouts? Thats a combination of 150 times of not advancing a runner, or not getting on base to lead off an inning, or not cashing in a runner on third with less than two outs...I just don't think 40 home runs are worth that kind of a rally stopper.
Compare these two players:
first baseman 1 hits 20 homeruns, hits .290 and has an on base of .380, while striking out 45 times.
first basemen 2 hits 45 homeruns, while hitting .240 and drawing an .310 on base percentage and striking out 135 times.

First baseman one reaches base about 60 more times, and by striking out so little, he is doing the little things way better (anvancing a runner, reaching on error, sac flies, etc.)
First baseman two doesn't do any of these things, and he only produces 25 more homeruns...many of which will be solo shots! Plus he probably commands a much larger contract than first baseman one does.
So why even develop the next rob deer? I don't understand.

SoxWin · 12-09-2003, 09:54 PM

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Originally posted by scotto313
Should I listen to the scout? Scouts are turned off in the league.

Is it me or am I missing something here?

CommishJoe · 12-09-2003, 11:20 PM

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Originally posted by SoxWin
Is it me or am I missing something here?

HAHA! It sounds funny, but you do get scout recommendations even when scouts are turned off.

12-05-2003, 12:21 AM	#1
scotto313 All Star Starter Join Date: Apr 2003 Location: Cleveland, Ohio Posts: 1,220	Young Power 18 Y/O and look at this guys power rating. I am trying to resist the urge to promote him at such a young age. So far I have but, my 1B on the big league roster is below average. How high should his hits rating be before he is a productive major leaguer?http://www.usbbl.com/stats/p1091.html

12-05-2003, 03:11 AM	#3
rallymonkey1982 Major Leagues Join Date: Mar 2002 Location: Orange County Posts: 436	Check out what the scout says... if he thinks the guy can play in the majors, then bring him up. Or else, put him in AAA and see how he does for a couple months. __________________ "This is sort of like living the American dream. You get to come the ballpark and get a free beer." - Arte Moreno My Life

12-05-2003, 08:15 AM	#4
Mr.Opinion All Star Reserve Join Date: May 2003 Location: SkiFree Lodge Posts: 883	I'm in the same boat as you are. Check out this guy: http://www.wsibl.net/wsibl1/p3129.html I drafted him in the June 1st Draft of 2003 at 18 years old and the auto depth chart says he could start...but I don't want to bring him up and waste money and such when he could still develop in the minors. I think I'm leaving him down there until he is 20 or so. __________________

12-05-2003, 08:37 AM	#5
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12-05-2003, 01:38 AM	#2
kingcharlesxii Hall Of Famer Join Date: Mar 2003 Location: Madison, WI Posts: 2,731	Based on his talents, I don't think his ratings will be much higher ever. I'd promote him and see how he does. If you want to be more conservative, stick him in AAA and see how he does. It looks like you have the next incarnation of the immortal Rob Deer on your hands!

12-05-2003, 09:59 AM	#8
scprideandms All Star Starter Join Date: Jul 2002 Location: N KY, 25 miles from Cincy Posts: 1,314	I brought this guy up a yr ago http://nwbl.homeip.net/Baseball/NW/p1999.html at that time was a 3 in hits 4 in HR so bringing him up worked But on the other hand this guys http://nwbl.homeip.net/Baseball/NW/p1424.html been up in bigs for almost a whole season and hasn't budged up an inch in any ratings __________________ Change your playground + change your playfriends + change your playtoys + change your playtime = Change your life. If you keep on doing what you've always done you'll keep on gitting what you've always gotten.

12-08-2003, 09:13 PM	#11
scotto313 All Star Starter Join Date: Apr 2003 Location: Cleveland, Ohio Posts: 1,220	My scout just told me to demote him from AA to A because AA might be hurting his development. He obviuosly tore up A pitching last season and faired pretty well in AA for the two weeks or so he was there. Should I listen to the scout? Scouts are turned off in the league.

12-09-2003, 12:30 AM	#12
Swan Major Leagues Join Date: Jan 2003 Posts: 315	Hey Scott... this Swan. I wouldn't pay too much attention to the scouts, as much as I would keep track of his stats. If he "tore up" single A hittting last year, but may be struggling a little bit in AA this year, I would wait until he has played two full months at least in AA, and if he still doesn't improve, then let him tear it up in A for a couple more months, then let him find his swing the last two months in AA again. But I don't think you'll have to worry about the level jumping. He's poised to get his groove on in AA as well. As far as finding a replacement level 1B, they are a dime a dozen after the heavy FA bidding is over.

12-09-2003, 06:04 AM	#14
pat Hall Of Famer Join Date: Sep 2002 Location: Quezon City, Philippines Posts: 2,748	when he's already 4, i think.. he'll be like Adam Dunn.. i agree on Henry's post.. __________________ Co-Founder & Technical Director at ExaWeb Corporation, an SEO company in the Philippines. Previous Leagues - Time Warp Baseball / International Federation of Baseball / Professional Baseball Replay League / No Pepper Baseball League / MLB Pro Current OOTP 24 Leagues - Sim Sports Gaming - (2016-Present) Washington Nationals (2016-2022) *2017 Champions Oakland Athletics (2023-Present)

12-09-2003, 12:56 PM	#16
C Finch Bat Boy Join Date: Dec 2003 Posts: 11	These kind of hitters drive me nuts! (In a good way! LOL!) You know the guy is going to hit a ton of homers but his strikeouts are going to be just ever so high. I can never resist having one in my lineup! __________________ Formerly known as Prosthetic Arm

12-09-2003, 02:18 PM	#17
Ankhiel Major Leagues Join Date: Nov 2003 Posts: 470	4/10 could do good in AAA until he gets some more contact.... but if your 1b really stink, i see no reason to bring him in the big league... or let him in the minor all season, and next season use your pre-season training to give him a hitting boost, and a power decrease __________________ GM - TWB Expos Join the fun

12-09-2003, 06:27 PM	#18
yzerman19 Minors (Single A) Join Date: Dec 2003 Location: Windsor, Canada Posts: 50	call me billy bean, but I don't think I would ever put time and effort into the development of a player who can't get on base. If a player is only fair in walks and contact, he is going to be more of a headache than anything else. Sure 40-45 homeruns looks nice, but what about the 150 strikeouts? Thats a combination of 150 times of not advancing a runner, or not getting on base to lead off an inning, or not cashing in a runner on third with less than two outs...I just don't think 40 home runs are worth that kind of a rally stopper. Compare these two players: first baseman 1 hits 20 homeruns, hits .290 and has an on base of .380, while striking out 45 times. first basemen 2 hits 45 homeruns, while hitting .240 and drawing an .310 on base percentage and striking out 135 times. First baseman one reaches base about 60 more times, and by striking out so little, he is doing the little things way better (anvancing a runner, reaching on error, sac flies, etc.) First baseman two doesn't do any of these things, and he only produces 25 more homeruns...many of which will be solo shots! Plus he probably commands a much larger contract than first baseman one does. So why even develop the next rob deer? I don't understand. __________________ A conscience is what hurts when all your other parts feel so good.