AI Logic

[krownroyal83]

Does being on the trade block affect the player in any way?

[AlpineSK]

Originally Posted by Adam B

Just because someone is on the Trade Block doesn't mean it's not they're getting moved. There's very few players in the entire league who no team would ever take a trade offer for. Heck, even Gretzky got moved. What has been changed over the years was the likelihood the players move. This was even an emphasis that was focused on on 9. Good players aren't getting moved for nothing, short of cap needs.

The other side is "No one is ever on the trade block!" You can't have it both ways.

Sorry, Adam. This is a pretty bad take. Openly expressing a desire to trade a player (i.e. putting them on the trade block) has consequences to the relationship between the player and the team, in real life at least.

That said, I'd be SHOCKED if you saw Ottawa move a guy like Strutzle, or New Jersey move Jack Hughes, for example.

Sure, everyone has "a price" but often times with a lot of these players that price is something that no one would ever be willing to pay.

[Hawkguy]

Originally Posted by krownroyal83

I understand. My point is this does not happen to this degree in real life, so when something like does happen in a game it makes it unrealistic to me thus less immersive.

Because humans are smart I enough to manipulate the cap day by day. AI will never be that smart.

My point stands thats that you said MLB AI is smart but they'd have the same issues if they had the same restrictions.

[AlpineSK]

Originally Posted by Adam B

The Oilers were burning money which is why they blew up the team in the first place.

This is revisionist history. The Oilers didn't "blow up the team." Two years after Gretzky was traded they won a Stanley Cup, and then made two more conference finals.

[krownroyal83]

Originally Posted by Hawkguy

Because humans are smart I enough to manipulate the cap day by day. AI will never be that smart.

My point stands thats that you said MLB AI is smart but they'd have the same issues if they had the same restrictions.

Cap or no cap the AI in Ootp baseball is better. I don’t know if I said it was smarter. I don’t think many that have played both games for years would disagree with me.

[Adam B]

Originally Posted by AlpineSK

Sorry, Adam. This is a pretty bad take. Openly expressing a desire to trade a player (i.e. putting them on the trade block) has consequences to the relationship between the player and the team, in real life at least.

That said, I'd be SHOCKED if you saw Ottawa move a guy like Strutzle, or New Jersey move Jack Hughes, for example.

Sure, everyone has "a price" but often times with a lot of these players that price is something that no one would ever be willing to pay.

You can disagree, but it is not a bad take. Good GM's market players and talk about them all the time. Just because a trade doesn't happen right away doesn't mean it won't happen. Go back and watch the Red Wings documentary and hear how many times they talked about Chelios before he finally got moved.

Things change day to day, but there's only a handful of people who have team would never move unless the player asked for it.

Originally Posted by AlpineSK

This is revisionist history. The Oilers didn't "blow up the team." Two years after Gretzky was traded they won a Stanley Cup, and then made two more conference finals.

Just because a team didn't immediately blow up, doesn't mean it didn't happen. It happened after the 90 Cup, but that still happened. It's Coffey, Messier, Kurri, Fuhr, etc were all off that team in very short order which was likely unthinkable just a few years prior.

[renojedi]

This is a good response. The only thing I would add is most of the time a player doesn't know he's on the block in the situations you mentioned because he really isn't. It is more of I don't want to trade him but if I get an offer I can't refuse, I'll listen. Doesn't the way the game does this lead to poor relationships that could negatively influence them resigning with that team when their contract is up since they know they are on the block?

[krownroyal83]

Originally Posted by renojedi

This is a good response. The only thing I would add is most of the time a player doesn't know he's on the block in the situations you mentioned because he really isn't. It is more of I don't want to trade him but if I get an offer I can't refuse, I'll listen. Doesn't the way the game does this lead to poor relationships that could negatively influence them resigning with that team when their contract is up since they know they are on the block?

This is what I want to know. You can't have every superstar with a big contract on the block if it's going to negatively affect their performance.

[Savoie45]

Originally Posted by AlpineSK

Sorry, Adam. This is a pretty bad take. Openly expressing a desire to trade a player (i.e. putting them on the trade block) has consequences to the relationship between the player and the team, in real life at least.

That said, I'd be SHOCKED if you saw Ottawa move a guy like Strutzle, or New Jersey move Jack Hughes, for example.

Sure, everyone has "a price" but often times with a lot of these players that price is something that no one would ever be willing to pay.

Well obviously teams are, as there have been plenty of top players that have been moved for one reason or another. It's going to happen in the game and it's going to happen in reality. How often it happens in the game and at what price is the difference.

[WarningTrakPower]

Hey Adam,

Does a player being added to the trading block affect their morale / performance at all?

Thanks.

[tk43]

I have to agree with Adam here...

I've seen many top end players on the trade block, but I was never able to get them. In FHM 9, Adam Fox is on the trade block every year and even offering a 5 star potential prospect a 4 star player and 3 first round picks the rangers still wouldn't trade him to me....
I see lot's of top end on the trade block, it is next to impossible to get them!

Just as an FYI, my trading difficulty is set to very, very hard.

[tomkmb]

Originally Posted by tk43

I have to agree with Adam here...

I've seen many top end players on the trade block, but I was never able to get them. In FHM 9, Adam Fox is on the trade block every year and even offering a 5 star potential prospect a 4 star player and 3 first round picks the rangers still wouldn't trade him to me....
I see lot's of top end on the trade block, it is next to impossible to get them!

Just as an FYI, my trading difficulty is set to very, very hard.

The thing that I'd still like to know is, how does having them on the trade block help the teams cap situation with the AI? because if they're that hard to trade for (rightfully so) then actually having them on the block isn't helping their cap situation at all? Unless it acts as some sort of flag to the AI to make trades for other players on their team, though I'm not sure that would be the most straight forward way of thinking about it ; I'm just guessing here but yeah, it seems pointless to me if these stars are put on the block because of cap trouble but they're impossible to trade for.

[Castleview]

I had a similar situation in an historical game (no cap). There was a 4 star player on the trade block, but the only player of mine
they would accept was a 5 star player who I was never going to trade.

I also offered 3 star and 3.5 star players but they were not considered good enough.
I like the fact that it's harder to acquire star players, but there should probably be some slight flexibility with it
when the player is on the trade block.
e.g. one of those lesser players plus a prospect, or draft pick, would be reasonable.