My 2004 Hall of Fame ballot - Page 3

Eckstein 4 Prez · 12-04-2003, 12:32 PM

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Originally posted by Brick
The HOF is more short of 3B than 2B. The best player not in the HOF that is eligible (not getting into the Pete Rose argument) is Ron Santo.

Agreed 100%, but that's up to the Veterans' Committee now.

Jason Moyer · 12-04-2003, 12:33 PM

Re: Sandberg vs Whitaker/Grich, I think both Lou and Bobby deserve to be in there too.

Jason

LivnLegend · 12-04-2003, 12:43 PM

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Originally posted by Jason Moyer
Re: Sandberg vs Whitaker/Grich, I think both Lou and Bobby deserve to be in there too.

Jason

Well, maybe so then. Glad to see Bobby Grich getting some recognition from someone other than me. I have long felt his contributions were very underrated.

I'm also glad to see Molitor rallying here. He was in danger of not being inducted by us but looks like he may have climbed over the 75% mark as of now.

Molitor was one of my first autographs collected as a kid. He signed his 1980 Topps card in ballpoint for me before a spring training game in Palm Springs, CA. I got him, Yount, and Gatner all on the same day. I still have all three cards.

Eckstein 4 Prez · 12-04-2003, 03:41 PM

With 15 votes so far.....

Bert Blyleven 13/15 87%
Paul Molitor 11/15 73%
Alan Trammell 7/15 47%
Dennis Eckersley 7/15 47%
Ryne Sandberg 5/15 33%
Rich Gossage 5/15 33%
Jim Rice 4/15 27%
Ted Simmons (write-in) 3/15 20%
Bruce Sutter 3/15 20%
Dale Murphy 2/15 13%
Juan Samuel 1/15 7%
Steve Garvey 1/15 7%
Tommy John 1/15 7%
Don Mattingly 1/15 7%
Luis Tiant 1/15 7%

Molitor is right on the edge... anyone going to step up and push him over the top (or back down to the pack)?

Maybe I'll update this again later if there are more votes and I'm not feeling all lazy.....

ctorg · 12-04-2003, 03:49 PM

It's amazing to me that Blyleven has avoided the Hall for this long. It's about time he got in.

Mel_Ott · 12-04-2003, 04:00 PM

You know what? I'm gonna add Molitor to my list. I was keeping him off because he was mainly a DH, and part of me thinks it's wrong to have someone in the hall for playing that abomination of a 'position'.

OTOH, Paul didn't make out the lineup card. His managers did. He probably would have been an adequate first baseman for most of his career if he'd had the opportunity. I shouldn't penalize Molitor for having been born into his era and for having played in the AL for managers who chose to use him that way. He couldn't do anything about that. What he could do, was be a damn fine hitter for a long time.

So, Molitor in, too.

AnotherAlias · 12-04-2003, 04:38 PM

Who's Simba?

Gastric ReFlux · 12-04-2003, 04:49 PM

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Originally posted by AnotherAlias
Who's Simba?

Ted Simmons I think.

The Professor · 12-04-2003, 05:14 PM

"Simba" is the nickname of Ted Simmons...because of his long locks

Gastric ReFlux · 12-04-2003, 05:25 PM

The Lion King

Black Lightning · 12-04-2003, 07:05 PM

Jim Rice
Andre Dawson
Dave Parker
Lee Smith

blackamus · 12-04-2003, 07:49 PM

Paul Molitor
Dale Murphy
Bert Blyleven

GForce22 · 12-04-2003, 09:13 PM

Andre Dawson and Dave Parker? May I ask why they are deserving, in your opinion?

GH

jgross68 · 12-05-2003, 02:11 AM

My votes:
Bert Blyleven - sixto and dougaiton stated his case very nicely, though I doubt very seriously he'll ever be enshrined.
Ryne Sandberg - I'm a longtime Sandberg homer. I think he'll get in this year, certainly within his first five years on the ballot - and he deserves to.
Dale Murphy - Has two MVP's but no transcendant achievement to define his career. Two MVP's and a transcendant achievement haven't been enough for Roger Maris, so should Murphy be in? Probably not. But even though he played in relative anonymity in pre-Cox/Mazzone Atlanta he was, like sixto noted, feared - and with good reason, so I'll kick in with Murph here too.

ctorg · 12-05-2003, 11:09 AM

I don't think Dale Murphy belongs in the Hall. He was a very good player for a few years, but many others have been that without going to the Hall for it.

Blyleven is the most deserving, IMO.

Eckersley belongs in there. Not only was he a phenomenal closer, he's really the first of his kind. Plus, he was a successful starter before that.

I've always liked Molitor and think he should be in.

Andre Dawson is borderline. I think I'd put him in, but I don't know if he'll get in this year.

Juan Samuel? As a Met fan, that name brings back bad memories.

Ryne Sandberg was a great second baseman, and I think he definitely deserves the Hall.

Mattingly, Hernandez, Trammell, Rice: Not quite enough for me.

Eckstein 4 Prez · 12-05-2003, 12:47 PM

We've currently got 19 votes (and a late buffalo waffle)....

Bert Blyleven 16/19 84%
Paul Molitor 14/19 74%
Dennis Eckersley 8/19 42%
Alan Trammell 7/19 37%
Ryne Sandberg 7/19 37%
Rich Gossage 5/19 26%
Jim Rice 5/19 26%
Dale Murphy 4/19 21%
Ted Simmons (write-in) 3/19 16%
Bruce Sutter 3/19 16%
Andre Dawson 2/19 11%
Juan Samuel 1/19 5%
Steve Garvey 1/19 5%
Tommy John 1/19 5%
Don Mattingly 1/19 5%
Luis Tiant 1/19 5%
Dave Parker 1/19 5%
Lee Smith 1/19 5%

Molitor just can't quite make it over the hump.....

Also, look at all the worthy guys we'd be on the verge of bumping from the ballot. I'm not necessarily saying Garvey, Mattingly, Tommy John or Lee Smith should be in the Hall, but shouldn't they at least stay on the ballot?

Maybe I'll update this again later if there are more votes and I'm not feeling all lazy..... [/B][/QUOTE]

Carlton · 12-05-2003, 03:36 PM

Thank you Prfo and LL

I knew OF Simmons but never knew how great he truly was.

Learn something everyday.

But, since I, a baseball fan, never heard of him...maybe that's why no one voted?

Carlton · 12-05-2003, 03:38 PM

Oh and as a Phillies Phan,

I know VERY WELL of how great Dale Murphy was...man I hated seeing him step up...

I'll vote for Bly and Murphy

LivnLegend · 12-05-2003, 04:07 PM

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Originally posted by Eckstein 4 Prez
Also, look at all the worthy guys we'd be on the verge of bumping from the ballot. I'm not necessarily saying Garvey, Mattingly, Tommy John or Lee Smith should be in the Hall, but shouldn't they at least stay on the ballot?

There is a serious anti-Steve Garvey backlash in this forum affecting his otherwise sure-fire Hall status! I blame Eck and GR for their earlier digs at The Garv! and Aadik too!

Rasmuth · 12-05-2003, 05:07 PM

My vote...in no particular order:

Blyleven
T.John
Gossage
Garvey
Molitor

12-04-2003, 12:33 PM	#42
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12-04-2003, 03:41 PM	#44
Eckstein 4 Prez Hall Of Famer Join Date: Dec 2002 Location: The OC Posts: 6,358	With 15 votes so far..... Bert Blyleven 13/15 87% Paul Molitor 11/15 73% Alan Trammell 7/15 47% Dennis Eckersley 7/15 47% Ryne Sandberg 5/15 33% Rich Gossage 5/15 33% Jim Rice 4/15 27% Ted Simmons (write-in) 3/15 20% Bruce Sutter 3/15 20% Dale Murphy 2/15 13% Juan Samuel 1/15 7% Steve Garvey 1/15 7% Tommy John 1/15 7% Don Mattingly 1/15 7% Luis Tiant 1/15 7% Molitor is right on the edge... anyone going to step up and push him over the top (or back down to the pack)? Maybe I'll update this again later if there are more votes and I'm not feeling all lazy..... __________________ Looking for an insomnia cure? Check out my dynasty thread, The Dawn of American Professional Base Ball, 1871.

12-04-2003, 03:49 PM	#45
ctorg Global Moderator Join Date: Nov 2002 Location: Queens, NY Posts: 9,848	It's amazing to me that Blyleven has avoided the Hall for this long. It's about time he got in. __________________ My music "When the trees blow back and forth, that's what makes the wind." - Steven Wright Fjord emena pancreas thorax fornicate marmalade morpheme proteolysis smaxa cabana offal srue vitriol grope hallelujah lentils

12-04-2003, 04:00 PM	#46
Mel_Ott Registered User Join Date: Apr 2002 Location: Where the deer and the antelope play Posts: 924	You know what? I'm gonna add Molitor to my list. I was keeping him off because he was mainly a DH, and part of me thinks it's wrong to have someone in the hall for playing that abomination of a 'position'. OTOH, Paul didn't make out the lineup card. His managers did. He probably would have been an adequate first baseman for most of his career if he'd had the opportunity. I shouldn't penalize Molitor for having been born into his era and for having played in the AL for managers who chose to use him that way. He couldn't do anything about that. What he could do, was be a damn fine hitter for a long time. So, Molitor in, too. __________________ jgross's worst nightmare!!!!111 Owner, Sin City Swingers, OBTL

12-04-2003, 05:14 PM	#49
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12-04-2003, 07:05 PM	#51
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12-04-2003, 09:13 PM	#53
GForce22 Banned Join Date: Jan 2002 Location: Long Island, NY Posts: 2,654	Andre Dawson and Dave Parker? May I ask why they are deserving, in your opinion? GH

12-05-2003, 02:11 AM	#54
jgross68 All Star Reserve Join Date: Feb 2002 Location: ....is everything! OTA: .882, Member #866 Posts: 690	My votes: Bert Blyleven - sixto and dougaiton stated his case very nicely, though I doubt very seriously he'll ever be enshrined. Ryne Sandberg - I'm a longtime Sandberg homer. I think he'll get in this year, certainly within his first five years on the ballot - and he deserves to. Dale Murphy - Has two MVP's but no transcendant achievement to define his career. Two MVP's and a transcendant achievement haven't been enough for Roger Maris, so should Murphy be in? Probably not. But even though he played in relative anonymity in pre-Cox/Mazzone Atlanta he was, like sixto noted, feared - and with good reason, so I'll kick in with Murph here too. __________________ Javier Gustavo Ruprecht Oss LXVIII Bizarro-Gastric ReFlux Emeritus Judo Purist and Supporter of Monkey Rodeo Leagues: OTBL \| ABC \| OCHO \| Off The Wall (Coming Soon!) Blogs: The Legacy of Tony Womack \| How We Got Enron! ...the musical (Now even less frequently updated!) Topical quote for any occasion: "Never wear your best trousers when you go out to fight for freedom and truth." ~Henrik Ibsen, "An Enemy of the People"

12-05-2003, 11:09 AM	#55
ctorg Global Moderator Join Date: Nov 2002 Location: Queens, NY Posts: 9,848	I don't think Dale Murphy belongs in the Hall. He was a very good player for a few years, but many others have been that without going to the Hall for it. Blyleven is the most deserving, IMO. Eckersley belongs in there. Not only was he a phenomenal closer, he's really the first of his kind. Plus, he was a successful starter before that. I've always liked Molitor and think he should be in. Andre Dawson is borderline. I think I'd put him in, but I don't know if he'll get in this year. Juan Samuel? As a Met fan, that name brings back bad memories. Ryne Sandberg was a great second baseman, and I think he definitely deserves the Hall. Mattingly, Hernandez, Trammell, Rice: Not quite enough for me. __________________ My music "When the trees blow back and forth, that's what makes the wind." - Steven Wright Fjord emena pancreas thorax fornicate marmalade morpheme proteolysis smaxa cabana offal srue vitriol grope hallelujah lentils

12-05-2003, 12:47 PM	#56
Eckstein 4 Prez Hall Of Famer Join Date: Dec 2002 Location: The OC Posts: 6,358	We've currently got 19 votes (and a late buffalo waffle).... Bert Blyleven 16/19 84% Paul Molitor 14/19 74% Dennis Eckersley 8/19 42% Alan Trammell 7/19 37% Ryne Sandberg 7/19 37% Rich Gossage 5/19 26% Jim Rice 5/19 26% Dale Murphy 4/19 21% Ted Simmons (write-in) 3/19 16% Bruce Sutter 3/19 16% Andre Dawson 2/19 11% Juan Samuel 1/19 5% Steve Garvey 1/19 5% Tommy John 1/19 5% Don Mattingly 1/19 5% Luis Tiant 1/19 5% Dave Parker 1/19 5% Lee Smith 1/19 5% Molitor just can't quite make it over the hump..... Also, look at all the worthy guys we'd be on the verge of bumping from the ballot. I'm not necessarily saying Garvey, Mattingly, Tommy John or Lee Smith should be in the Hall, but shouldn't they at least stay on the ballot? Maybe I'll update this again later if there are more votes and I'm not feeling all lazy..... [/B][/QUOTE] __________________ Looking for an insomnia cure? Check out my dynasty thread, The Dawn of American Professional Base Ball, 1871.

12-05-2003, 03:36 PM	#57
Carlton Hall Of Famer Join Date: Mar 2002 Posts: 3,765	Thank you Prfo and LL I knew OF Simmons but never knew how great he truly was. Learn something everyday. But, since I, a baseball fan, never heard of him...maybe that's why no one voted? __________________ "I am at that stage of my life where I keep myself out of arguments. I am 100% self sufficient spiritually, emotionally & financially. Even if you say 1+1=5, you are ABSOLUTELY CORRECT. Enjoy!"

12-05-2003, 03:38 PM	#58
Carlton Hall Of Famer Join Date: Mar 2002 Posts: 3,765	Oh and as a Phillies Phan, I know VERY WELL of how great Dale Murphy was...man I hated seeing him step up... I'll vote for Bly and Murphy __________________ "I am at that stage of my life where I keep myself out of arguments. I am 100% self sufficient spiritually, emotionally & financially. Even if you say 1+1=5, you are ABSOLUTELY CORRECT. Enjoy!"

12-05-2003, 05:07 PM	#60
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