What are the new features?

[LacSlyer]

Originally Posted by Curve Ball Dave

Oooor, the vendor can say, "Here is our product, these are the features." Make it easy for the customer. And doing research of past versions won't tell you will be in the version currently for sale.



So if there's nothing wrong with asking for more information, why are you bellyaching at those who want more information?



Who is accusing whom of what?



Yes they can market it any way the want. Pointing out that not showing potential customers what is they are being solicited to purchase is an ineffective counterproductive strategy is a critique of said marketing.

Still want to know why it is a good marketing strategy to not tell potential buyers what is being offered for sale.

Look, I get wanting more info on the game, but you guys also need to realize that the people interested in buying this game day one aren't typical gamers who need to be sold on it. The vast majority of day one sales, probably month one even, are people already experienced with the franchise and have a good idea of what they're getting.


Marketing a niche game, hell, as niche of game as it gets, as though average people are going to be interested in it is just a waste of money.



Yes, it's ok for the usual buyers to be curious about updates, but acting like they need to market this game in a way to get people to buy it shows a lack of understanding of who is buying this game.



If you're not satisfied with the lack of update and aren't sure about purchasing the game... just wait a week to purchase. It's really not that complicated.

[Sweed]

Originally Posted by Poweshow

This thread happens every year and every year I shake my head at people defending the actions of OOTP.

Grown-ass men cheerleading for a company not disclosing the content of their product but pushing for people to preorder.

I've been at the OOTP game since OOTP 2. I loved the development, I looked forward to the game, I believed in the process. Nowadays, I simply have no respect for the development team. It's anti-consumer and they really dont deserve anybody's money, ESPECIALLY before the game is even released because of the antics leading up to a release. Every. Single. Year.

And grown-assed men whining "are we there yet" when they can get all of the info three days before the actual full release. Every. Single. Year. Don't forget them.

I'd love to get the list early too, but if it doesn't come until the BETA release, a full three days before the actual release I don't care. I get the game from Steam so they don't have my money. I have nothing to lose. If I still bought from FS I could do so without committing any money the same as Steam.

Right now that is the way the game is released, and as you said "Every. Single. Year.". Me? I put on my "grown-assed man" pants and don't let it affect my day to day life.

[snepp]

Originally Posted by Sweed

Me? I put on my "grown-assed man" pants and don't let it affect my day to day life.

Me? I want it MEOW!


*ducks*

[Syd Thrift]

I know this gets contentious every year but here's the deal:

- If you don't want to pre-order, don't. Nobody is telling you to pre-order. The pre-order is really more there for the people who buy every year sight unseen. The company gets some money early and they get a discount. It's nice for all sides.

- There is of course a cost to not ordering early. You'll have to pay more for the game. Yep. That's how that works.

- You still get that discount if you order within the first week. Within that time, not only will you get all the features, screenshots, and so on that you want, you'll get feedback from the others who have ordered the game.

- If you don't want to pay full price and the first week isn't enough time for you to decide, you can always wait until the All-Star Break.

So, this is the thing about having an exhaustive list of features put out before the final release: sometimes they don't all make it there. I hope I'm not speaking out of turn when I say that if there was any big add that is getting scrapped, it got scrapped very, very early in the development process, well before I joined the beta team. This is not always the case. Head to head play way back in the day is an excellent example of a feature that got axed (jeez I think that was a projected feature before they did the complete rewrite too). Sometimes you put something together and everything seems like it's working but then once it comes into contact with playtesting, you find out it doesn't really work. Sometimes there's some big fatal flaw it causes that ruins other aspects of the game - or it creates crashes, which is kind of a huge deal for a game that people sometimes just leave on for hours on end (and which, I have to say, has been pretty, pretty stable the last couple years that I can remember).

Like I said earlier too, this year the big updates seem to be mostly "under the hood". There's another beta guy who did a crap-ton of work on the multi-year project and I for sure don't want to steal his thunder by going into any detail as to that change (plus, I'm sure he can explain it much, much better than I can) but for historicals IMO it's a real game-changer (which I think will trickle down to fictional/modern day play as well). My experience is that this stuff is also the kind of thing that makes the same people who complain about the devs not focusing on the "little things" that "this isn't really a new version" but I guess we'll cross that bridge when we come to it.

[Poweshow]

Originally Posted by turkeybird86

The entitlement of you people is just outrageous. No one is pushing anything that every other developer doesn’t push. You don’t have to preorder. The discounts will still be there if you don’t. You don’t deserve anything. Stop being a prepubescent child.

Entitlement = wanting to know what you're spending your money on.
Just a straight coward.

[Sweed]

Originally Posted by snepp

Me? I want it MEOW!


*ducks*

[Poweshow]

Originally Posted by Sweed

And grown-assed men whining "are we there yet" when they can get all of the info three days before the actual full release. Every. Single. Year. Don't forget them.

I'd love to get the list early too, but if it doesn't come until the BETA release, a full three days before the actual release I don't care. I get the game from Steam so they don't have my money. I have nothing to lose. If I still bought from FS I could do so without committing any money the same as Steam.

Right now that is the way the game is released, and as you said "Every. Single. Year.". Me? I put on my "grown-assed man" pants and don't let it affect my day to day life.

Brother man, you're [loving] a company that is intentionally being mysterious and not disclosing information but happily taking money for the product. Imagine if a car company did this - "pre-order today and find out what you're getting when we start shipping!" A company that did something so anti-consumer should be lambasted into oblivion. Instead we have people on this forum that defend this crap.

I post on this forum like a few times per year - this isn't affecting me. But as indicated, I find it hilarious that grown-ass men defend this behavior from ANY company.

[Sweed]

Originally Posted by Poweshow

Brother man, you're [loving] a company that is intentionally being mysterious and not disclosing information but happily taking money for the product. Imagine if a car company did this - "pre-order today and find out what you're getting when we start shipping!" A company that did something so anti-consumer should be lambasted into oblivion. Instead we have people on this forum that defend this crap.

I post on this forum like a few times per year - this isn't affecting me. But as indicated, I find it hilarious that grown-ass men defend this behavior from ANY company.

As I find it hilarious that someone that rarely posts is so bothered (you can deny it all you want) to take the time to post.

[David Watts]

Originally Posted by Syd Thrift

I know this gets contentious every year but here's the deal:

- If you don't want to pre-order, don't. Nobody is telling you to pre-order. The pre-order is really more there for the people who buy every year sight unseen. The company gets some money early and they get a discount. It's nice for all sides.

- There is of course a cost to not ordering early. You'll have to pay more for the game. Yep. That's how that works.

- You still get that discount if you order within the first week. Within that time, not only will you get all the features, screenshots, and so on that you want, you'll get feedback from the others who have ordered the game.

- If you don't want to pay full price and the first week isn't enough time for you to decide, you can always wait until the All-Star Break.

So, this is the thing about having an exhaustive list of features put out before the final release: sometimes they don't all make it there. I hope I'm not speaking out of turn when I say that if there was any big add that is getting scrapped, it got scrapped very, very early in the development process, well before I joined the beta team. This is not always the case. Head to head play way back in the day is an excellent example of a feature that got axed (jeez I think that was a projected feature before they did the complete rewrite too). Sometimes you put something together and everything seems like it's working but then once it comes into contact with playtesting, you find out it doesn't really work. Sometimes there's some big fatal flaw it causes that ruins other aspects of the game - or it creates crashes, which is kind of a huge deal for a game that people sometimes just leave on for hours on end (and which, I have to say, has been pretty, pretty stable the last couple years that I can remember).

Like I said earlier too, this year the big updates seem to be mostly "under the hood". There's another beta guy who did a crap-ton of work on the multi-year project and I for sure don't want to steal his thunder by going into any detail as to that change (plus, I'm sure he can explain it much, much better than I can) but for historicals IMO it's a real game-changer (which I think will trickle down to fictional/modern day play as well). My experience is that this stuff is also the kind of thing that makes the same people who complain about the devs not focusing on the "little things" that "this isn't really a new version" but I guess we'll cross that bridge when we come to it.

Ugh, now I will spend all day trying to figure out what the multi-year project is?

[Sweed]

Originally Posted by Poweshow

Entitlement = wanting to know what you're spending your money on.
Just a straight coward.

Ah, but they will be informed before any transaction is required to be made to get the game. That information will be forthcoming while the discount is till in effect. Right?

One that thinks they can tell the seller the how and when they will be given a feature list does = Entitlement.

[phenom]

Originally Posted by Poweshow

This thread happens every year and every year I shake my head at people defending the actions of OOTP.

Grown-ass men cheerleading for a company not disclosing the content of their product but pushing for people to preorder.

I've been at the OOTP game since OOTP 2. I loved the development, I looked forward to the game, I believed in the process. Nowadays, I simply have no respect for the development team. It's anti-consumer and they really dont deserve anybody's money, ESPECIALLY before the game is even released because of the antics leading up to a release. Every. Single. Year.

Again, what exactly do you want? Because there are features discussed on the OOTP25 page and talked about on their YouTube channel and other places.

[turkeybird86]

Originally Posted by Poweshow

Entitlement = wanting to know what you're spending your money on.
Just a straight coward.

So wait until you have the full information, when it comes tomorrow. That’s entitlement whether you like it or not. You’ll get the information. You think you’re deserving of that information before everyone else for some reason. Entitlement.

[turkeybird86]

Originally Posted by Poweshow

Brother man, you're [loving] a company that is intentionally being mysterious and not disclosing information but happily taking money for the product. Imagine if a car company did this - "pre-order today and find out what you're getting when we start shipping!" A company that did something so anti-consumer should be lambasted into oblivion. Instead we have people on this forum that defend this crap.

I post on this forum like a few times per year - this isn't affecting me. But as indicated, I find it hilarious that grown-ass men defend this behavior from ANY company.

Ah, yes comparing a $50,000 purchase to a $30 purchase. That’s reasonable. ��*♂️ How about a real comparison. You’re buying a burger you don’t know if it’ll be good or not before you eat it. Happens at fast food restaurants all the time. ��. Not that big of a deal. Coward.

[drummerJ99]

Originally Posted by phenom

What do you want? An exact, fully-inclusive list of everything in the game? I mean, this page looks just about up to par with every single other product in the world that's released with "new features."

https://www.ootpdevelopments.com/out...-home-buy-now/

You are right...
"Much more to be announced!



The Hall of Fame partnership, Player Development Lab, and Tournament Sandbox are just a fraction of the many fun new features and improvements in Out of the Park Baseball 25!"

[pedersenk]

Originally Posted by phenom

Again, what exactly do you want? Because there are features discussed on the OOTP25 page and talked about on their YouTube channel and other places.

I've been buying yearly since OOTP4, so perhaps they could be like nearly every company releasing a new product and put the master (or even a partial) list in one place. In text. That's not an unreasonable request.

What has been talked about so far from the company is pretty minimal, along the lines of a Steam early access game.

[BaseballMan]

"We will announce the 25th version of Out of the Park Baseball"
was enough to convince me.

[OzzieFan]

I personally expected them to have to spend a LOT of time fixing the financials systems this year to get a system working where the dodgers backloaded a $700M contract. This would never have worked in OOTP 24.

[phenom]

Originally Posted by drummerJ99

You are right...
"Much more to be announced!



The Hall of Fame partnership, Player Development Lab, and Tournament Sandbox are just a fraction of the many fun new features and improvements in Out of the Park Baseball 25!"

Did you follow the links provided on that page for more information?

[phenom]

Originally Posted by pedersenk

I've been buying yearly since OOTP4, so perhaps they could be like nearly every company releasing a new product and put the master (or even a partial) list in one place. In text. That's not an unreasonable request.

What has been talked about so far from the company is pretty minimal, along the lines of a Steam early access game.

Have you watched the YouTube videos or any of the other things that talk about upcoming features, as shown on the product page?

[Bluenoser]

Step 1 - Announce a new product to potential customers. Release some info about said product to draw interest.

Step 2 - Offer a discount to those who wish to pre-purchase. Thereby giving potential customers a choice.

Step 3 - Release some more bits of info to keep interest, but not all info. Thus keep potential customers interested and excited for release

Step 4 - Release said product and remainder of details

Step 5 (Optional) - Continue pre-purchase discount for opening week, showing good faith to potential customers

Hmmmm, where have I seen this before? Ah yes, a common marketing strategy that has been utilized by many company's for many decades.

OOTP - Shame on you for copying others success.