Reluctant Submission...

[Kushiel]

Originally Posted by Bunktown Ballers

Do you understand you are posting to members that have been faithful to a group of players that have been with this company for years & years? Just look at the people you are trying to reassure everything is honky-dory. Myself bought version #1 Season Ticket that came with a disc to download game. I didn't find out about forum until 2013. Most be posting for more years than me by a lot. We know this game inside out & sideways? Just don't mock us with your 3rd post.

I am with you 100%. I didn't start coming to the forum until 2015 because it was the first time I thought I needed clarification on some thoughts. I liked here and stayed with the knowledgeable fans.

Then PT came in late 2019 and I started it. I loved it. I was even called a fanboy back then and called condescending. Imagine me being a fanboy with my opinions of the current game posted regularly? Sounds crazy. But that is how far PT has sunk the past couple years beginning just before the huge release hiccup not too long ago.

When I hear about just spend more time now from somebody I am reminded of Zorro in early PT. He watched the replay of almost every game from his team. That is dedication. It also burned him out and he was a huge loss to this side of the game then. Now I see more old timers leaving and thinking of leaving. It saddens me, especially since I am one of those thinking every day about it. I actually have very little fun in PT anymore. I just love baseball and am trying to hang on here. But, I tire.

[muskiehunter99]

Originally Posted by Kushiel

I am with you 100%. I didn't start coming to the forum until 2015 because it was the first time I thought I needed clarification on some thoughts. I liked here and stayed with the knowledgeable fans.

Then PT came in late 2019 and I started it. I loved it. I was even called a fanboy back then and called condescending. Imagine me being a fanboy with my opinions of the current game posted regularly? Sounds crazy. But that is how far PT has sunk the past couple years beginning just before the huge release hiccup not too long ago.

When I hear about just spend more time now from somebody I am reminded of Zorro in early PT. He watched the replay of almost every game from his team. That is dedication. It also burned him out and he was a huge loss to this side of the game then. Now I see more old timers leaving and thinking of leaving. It saddens me, especially since I am one of those thinking every day about it. I actually have very little fun in PT anymore. I just love baseball and am trying to hang on here. But, I tire.

My post wasn't endorsing my approach of spending a lot of time. As I mentioned, it actually supports the point you are trying to make. I'm really trying to be charitable here but you guys are either 1) not reading my whole post; 2) not comprehending it; or 3) As Fabtron7 pointed out: are complaining just to complain.

[Bunktown Ballers]

Originally Posted by Fabtron7

Dude... there are three or four guys on here that basically devote their life to complaint posts. I wouldn't sweat it. You can generally pick them out of the crowd when they pull out their service time credentials (like anyone gives a damn how long you've played a video game), or blame Com2us (a company that doesn't even list OOTP Baseball on it's website as something it owns). Just read one of their posts and you can pretty much skip the rest.

Don't feel like you need to honor their weird legacy of being grumpy little clouds, your post was great.

Says The Whale

[Fabtron7]

Originally Posted by Bunktown Ballers

Says The Whale

I'm actually a Snowplow now... we've rebranded.

[Kushiel]

Originally Posted by Fabtron7

Dude... there are three or four guys on here that basically devote their life to complaint posts. I wouldn't sweat it. You can generally pick them out of the crowd when they pull out their service time credentials (like anyone gives a damn how long you've played a video game), or blame Com2us (a company that doesn't even list OOTP Baseball on it's website as something it owns). Just read one of their posts and you can pretty much skip the rest.

Don't feel like you need to honor their weird legacy of being grumpy little clouds, your post was great.

We love you too!

[HRBaker]

Originally Posted by Fabtron7

Dude... there are three or four guys on here that basically devote their life to complaint posts. I wouldn't sweat it. You can generally pick them out of the crowd when they pull out their service time credentials (like anyone gives a damn how long you've played a video game), or blame Com2us (a company that doesn't even list OOTP Baseball on it's website as something it owns). Just read one of their posts and you can pretty much skip the rest.

Don't feel like you need to honor their weird legacy of being grumpy little clouds, your post was great.

Fab, I don't have any bone to pick with you, but your condescending attitude toward those of us who aren't as talented as you is actually worse than our complaints. It appears your opinion of us is "live with it or leave" which seals us in a container never to be heard from again. That's a sad result when those of us in that container have been with Markus & Co. for more than 20 years. It's not like we are asking you folks at the top to give up much of anything - we're just asking for some adjustments to keep us interested beyond 4 months. The whales will always be whales, but does it really hurt anything to give the bottom 2/3rds of the customer base something to enjoy as well?

[Fabtron7]

Originally Posted by HRBaker

Fab, I don't have any bone to pick with you, but your condescending attitude toward those of us who aren't as talented as you is actually worse than our complaints. It appears your opinion of us is "live with it or leave" which seals us in a container never to be heard from again. That's a sad result when those of us in that container have been with Markus & Co. for more than 20 years. It's not like we are asking you folks at the top to give up much of anything - we're just asking for some adjustments to keep us interested beyond 4 months. The whales will always be whales, but does it really hurt anything to give the bottom 2/3rds of the customer base something to enjoy as well?

I was just giving the new guy the lay of the land after people started going at him just for being new and not being jaded (yet?). The messages speak for themselves.

[bailey]

Originally Posted by HRBaker

- we're just asking for some adjustments to keep us interested beyond 4 months.

You said the same thing last year and I suggested then that you hold back one of your teams and start it after the all-star break because the game plays differently then. I asked you to make an adjustment and you didn't so I feel like you don't care about me.

[HRBaker]

Originally Posted by bailey

You said the same thing last year and I suggested then that you hold back one of your teams and start it after the all-star break because the game plays differently then. I asked you to make an adjustment and you didn't so I feel like you don't care about me.

Which is exactly how I am squeezing another month out of this year's version.

https://forums.ootpdevelopments.com/...5&postcount=22

[bailey]

Originally Posted by HRBaker

Which is exactly how I am squeezing another month out of this year's version.

https://forums.ootpdevelopments.com/...5&postcount=22

Didn't see that! But, it's not the All-Star break yet!
The key to a team playing differently is cranking out the live missions by the end of entry pool week and you need 2 or 3 live updates to help with that. If you started already you are way too early for a different experience.

[HRBaker]

Originally Posted by bailey

Didn't see that! But, it's not the All-Star break yet!
The key to a team playing differently is cranking out the live missions by the end of entry pool week and you need 2 or 3 live updates to help with that. If you started already you are way too early for a different experience.

Possibly, but if I would have waited till the All-Star break I would have probably abandoned the teams by then. As it is, I'll be lucky to make the end of June

[LeeD]

Originally Posted by bailey

Didn't see that! But, it's not the All-Star break yet!
The key to a team playing differently is cranking out the live missions by the end of entry pool week and you need 2 or 3 live updates to help with that. If you started already you are way too early for a different experience.

It's already playing differently. Completing Live Series is not difficult. Only the Mets and Phillies are log-jammed, and that's just at Level 2. Almost all teams can be completed with Silver cards and below, and the Silvers have dropped into the low hundreds.

The problem is: where do you go after that? Too early into Negro Leagues, and Future Legends are still very, very expensive. Live Series will get you into Gold. If you have a good season and make Diamond then you'll probably be able to hang there for the moment, although the number of teams with extras like FL toppers and quality Perfects is increasing by the week.

[bailey]

Originally Posted by LeeD

It's already playing differently. Completing Live Series is not difficult. Only the Mets and Phillies are log-jammed, and that's just at Level 2. Almost all teams can be completed with Silver cards and below, and the Silvers have dropped into the low hundreds.

The problem is: where do you go after that? Too early into Negro Leagues, and Future Legends are still very, very expensive. Live Series will get you into Gold. If you have a good season and make Diamond then you'll probably be able to hang there for the moment, although the number of teams with extras like FL toppers and quality Perfects is increasing by the week.

After the live missions--speculate in live cards and build up your PP balance and DO NOTHING until the final meta cards are released.

[Kushiel]

Originally Posted by bailey

After the live missions--speculate in live cards and build up your PP balance and DO NOTHING until the final meta cards are released.

Then you get to be pretty good for a month or two after most people have quit playing and are waiting on the new version. No thanks. I don't get anything enjoyment wise from winning against empty chairs.

I do like your strategy of not opening packs and waiting until a little later into the cycle to actually start playing a team. I am following that with alts. I just can't see waiting until December to make a move.

[bailey]

Originally Posted by Kushiel

Then you get to be pretty good for a month or two after most people have quit playing and are waiting on the new version. No thanks. I don't get anything enjoyment wise from winning against empty chairs.

I do like your strategy of not opening packs and waiting until a little later into the cycle to actually start playing a team. I am following that with alts. I just can't see waiting until December to make a move.

I don't like waiting until December either, but I'm playing with 60% fewer packs than last year and I don't know what else to do. I don't think the teams in diamond at that time are all empty chairs. Even if they are, they are still well-constructed teams that are more challenging teams to beat than AI teams in the base game.

[HRBaker]

Another thought comes to me...

Baseball is a 6 month sport. In between we watch other sports - do other things... but if we're true fan of baseball, we read and follow everything that happens over the 6 months the players aren't on the field. This is the "world" of baseball; PLAY for 6 months and PLAN for the other 6.

Perfect Team modifies that habit and makes baseball last 12 months. For the whales, it doesn't matter because their only measurement is how many games you win. Whether it's 162 games or 365 games you need the "better" cards so you can keep up the wins.

For us old-timers, however, there's a lot more to baseball than just the game on the field. The management, the contracts, the personalities, the injuries - and most of that has been stripped from Perfect Team. Add to that fictional players have to be added to the mix in order to provide improvements for 6 months, and it really isn't baseball anymore.

Maybe that's why I can't get in with both feet for 12 continuous months of on-field competition. Much of the game that I love just isn't there. And that's why I keep getting pulled back to the basic game. It's not that I don't enjoy PT in the beginning, but once it starts showing itself as more of a card game instead of baseball, I lose interest.

Maybe it's not a bad thing us old-timers pull out once we hit the invisible wall. We get to return to what we like best, and the whales get a boost from beating up on the "empty seats".

Maybe that's the best of all worlds for everyone.