Historical Game Adjust/Weaken settings AKA the Make Bad Setting

[Reed]

Originally Posted by David Watts

3 year recalc, double weight, with development on TCR 100. 600/300 hitters and 99/48 for pitchers. Started league in 1973. Will try and play forward till 1992 and then decide to stick there or continue on. If I continue on, I will probably only do so till 2008 or 9 and then stick or stop. I have the draft set right now to 5 rounds with enough players created for 6 rounds. I shrunk the 73 mlb down to 18 teams. One subleague, 3 divisions of 6 teams. I'm playing a 132 game season. Fatigue is set to moderate. Injuries are high(modern day) across the board.

With 6 round and high injuries, do you have several utility type players end up as regulars? Are the stats for your top pitcher reasonable (KO% and Walk%)?

[David Watts]

Originally Posted by Reed

With 6 round and high injuries, do you have several utility type players end up as regulars? Are the stats for your top pitcher reasonable (KO% and Walk%)?

I may change the number of rounds after a few years, but I shrunk a 24 team league down to 18 teams, so I had enough players for 58 round inaugural draft.

[David Watts]

Just finished my first season using the new method. Numbers were great. Nothing odd to report abut the first season. Then I get to the first amateur draft in league history. Nolan Ryan gets drafted in the 5th round(final round) by the Boston Red Sox. He's a relief pitcher of course with pretty poor ratings. So I don't get a lecture, this isn't me complaining, just an observation.

[Reed]

Originally Posted by David Watts

Just finished my first season using the new method. Numbers were great. Nothing odd to report abut the first season. Then I get to the first amateur draft in league history. Nolan Ryan gets drafted in the 5th round(final round) by the Boston Red Sox. He's a relief pitcher of course with pretty poor ratings. So I don't get a lecture, this isn't me complaining, just an observation.

I see he only started 1 game his debut year. Relieved 1 game and pitched a grand total of 3 innings. Hopefully recalc will take care of him in the near future. Do you use predefined draft values?

I use predefined the 1st couple rounds then turn it off. I don't know if that accomplishes much.

[David Watts]

Originally Posted by Reed

I see he only started 1 game his debut year. Relieved 1 game and pitched a grand total of 3 innings. Hopefully recalc will take care of him in the near future. Do you use predefined draft values?

I use predefined the 1st couple rounds then turn it off. I don't know if that accomplishes much.

No, I always forget about that feature. Used to always use it back in the early days of OOTP. Might turn it on again. Since I don't gm or manage, stuff like this doesn't really bother me too much, as it all evens out in the end.

[sprague]

Originally Posted by David Watts

3 year recalc, double weight, with development on TCR 100. 600/300 hitters and 99/48 for pitchers. Started league in 1973. Will try and play forward till 1992 and then decide to stick there or continue on. If I continue on, I will probably only do so till 2008 or 9 and then stick or stop. I have the draft set right now to 5 rounds with enough players created for 6 rounds. I shrunk the 73 mlb down to 18 teams. One subleague, 3 divisions of 6 teams. I'm playing a 132 game season. Fatigue is set to moderate. Injuries are high(modern day) across the board.

David you know that the historical pitchers are currently not getting a proper rating for the potential, they are far far too low. It is supposed to be corrected in the next patch, so you might want to wait on any long term historical games until that is done

[Reed]

Originally Posted by sprague

David you know that the historical pitchers are currently not getting a proper rating for the potential, they are far far too low. It is supposed to be corrected in the next patch, so you might want to wait on any long term historical games until that is done

That must be it.
When the top draft choice list came out before the draft it was all batters. I was puzzled by that. But then on draft day with predefined values selected pitchers took up most of the 1st round (about 55%) like normal.

[David Watts]

Originally Posted by sprague

David you know that the historical pitchers are currently not getting a proper rating for the potential, they are far far too low. It is supposed to be corrected in the next patch, so you might want to wait on any long term historical games until that is done

ugh.

[David Watts]

[QUOTE=sprague;5090523]David you know that the historical pitchers are currently not getting a proper rating for the potential, they are far far too low. It is supposed to be corrected in the next patch, so you might want to wait on any long term historical games until that is done[/QUOTe

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[Eugene Church]

Hope this is on topic.

I am going to start a historical league for the first time.
I am going to import players manually, all 488 of them... I will not use mediocre players with just a few at-bats or just a few innings pitched.
I will only import players that played a lot of games.
I will not use development... just want the players to play according to their actual stats and ratings.

Will I have any problem with the subject of this thread?

Do I need to change the numbers; 200/50 and 25/10?

I would like to know before I get started.

[Reed]

Originally Posted by Eugene Church

Hope this is on topic.

I am going to start a historical league for the first time.
I am going to import players manually, all 488 of them... I will not use mediocre players with just a few at-bats or just a few innings pitched.
I will only import players that played a lot of games.
I will not use development... just want the players to play according to their actual stats and ratings.

Will I have any problem with the subject of this thread?

Do I need to change the numbers; 200/50 and 25/10?

I would like to know before I get started.

Tough question. 1 yr or 3 yr or 5 yr recalc.? How many teams? If you are going to import players above “x” ABs and “y” IP then you are already kind of doing the work of the adjust/default. If 1 yr recalc then the above setting for adjust/weaken should work out ok IMO. Most of your starting line up and SP should be above that setting. Hopefully someone else will chime in. Good luck.

[Scoman]

Originally Posted by Eugene Church

Hope this is on topic.

I am going to start a historical league for the first time.
I am going to import players manually, all 488 of them... I will not use mediocre players with just a few at-bats or just a few innings pitched.
I will only import players that played a lot of games.
I will not use development... just want the players to play according to their actual stats and ratings.

Will I have any problem with the subject of this thread?

Do I need to change the numbers; 200/50 and 25/10?

I would like to know before I get started.

If your doing 5 year recalc you multiply those numbers by 5 according to Garlon.

So 1000/250 and 125/50.

Ive tested those setting with very good results.



https://forums.ootpdevelopments.com/...d.php?t=352747

[thehef]

Originally Posted by Eugene Church

Hope this is on topic.

I am going to start a historical league for the first time.
I am going to import players manually, all 488 of them... I will not use mediocre players with just a few at-bats or just a few innings pitched.
I will only import players that played a lot of games.
I will not use development... just want the players to play according to their actual stats and ratings.

Will I have any problem with the subject of this thread?

Do I need to change the numbers; 200/50 and 25/10?

I would like to know before I get started.

If I'm understanding both your settings and how A/W now works, you shouldn't have any issues. It sounds like all of the players you select for your game - not being mediocre with few AB's or IP's - would exceed the 200 AB & 50 IP thresholds and therefore not be adjusted (or weakened)... And if you do have a smattering of players who come in - over a five-ear period - under 200 or 50 (seems highly unlikely with three-year and your choice of players who only played "a lot of games"), they would probably be just barely under 200 or 50 and therefore only slightly adjusted...

That's my understanding. I could be wrong on my understanding of your game, and/or of how A/W is now working...

[Eugene Church]

Since I will not import any players with less than 200 at-bats or pitchers with less than 75-100 innings pitched, I shouldn't have any problem there.
All of the players in my alltime league will have been regulars.

I would like to know how recalculation works.

I will begin with the 1946 season... and then recaculate the league for the next season 1947... does this mean the stats will be for the 1947 season?... recalulate in 1948 and the stats will be for 1948?... and I would just continue this process for each additional year.

Should I set the recalculation to be 1 year?
Should I use "double weight"?... what does this do?

I will start my season in the 1946 season with just the 16 original franchises... my first-year rosters will be composed of each team's best 25 players from the 1901-1920 seasons... my reserve roster will be about 5-10 players... whenever the reserve roster gets low, I will import whatever players I need to fill it back up.

I will not use development and financials.

[Eugene Church]

What should ratings be set on?

Base ratings on... ?
Base potential ratings on... ?
Base fielding ratings on... ?
Base pitcher stamina on... ?

I have no idea what the various choices do.

[Brad K]

Eugene, nobody has done quite what you are doing. Any advice is a guess. Maybe an educated guess but still a guess. Plus there's the issue of there being some question of whether adjust and weaken worked in the past the way Garlon has described. If he's wrong then entering the higher numbers is a change.

The ajust and weaken feature is to compensate for data that is unrealiable due to small sample size. So a guy as a one year career with 200 ABs and he's not adjusted on one year ratings. But he's highly adjusted if five year is selected because the standard for no adjustment is 1000 ABs. How does this make any sense? If 200 is good enough for one year it's good enough for five year.

This is why I suspect 24 and back were what you see is what you get, no multiplier behind the scenes and that using Garlon's method is a change. The devs have been completely silent on this despite multiple threads and Garlon has gone into hiding. I'm not saying my analysis is right but this sure looks like a ignore it and hope it goes away situation. Somebody screwed up.

[Brad K]

Originally Posted by Eugene Church

What should ratings be set on?

Base ratings on... ?
Base potential ratings on... ?
Base fielding ratings on... ?
Base pitcher stamina on... ?

I have no idea what the various choices do.

How can this be? What have you used in the past?

[sprague]

EC,
A guy for ootp 23 put out a quickstart called Goat 3.51
IT has pretty much every player in history, modelled on 3 or 4 best seasons.
I would update that to 25, then delete the players from there you don't want, no need to manually upload anyone then, and your choice is everyone from majors to negro players.
Suggestion anyway

[Garlon]

I have stated that OOTP25 Adjust/Weaken inputs are different than previous OOTP games.

In OOTP23 for example, I would enter 200/50 for batters when using 5yr recalc because OOTP was using those values as the average for 5 seasons, so it was essentially scaling those up to 1000/250 internally.

With OOTP25 the game does not scale anything up, so you need to put in what you want for 5yr recalc. In this instance you would type in 1000/250 for batters when playing OOTP25.

I suggest using doubl-weight in OOTP25 because in previous OOTP games since it was internally scaling your Adjust/Weaken settings the game was making an additional adjustment for how it handles rookies and players in their final season. With 5yr recalc rookie only really has 3 seasons of statistics, so in OOTP23 it would take that 200/50 and scale it to 600/150 for a rookie. However, OOTP25 does not adjust for rookies in this way, so if yo type in 1000/250 it will still look for 1000 AB over those first 3 seasons. If you use double-weight you are at least counting their rookie season twice then in the total sample that the game is using.

[Reed]

Originally Posted by Eugene Church

What should ratings be set on?

Base ratings on... ?
Base potential ratings on... ?
Base fielding ratings on... ?
Base pitcher stamina on... ?

I have no idea what the various choices do.

You have a very unique setup so like Brad said it would pretty much be a guess as to what the “best” set up would be. Actually there are probably more than 1 that would work fine. It comes down to personal preference.

I assume this is for your historic all star league so MY personal preference would be
Base ratings on—I would select 1 yr recalc (not double weight)
Potential—remaining years
Fielding—3years
Stamina—3year
Adjust/weaken—-default (Probably won’t even come into play since it sounds like your players will be above this threshold anyway.)

1 yr recalc increases the chances for an outlier type season but since you are playing with all star type players the chances of an outlier season is pretty remote. (And an outlier season is not a bad thing unless it is really out there IMO)