Any Idea on next patch timeline?

[uruguru]

Originally Posted by Matt Arnold

We'll have a public beta out tomorrow or Friday. Just working through the last few issues

awesome! for historicals, 25 is already in really good shape.

[renojedi]

Originally Posted by Bos8

I agree. Thank you for the update. For the past few years, I have purchased the game on pre-order, but usually wait until the 3rd patch or so to get started. I am anxiously awaiting the next patch!

Same for me. The first patch after the season starts allows for errors with the roster set to be fixed so it is the best balance between getting started and getting the most accurate opening day roster.

[md40022]

Speaking strictly based on my opinion from keeping up with the forums on here, but.....

The devs seem pretty darn happy with this release, and rightfully so. They've called it their smoothest release or most successful or whatever terminology they used. There haven't been any massive crash issues and the game has run smoothly for virtually everyone. Some of the issues people have are already correctable by adjusting an option (such as fatigue). Other issues, such as the development lab, seem to be more so certain users not agreeing with how it works --- which isn't an "problem" as much as it's satisfaction thing

I guess what I'm getting at is this upcoming patch (which hasn't been given critical priority - again, rightfully so) may not address a whole heck of a lot. Simply because it doesn't seem like there's all that much to address. I don't mean to be raining on anyone's parade with this, but for everyone saying they are waiting on the patch before finally starting their sim..... my guess is there isn't going to be much changed outside of some tiny tweaks. IMO you've been okay to start sims for a while now.

[jmuelly]

Originally Posted by md40022

Speaking strictly based on my opinion from keeping up with the forums on here, but.....

The devs seem pretty darn happy with this release, and rightfully so. They've called it their smoothest release or most successful or whatever terminology they used. There haven't been any massive crash issues and the game has run smoothly for virtually everyone. Some of the issues people have are already correctable by adjusting an option (such as fatigue). Other issues, such as the development lab, seem to be more so certain users not agreeing with how it works --- which isn't an "problem" as much as it's satisfaction thing

I guess what I'm getting at is this upcoming patch (which hasn't been given critical priority - again, rightfully so) may not address a whole heck of a lot. Simply because it doesn't seem like there's all that much to address. I don't mean to be raining on anyone's parade with this, but for everyone saying they are waiting on the patch before finally starting their sim..... my guess is there isn't going to be much changed outside of some tiny tweaks. IMO you've been okay to start sims for a while now.

I think it will be a pretty solid patch, like others I am waiting for this one as well.

Last week the devs said we could probably expect it this week, earlier in week we were told it would probably go into beta thursday or friday. So holding hope we see something soon. They had some server issues or something prior to patch 2, so they've had some internal issues as well it sounds.

[Matt Arnold]

There's some good stuff in it: https://docs.google.com/document/d/1...it?usp=sharing

[md40022]

Originally Posted by jmuelly

I think it will be a pretty solid patch, like others I am waiting for this one as well.

Last week the devs said we could probably expect it this week, earlier in week we were told it would probably go into beta thursday or friday. So holding hope we see something soon. They had some server issues or something prior to patch 2, so they've had some internal issues as well it sounds.

Oh dont get me wrong, I'm not saying it won't be good. I'm just saying there doesn't seem to be a ton of stuff to patch up prior to being able to get the long term sim going.

In previous years I totally understood people waiting. I'm not sure you need to wait this year

[Guthrien]

Originally Posted by Matt Arnold

There's some good stuff in it: https://docs.google.com/document/d/1...it?usp=sharing

This does look like a really strong list, looking forward to trying it. I admit it covers my main asks. Thank you for update.

[David Watts]

Originally Posted by Matt Arnold

There's some good stuff in it: https://docs.google.com/document/d/1...it?usp=sharing

Those random debut changes are all 3000% optional, right?

If retire according to history is on when playing random debut, how does the game deal with modern day players like Acuna, Soto and Judge? Does the game recognize that these players have simply run out of real life recalc, or does it assume they have retired?

I have one major plea tor you. Right now random debut amateur drafts are perfect. They have been for years. Just the right number of stars, regular players and duds. My worry is that when people start using the retire according to history function while playing random debut they are quickly going to realize their amateur drafts may need to be 10-20 rounds, simply to cover the number of cup of tea players that will be disappearing on a yearly basis. The next thing to happen will be the call for more beefed up drafts with less cup of tea players This will destroy random debut.

[Sweed]

Originally Posted by Matt Arnold

There's some good stuff in it: https://docs.google.com/document/d/1...it?usp=sharing

It's not listed but is there any chance batter vs pitcher stats https://forums.ootpdevelopments.com/...73#post5101373 made it back to the pregame screen?


I know you mentioned it in one post as being something that would be adjusted/changed. Markus also mentioned in a post after the last patch that it would be worked on.

[Matt Arnold]

Originally Posted by David Watts

Those random debut changes are all 3000% optional, right?

If retire according to history is on when playing random debut, how does the game deal with modern day players like Acuna, Soto and Judge? Does the game recognize that these players have simply run out of real life recalc, or does it assume they have retired?

I have one major plea tor you. Right now random debut amateur drafts are perfect. They have been for years. Just the right number of stars, regular players and duds. My worry is that when people start using the retire according to history function while playing random debut they are quickly going to realize their amateur drafts may need to be 10-20 rounds, simply to cover the number of cup of tea players that will be disappearing on a yearly basis. The next thing to happen will be the call for more beefed up drafts with less cup of tea players This will destroy random debut.

Anyone who played in 2023 gets skipped in the retire according to history checks, and should retire "naturally".

[Matt Arnold]

Originally Posted by Sweed

It's not listed but is there any chance batter vs pitcher stats https://forums.ootpdevelopments.com/...73#post5101373 made it back to the pregame screen?


I know you mentioned it in one post as being something that would be adjusted/changed. Markus also mentioned in a post after the last patch that it would be worked on.

We haven't quite gotten to that that yet. We'll get there at some point, but not sure exactly when.

[FantasyDrafter]

Originally Posted by md40022

Oh dont get me wrong, I'm not saying it won't be good. I'm just saying there doesn't seem to be a ton of stuff to patch up prior to being able to get the long term sim going.

In previous years I totally understood people waiting. I'm not sure you need to wait this year

Depends on how fast you play / sim. If you are still in your first season I fully agree with you. If at this point you might have had multiple off seasons and you are going to use the lab (me), the change allowing you to assign a 2nd lab during spring training is possibly worth waiting, as is whatever changes are happening with development speed (and hopefully a little more internal randomization of target age).

[David Watts]

Originally Posted by Matt Arnold

Anyone who played in 2023 gets skipped in the retire according to history checks, and should retire "naturally".

That's if development is on combined with recalc. Otherwise, those players will probably play till they reach 55 years old.

[Matt Arnold]

Originally Posted by David Watts

That's if development is on combined with recalc. Otherwise, those players will probably play till they reach 55 years old.

We've fixed a lot of those issues as well, they'll probably play until their late 30s or early 40s, but we're a little stricter on retirements.
(hence why "naturally" was in quotes. Won't be perfect, but should be much better than before when guys were playing until they were 122)

[Syd Thrift]

Originally Posted by David Watts

Those random debut changes are all 3000% optional, right?

If retire according to history is on when playing random debut, how does the game deal with modern day players like Acuna, Soto and Judge? Does the game recognize that these players have simply run out of real life recalc, or does it assume they have retired?

I have one major plea tor you. Right now random debut amateur drafts are perfect. They have been for years. Just the right number of stars, regular players and duds. My worry is that when people start using the retire according to history function while playing random debut they are quickly going to realize their amateur drafts may need to be 10-20 rounds, simply to cover the number of cup of tea players that will be disappearing on a yearly basis. The next thing to happen will be the call for more beefed up drafts with less cup of tea players This will destroy random debut.

There was this weirdo issue where if you set players to retire according to history with random debut with no development and, say, Nolan Ryan showed up in your league in 1905, he could sometimes play until 1993, his actual retirement season. I’m pretty sure this only happened if you completely turned the development engine off, which might explain why people hadn’t seen it yet. They changed it so that Ryan in this situation retires after like 25 years or however long his actual career was. I’m pretty sure that’s all they did with random debut leagues, fixing that bug.

Obviously there are lots of other issues they’ve been working on too, some of which could impact your leagues. I think all for the better though!

[md40022]

Originally Posted by FantasyDrafter

Depends on how fast you play / sim. If you are still in your first season I fully agree with you. If at this point you might have had multiple off seasons and you are going to use the lab (me), the change allowing you to assign a 2nd lab during spring training is possibly worth waiting, as is whatever changes are happening with development speed (and hopefully a little more internal randomization of target age).

We can agree to disagree on this. The dev. lab really seems to be a satisfaction issue with a small handful of people at this point though much more so than a problem with the game that would prevent you from starting a long term sim.

[chanceliebau]

Originally Posted by Matt Arnold

There's some good stuff in it: https://docs.google.com/document/d/1...it?usp=sharing

The top prospect list not including IAFA signings will be a well-overdue change, very excited for that.

[Matt Arnold]

Originally Posted by chanceliebau

The top prospect list not including IAFA signings will be a well-overdue change, very excited for that.

It does include them, but it discounts them more so they shouldn't crowd out the top of the list as much.

[FantasyDrafter]

Originally Posted by md40022

We can agree to disagree on this. The dev. lab really seems to be a satisfaction issue with a small handful of people at this point though much more so than a problem with the game that would prevent you from starting a long term sim.

It would matter to me, which is all that matters to me

Doesn’t appear they did anything there, and having run a 20 year sim in the new beta I can tell that player development under the hood is slightly different than before, seems maybe less linear, maybe a few more with potential growth after being drafted? AA (really levels past A+ ball) is still rarely used by the AI for prospects. Rookie ball still holds players who are mlb players at 23yo through age 20-21 then they spend a year in A ball before hitting the show.

Game seems stable. Outputs are realistic. Still wish it had taken more of a chance.

[chanceliebau]

Still planning on releasing sometime today?