OU falls to #3 in AP & ESPN polls

[Eckstein 4 Prez]

Originally posted by drprestwood
Eckstein, are you a USC fan? Give us your biases here so we can understand where you're coming from.

Ironically, if anything I'm an anti-USC fan..... they've always been the University of Spoiled Children to me. All the rich kids from my high school went there, and my brother went to UCLA. So no, I'm not particularly pro-USC, although I am pro-chaos when it comes to the BCS since it's such a completely messed up system. Every year, they fix only the tiny thing that went wrong the year before without overhauling the system.

If things worked like this in real life, after the OJ trial they'd have passed a law saying, "Okay, if you're a black former football star who kills his ex-wife and a waiter with a knife in Brentwood, then the prosecution gets to retry you if the jury finds you not guilty."

I mean, my GOD! How about a fix for the friggin' system?

[drprestwood]

If a split national championship gets us to a playoff, then isn't it a good thing?

"bottom line is any team that doesn't win their conference doesn't deserve to be in the championship game in college football"

but a team that loses a game to a much worse team does?

[Skipaway]

First of all there is no "fix" for the system. There is no perfect way of doing this.

Second of all, a playoff system would not work. This is not a professional league. These are students who have to study. Personally that's the reason why I hate all these NCAA football and basketball crap. Remembering how TCU was worried about the schedule of the GMAC bowl because of the conflicts with final exams? With the complicated schedules of all the schools, how do you come up with a reasonable playoff schedule? Are we going to sacrifice their student identities even more simply for the reason to generate more revenue for these greedy colleges?

What would it look like if someone really offered 20mil to the schools for playing that additional game? Slave traders selling gladiators? These "players" wouldn't even get a playoff bonus for playing those additional games.

Seperate the schools and the sports. That'd fix it all.

[kingfc22]

Originally posted by Skipaway
Marlins go to the title game without winning their division too. How did that happen!

It's called a playoff system. Which should be used in colege football in one way or another.

[kingfc22]

Originally posted by Skipaway
Seperate the schools and the sports. That'd fix it all.

Yea right. The sports are what make these colleges money.

[Skipaway]

Originally posted by kingfc22
Yea right. The sports are what make these colleges money.

Isn't that the saddest part?

[Skipaway]

Originally posted by kingfc22
It's called a playoff system. Which should be used in colege football in one way or another.

BCS is also a playoff system. It's just a two team one game playoff.

[rangers85]

Originally posted by Skipaway
BCS is also a playoff system. It's just a two team one game playoff.

Except this "playoff" system not only decides that game, but also brands D1-A into 2 distinct classes, BCS schools and non-BCS schools. Thus hurting the recruiting of these "non-BCS" schools. Why would a top recruit go play for a non-BCS school when it could go to a BCS one and have a chance at the national championship (Which just isn't possible under the BCS).

[rangers85]

http://www.sportsbusinessnews.com/in...story_id=31499

Read the last 3 paragraphs at least.

"The two sides met again on Nov. 16 in New Orleans. People familiar with the meeting say the non-BCS presidents asked for equal access to a championship and the elimination of the BCS as a separate brand. The presidents also suggested a short postseason playoff to replace the single title game. Discussion lasted around an hour.

The BCS's proposal was made orally and lasted just three minutes, a person familiar with the meeting says. The offer: a fifth BCS bowl game that would be open to non-BCS schools. The sides discussed it for five minutes. The non-BCS presidents again felt slighted, people familiar with the discussion say.

The presidents have asked all 11 Division I-A conferences to study alternatives and report back early next year. Nebraska's Mr. Perlman says the BCS is willing to address access and branding issues, but it won't agree to a major redistribution of postseason football revenue. If the non-BCS schools don't like it, he says, the BCS might take its footballs and return to the old bowl system, with no championship game. "We can live without that if we have to," Mr. Perlman says. That and this report from The Wall Street Journal's Stefan Fatsis"

OOoOOOOOOO, wowie, 1 whole bid, with none of the money. That'll make everything just wonderful. However will I contain myself?

Just goes to show you the mentality behind the Bc$. We love our money, and no one else is getting any. Otherwise, they'll take their footballs and go back tot he old system

[matskralc]

Originally posted by rangers85
Except this "playoff" system not only decides that game, but also brands D1-A into 2 distinct classes, BCS schools and non-BCS schools. Thus hurting the recruiting of these "non-BCS" schools. Why would a top recruit go play for a non-BCS school when it could go to a BCS one and have a chance at the national championship (Which just isn't possible under the BCS).

I think all the BCS does is make it official. I'm pretty sure kids weren't torn between either Ohio State or Miami of Ohio pre-BCS, either.

[rangers85]

Originally posted by matskralc
I think all the BCS does is make it official. I'm pretty sure kids weren't torn between either Ohio State or Miami of Ohio pre-BCS, either.

But it doesn't help the matter any either. Especially after this season when you see a team like N. Illinois go 10-2 and because they're not a Bc$ school, don't get a bowl bid, while you have Bc$ schools going to bowls that have a 6-6 record. Does this really seem fair in the whole scheme of things?

Also, is it fair for these Bc$ schools to reap over $100 million to split amongst themselves, while only paying out $5 mil to split amongst the "mid-majors".

That alone can go along ways to creating a line of seperation.

[Skipaway]

Originally posted by rangers85
But it doesn't help the matter any either. Especially after this season when you see a team like N. Illinois go 10-2 and because they're not a Bc$ school, don't get a bowl bid, while you have Bc$ schools going to bowls that have a 6-6 record. Does this really seem fair in the whole scheme of things?

Also, is it fair for these Bc$ schools to reap over $100 million to split amongst themselves, while only paying out $5 mil to split amongst the "mid-majors".

That alone can go along ways to creating a line of seperation.

Actually, the N. Illinois issue would not be solved by BCS, playoffs, or the old system. Blaming it on BCS is kind of odd.

And your last post actually just made the point for BCS schools. It was their money all along. The smaller schools should already be thankful about sharing part of it. Should NBC share some of its revenue with UPN?

More importantly, NCAA is not even a professional sports league. It's not about creating a environment where every team got a chance to win. It's about letting student atheletes getting a chance to finish college with scholarships. Different schools got different academic backgrounds which should be the most important aspect for those students. They are there to earn useful degrees, not to win championships.

[rangers85]

Originally posted by Skipaway
Actually, the N. Illinois issue would not be solved by BCS, playoffs, or the old system. Blaming it on BCS is kind of odd.

And your last post actually just made the point for BCS schools. It was their money all along. The smaller schools should already be thankful about sharing part of it. Should NBC share some of its revenue with UPN?

More importantly, NCAA is not even a professional sports league. It's not about creating a environment where every team got a chance to win. It's about letting student atheletes getting a chance to finish college with scholarships. Different schools got different academic backgrounds which should be the most important aspect for those students. They are there to earn useful degrees, not to win championships.

And yet, when a university uses academics as a reason to turn down a bowl bid, they are blasted? Not sure if you were one of the masses blasting TCU because Mobile was during finals, but there was a major backlash.

[Skipaway]

Originally posted by rangers85
And yet, when a university uses academics as a reason to turn down a bowl bid, they are blasted? Not sure if you were one of the masses blasting TCU because Mobile was during finals, but there was a major backlash.

I really respect TCU for that. Lots of schools wouldn't mind ruining academic schedule for sports. Even atheletes for nonprofitable programs often got chances to take exams earlier or later than others too. Personally I hate stuff like that. It would only make sense if all atheletes got their own classes.

I think all these could have been much easier if there was a somewhat universal quarter/semester system and schedule.

[KC]

Originally posted by rangers85
Except this "playoff" system not only decides that game, but also brands D1-A into 2 distinct classes, BCS schools and non-BCS schools. Thus hurting the recruiting of these "non-BCS" schools. Why would a top recruit go play for a non-BCS school when it could go to a BCS one and have a chance at the national championship (Which just isn't possible under the BCS).

You touched on something I've often thought about. The NCAA is already split into D-1, D-1AA, D-2 and D-3. But, D-1 has major and mid-major conferences (or BCS and non-BCS schools). The non-BCS schools might as well be D-1AA schools, or lower. Though they get the press coverage now, they will soon fall off the face of the earth because of lack of good recruits, and ultimately, lack of funds.

NIU really did get the shaft. Before this year, I thought the MAC was a joke. But, when NIU beats Maryland to start the year that winds up being a 10-2 season, they deserve a bowl more than most teams.

[akw4572]

Originally posted by Skipaway


More importantly, NCAA is not even a professional sports league. It's not about creating a environment where every team got a chance to win. It's about letting student atheletes getting a chance to finish college with scholarships.

Why do they do a tournament in every other sport then? It's not about scholarships or degrees, the NCAA could care less if students graduate. It's about MONEY.

[blackamus]

Originally posted by mh2365
Seriously I find it funny that drprestwood is a "football fan" yet seems so arguementative to anyone disagreeing with his opinion .... bottom line is any team that doesn't win their conference doesn't deserve to be in the championship game in college football .... any arguement involving other sports is moot since they all have playoffs .... if USC beats Michigan then we WILL have a split national championship ... the writers are not obligated to vote for the BCS winner and they will not remove USC's #1 ranking if they win .... BCS is crap and doesn't solve the championship issue go LSU and go USC .... I'm not a fan of either but I am a football fan and a split national champion gets us that much closer to a playoff

So you believe that winning 1 game makes a team the conference champ? What about the two in conference losses (Texas and OSU) that K-State had vs. OK's 1 in conference loss. It has already been said I know, but if the OU-KState game had been the first of the season this argument would not be taking place. A loss should not count more because of the time in the season that it occurred.
As much as I hate to say it (being the mutha****in' Dawg fan that I am) LSU is the best team in the country. I have a feeling that they will absolutely brutalize Oklahoma.

[Skipaway]

Originally posted by akw4572
Why do they do a tournament in every other sport then? It's not about scholarships or degrees, the NCAA could care less if students graduate. It's about MONEY.

That's the point I'm trying to make. Sports programs are mostly about money, and we should separate the money making part from schools. Maximize sporting revenues should never be on any schools' priority lists. Students should be joining local semi-pro leagues on their own time, and making money from those leagues. They can use the money earned to pay for tuition. Instead, we are having this slave system where colleges sqeeze out every single drop of money.

And why would having tournaments in other sports justify anything? No other sports play as few games as football. Different sports, different structure, different setups.

[Eric]

Originally posted by Skipaway
Marlins go to the title game without winning their division too. How did that happen!

That's not the issue. Even though the Marlins went to the title game without winning their division, the Braves, who won their division, did have a chance for the title. In the BCS, USC doesn't have a chance.