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Old 08-08-2023, 01:01 PM   #21
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Since the beginning, many have stated the "Overall Rating" doesn't mean much, and these observations prove it. I can't help but conclude the so-called "randomness" is purposeful to insure getting a roster of all Perfects simply won't guarantee you anything.

If the Overall ratings are not really accurate, then any system to raise or lower them is going to be faulted too.
Yeah, but the rating change should be fairly realistic. Olson has a much higher OPS than Soto and Alvarez only played 10 games in the last stretch. Yet, they both go up 2 (with initial projections that gave them 98+ initial ratings) to 100 while he goes up 1 to 94.

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Add to that the randomness of a baseball game anyway - when a Perfect card will go 0-4 while an "75" will go 4-4 with 2 Homeruns, and it all becomes a crapshoot - exactly what the Devs want it to be.
But that's how games work. If perfect players always did better than 70 and 80-rated guys - what would be the point of playing? If you didn't have the money or time to get all perfect guys, you would eventually lose every game? That doesn't sound very fun. Now, I agree some of the playoff results are odd (I've seen a team with perfects and diamonds get swept by a team in the 70s and 80s), but that's part of playing a game. You can "stack the deck" with good players, but it is no guarantee - especially in a small sample.
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Old 08-08-2023, 11:25 PM   #22
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But that's how games work. If perfect players always did better than 70 and 80-rated guys - what would be the point of playing? If you didn't have the money or time to get all perfect guys, you would eventually lose every game? That doesn't sound very fun. Now, I agree some of the playoff results are odd (I've seen a team with perfects and diamonds get swept by a team in the 70s and 80s), but that's part of playing a game. You can "stack the deck" with good players, but it is no guarantee - especially in a small sample.

Yeah, that last comment was more of an after-thought that really didn't have anything to do with the issue.

But there definitely is something off-kilter with how the OVR ratings work and I can't help but think the Devs want that confusion.

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Old 08-30-2023, 05:27 PM   #23
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I was playing for the live updates this year, so this 'pick players and randomly change their numbers down 1 after they went up 40 OPS points' update was sort of a buzz kill.

I'm calling it in a wrap for 24. See you guys in PT25!
Okay... so this did last for most of this month

I didn't even bother getting back on to put Scott Rolen or Fred McGriff in my lineup after I had completed the HOF missions for a few weeks.

But I logged in two days ago and did a bunch of LIVE selling and buying.

Who do ya'll have going perfect? I would say obviously Mookie Betts (who I'm still holding), but after last update who knows, lol. Maybe he'll stay at 99.

Otherwise, I'm thinking Bryce Harper should definitely go back to 100, his OPS is at .899 now, up over 100 points since the last update. And Jose Altuve seems like the other likely candidate, OPS is up 50 points. Again, considering the last update, who knows.

And what about Josh Hader? FIP is down another .17 to 2.14, .78 ERA, only allowing an incredible 4 h/9 (!) and only 1 HR given up all year. Will he ever go up? lmao. Yeah, yeah, he walks a lot of guys, I know. But how he could have these numbers and his rating hasn't moved is just strange to me.
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Old 08-31-2023, 02:45 AM   #24
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Consulting Magic 8-Ball:

Mookie goes to 100. "Better not to tell you now." OOTP secret formula has Mookie as 99 44/100% pure, which rounds to 99. OTOH, Judge finally had a crap month...but Acuna didn't.

Josh Hader. "Outlook not so good." Strikes out 11 of 23 batters faced but still manages to allow 7 base runners and a .500 BABIP. Plus Devin Williams more IP and a better month. Plus Evan Phillips rock solid. Plus Diaz is the only Perfect closer, and his card isn't changing until next year.

Bryce Harper. "Signs point to yes." Great month, plus Alvarez has dropped 30 points of OPS despite hitting .300.

Jose Altuve. "Most likely." Great month, plus Arraez was in...uh, under...the tank after killing it in July.
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Old 08-31-2023, 04:33 AM   #25
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Consulting Magic 8-Ball:
Literally LMAO

Magic 8-ball sounds about right!

Hader gave up a bomb tonight, so he's out for sure.

Munoz remains a candidate, probably goes to 99, though.

And Sean Murphy, who knows. He dropped like 60 points last month in OPS, and he stayed at a 99, that was weird. Does he go up to 100 since he maintained the OPS this month? I have no idea anymore.

On the plus side, Alvarez, Arraez and Soto should drop to 97-99 again and be good candidates to go back up to 100 for the final month.
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Old 09-04-2023, 09:19 PM   #26
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Another mediocre performance by me on the update, and that's being generous considering all of the misses

I didn't think Sean Murphy was going up, so I was just holding the 5 of him for the next update. That's my first Perfect miss of the year (not having 10 of the guys who go perfect). Big L.

Totally whiffed on the diamonds as seems to be my pattern this year, absolutely pathetic showing this week, worst of the entire year - missed on Randy A, Michael Harris, Semien, George Kirby, Garver, Franco, Buxton - nearly 300K just thrown away.

Did well on the silvers to diamonds and had about 600 bronze's go to silver - so nailed it on the least important cards.

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Old 10-01-2023, 06:48 PM   #27
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A few thoughts and recommendations on the final update:

DIAMONDS to PERFECT

The only two players that are a lock to go from diamond to perfect are Matt Olson and Yandy Diaz. And crazy as it is, both are still easy to pick up cheap. Yandy is only going for 5K right now, with plenty of sell orders, and Olson's L10 is under 6K. These two are no-brainers, get 10 now and rake in that 140-150K profit on each.

Juan Soto certainly should go, but if you look at his OPS and ratings throughout the season, I'm not confident to say it's a lock. He could go 99 and a lot of people paying 12K are going to be pretty unhappy. But he's a fairly safe bet.

Luis Arraez also should reach perfect - he had an .838 OPS and dropped to a 98, and he's back up to .861 OPS, so that should be enough to put him back to 100, surely. But like Soto, I'd say he's a fairly safe bet, not a lock. He's cheap still, definitely worth picking up 10.

Yordon Alvarez is in the same boat. He's raised is OPS about 30 points since the last update, and sitting at a 98, that should get him to 100. Safe bet, but not a lock. Also going for about only 5.5K, definitely grab 10 of him.

An outside shot guy: Royce Lewis. Raised his OPS to .921 before injury, 45 points up from the last update. At .921 and a 149 OPS+ playing shortstop, he's a perfect 100 in my eyes, no question. But he's only a 91, so it'd be a big leap. However, you could probably pick up 10 with buy orders of 4400 (there's several available for less than that right now), so itd be a 4K risk in hopes of 156K profit.

Most overpriced player with little chance of going to perfect from my estimation: Gerrit Cole

Because of his traditional stats, and the fact he'll most certainly win the Cy Young, his prices are super inflated. He's a 92, needing to go up 8 points overall, and his FIP, FIP+ and other analytical stats are significantly behind other starters. Even with this good run, he's only at a 3.16 FIP, and a 3.60 FIP+. Unless they decide to throw out their usual ratings and make an exception for him, I don't see how he could reach perfect on the final update. I would not recommend stocking up on him; the opposite, sell him for 6-7K now.

There are no perfect starters in the game (except DeGrom, who has been injured for 90% of the season), and there are several with clearly better analytics than Cole.


GOLDS to DIAMONDS

I'm going to leave a lot of guys out here who are borderline and focus more on the guys with that still have low L10s that I think are locks or likely to go to diamond.

Brandon Nimmo: He's a lock. OPS up 40 points and he only needs to go up 1.

Jhoan Duran has dropped his FIP by 16 points, his FIP+ is even better, and he's an 89 right now - I consider him close to a lock to go diamond.

Brusdar Graterol is another guy sitting on 89, and he has dropped his FIP 10 points since the last update. Very solid chance he'll go to diamond.

Willson Contreras: He's an 88 overall and has increased his OPS by over 40 points. Lock.

William Contreras: He's an 89 overall and has increased his OPS by 9 points. Solid chance, low L10, worth grabbing 10.

Logan Webb: Has dropped his FIP to 3.17 (down 10 points) and is an 88 right now. He's on the edge; I'd be disappointed if he doesn't end up a diamond, really great season from him.

Adley Rutschman has improved his OPS by 22 points, and he's an 88. Would almost call him a lock. He was above a 90 earlier in the season when he maintained an OPS over .800, and right now he is at .809.

Austin Riley: OPS has increased 16 points to .860. He's an 88, so he's on the edge here, could end up an 89, should go to 90.

Ryan Jeffers: OPS has increased from .838 to .861 and he's an 87 right now. Good chance to go diamond.

Tyler Glasnow and Zac Gallen: Both have lowered their FIPs, and I'd predict both are going to go diamond - but neither is a lock.

Seiya Suzuki feels like he has a great chance. He's up 70 points on his OPS. He's only an 84, though, so who knows. Could end up an 88 or 89.

Justin Steele and Tanner Scott: Both guys have maintained their incredible stats through the end of the year, and both have gone up significantly already (20 and 30 points), so decent chance they go up to diamond.

There are half dozen other guys I think could go, but iffy either way.

Most overpriced player with little chance of going to perfect from my estimation: Blake Snell

Like Cole, hyper-inflated because of traditional stats and he's going to win the Cy Young. Like Cole, he has a 3.60 FIP+ and a fairly high 3.44 FIP. He's an 83, so going up 7 to a diamond seems unlikely. Again, maybe they'll make an exception for him and we'll see him have an unexpected jump. But his analytics don't justify a diamond rating in comparison to other starters. I'd recommend passing on him and selling him now for the inflated prices.


SILVER to DIAMOND?

One guy worth grabbing 10 of FOR SURE is Nolan Jones. He's a 78 overall, he's brought his OPS up to a .924, and if there is any guy who could make the leap all the way to diamond from silver, it would be him. He's a guarantee to go gold, so paying the 500-600PP he's going for right now is a no-brainer anyways, since there's an actual zero percent chance he doesn't go gold.

I'm holding around 600 silvers that I think have a shot to go gold, so there's plenty there to choose from - too many to go into.

Anyways, hopefully this helps a few people grab some guys and invest wisely before the final update hits.
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Old 10-01-2023, 08:40 PM   #28
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A few thoughts and recommendations on the final update:

DIAMONDS to PERFECT

The only two players that are a lock to go from diamond to perfect are Matt Olson and Yandy Diaz. And crazy as it is, both are still easy to pick up cheap. Yandy is only going for 5K right now, with plenty of sell orders, and Olson's L10 is under 6K. These two are no-brainers, get 10 now and rake in that 140-150K profit on each.

Juan Soto certainly should go, but if you look at his OPS and ratings throughout the season, I'm not confident to say it's a lock. He could go 99 and a lot of people paying 12K are going to be pretty unhappy. But he's a fairly safe bet.

Luis Arraez also should reach perfect - he had an .838 OPS and dropped to a 98, and he's back up to .861 OPS, so that should be enough to put him back to 100, surely. But like Soto, I'd say he's a fairly safe bet, not a lock. He's cheap still, definitely worth picking up 10.

Yordon Alvarez is in the same boat. He's raised is OPS about 30 points since the last update, and sitting at a 98, that should get him to 100. Safe bet, but not a lock. Also going for about only 5.5K, definitely grab 10 of him.

An outside shot guy: Royce Lewis. Raised his OPS to .921 before injury, 45 points up from the last update. At .921 and a 149 OPS+ playing shortstop, he's a perfect 100 in my eyes, no question. But he's only a 91, so it'd be a big leap. However, you could probably pick up 10 with buy orders of 4400 (there's several available for less than that right now), so itd be a 4K risk in hopes of 156K profit.

Most overpriced player with little chance of going to perfect from my estimation: Gerrit Cole

Because of his traditional stats, and the fact he'll most certainly win the Cy Young, his prices are super inflated. He's a 92, needing to go up 8 points overall, and his FIP, FIP+ and other analytical stats are significantly behind other starters. Even with this good run, he's only at a 3.16 FIP, and a 3.60 FIP+. Unless they decide to throw out their usual ratings and make an exception for him, I don't see how he could reach perfect on the final update. I would not recommend stocking up on him; the opposite, sell him for 6-7K now.

There are no perfect starters in the game (except DeGrom, who has been injured for 90% of the season), and there are several with clearly better analytics than Cole.


GOLDS to DIAMONDS

I'm going to leave a lot of guys out here who are borderline and focus more on the guys with that still have low L10s that I think are locks or likely to go to diamond.

Brandon Nimmo: He's a lock. OPS up 40 points and he only needs to go up 1.

Jhoan Duran has dropped his FIP by 16 points, his FIP+ is even better, and he's an 89 right now - I consider him close to a lock to go diamond.

Brusdar Graterol is another guy sitting on 89, and he has dropped his FIP 10 points since the last update. Very solid chance he'll go to diamond.

Willson Contreras: He's an 88 overall and has increased his OPS by over 40 points. Lock.

William Contreras: He's an 89 overall and has increased his OPS by 9 points. Solid chance, low L10, worth grabbing 10.

Logan Webb: Has dropped his FIP to 3.17 (down 10 points) and is an 88 right now. He's on the edge; I'd be disappointed if he doesn't end up a diamond, really great season from him.

Adley Rutschman has improved his OPS by 22 points, and he's an 88. Would almost call him a lock. He was above a 90 earlier in the season when he maintained an OPS over .800, and right now he is at .809.

Austin Riley: OPS has increased 16 points to .860. He's an 88, so he's on the edge here, could end up an 89, should go to 90.

Ryan Jeffers: OPS has increased from .838 to .861 and he's an 87 right now. Good chance to go diamond.

Tyler Glasnow and Zac Gallen: Both have lowered their FIPs, and I'd predict both are going to go diamond - but neither is a lock.

Seiya Suzuki feels like he has a great chance. He's up 70 points on his OPS. He's only an 84, though, so who knows. Could end up an 88 or 89.

Justin Steele and Tanner Scott: Both guys have maintained their incredible stats through the end of the year, and both have gone up significantly already (20 and 30 points), so decent chance they go up to diamond.

There are half dozen other guys I think could go, but iffy either way.

Most overpriced player with little chance of going to perfect from my estimation: Blake Snell

Like Cole, hyper-inflated because of traditional stats and he's going to win the Cy Young. Like Cole, he has a 3.60 FIP+ and a fairly high 3.44 FIP. He's an 83, so going up 7 to a diamond seems unlikely. Again, maybe they'll make an exception for him and we'll see him have an unexpected jump. But his analytics don't justify a diamond rating in comparison to other starters. I'd recommend passing on him and selling him now for the inflated prices.


SILVER to DIAMOND?

One guy worth grabbing 10 of FOR SURE is Nolan Jones. He's a 78 overall, he's brought his OPS up to a .924, and if there is any guy who could make the leap all the way to diamond from silver, it would be him. He's a guarantee to go gold, so paying the 500-600PP he's going for right now is a no-brainer anyways, since there's an actual zero percent chance he doesn't go gold.

I'm holding around 600 silvers that I think have a shot to go gold, so there's plenty there to choose from - too many to go into.

Anyways, hopefully this helps a few people grab some guys and invest wisely before the final update hits.
This is great stuff...but I think it's actually gonna be worth holding Cole and Snell due to the fact that I would expect missions focused on award winners. If Cole/Snell win the Cy Young, they will be in that mission. I'm not as bullish on Yandy Diaz, but definitely worth picking up a few if the price is right.

L10's have tanked a little bit, so now might be a good time to buy.
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This is great stuff...but I think it's actually gonna be worth holding Cole and Snell due to the fact that I would expect missions focused on award winners. If Cole/Snell win the Cy Young, they will be in that mission. I'm not as bullish on Yandy Diaz, but definitely worth picking up a few if the price is right.

L10's have tanked a little bit, so now might be a good time to buy.
Great point about Snell and Cole! I just bought one of each to hold for those likely missions.

Diaz had a .909 OPS at the last update, and he's finished the season at .932, up 23 points, with an average of .330 (which seems to be favored a bit more than OBP - i.e. Arraez). I could be wrong, but seems like a lock to me.
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Got a bit of a late start due to concentrating on league play. Guys I'm holding:

Diaz, Alvarez, Olson, and taking a flyer on Corbin Carroll. Fangraphs has him with the #8 WAR for the season, and his September was pretty good. He also easily outpaced his projections in 2023. Unlikely but possible, and the price is still only about 4500.

Conteras (Willson) and Nimmo.

Joe Kelly, Sean Bouchard, Harold Ramirez, Jason Heyward because he's cheap and had a very good month, Dylan Cease because I keep pulling him in packs.

Tarik Skubal, Jon Berti, Edward Olivares, Christian Encarnacion-Strand.

Only about a quarter million if things go right, but I'm not buying in at 12,000+ on additional Diamonds this late.
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Thanks, OP. Your post got me close to 400K in points. I'm now at 1.1M. A couple months I did my own, but this month I wasn't going to bother until I saw your 10-01 post and I decided to just go off your advice and it paid off very well. Good job!
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Made 560k. Only real miss was Soto only getting +3 and not +4 to go 100. Otherwise I hit on everyone I had, even on Cole who I only bought one of for award spec.
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A heads up:

Even though LIVE updates are over, there is still going to be a mission set for the award winners - Silver Sluggers, Gold Gloves, MVP, Cy Young, ROTY, Relievers of the Year, All-MLB First and Second Team.

Most of the awards have already been announced and even for the few that haven't (All-MLB and Relievers), it's fairly easy to see who is going to be there.

Make sure to pick these guys up between now and mid-December, as missions will likely come end of December to mid-January for those, a lot cheaper if you do it that way.

For any Devs that are reading: I'd love to finally see a great card reward for these instead of just a rainbow pack for completing all the missions. The All-MLB mission set as well as MVP and Silver Slugger, etc are going to contain a lot of perfects this year (more than the last two years). It'd really give some life to LIVE pulls for a while if there was a great card you get for completing all the missions (2023 MVP Acuna or something like that?). Or maybe a 2022 Judge MVP card.

Thanks for considering.
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