AI Logic

[krownroyal83]

I have not purchased FHM in a long time but will be this time around but watching a recent stream of the new game has me a bit concerned about the AI's ability to navigate around cap issues. Looking at the screen shot you can see that Ottawa has put Tim Stutzle on the trading block. A 4.5 star/5 star potential 21 year old coming off a 90 point season would never even sniff the trade block. I understand that when a team is having cap issues the AI needs to step in and make moves and the AI will not be as good as a human GM but seeing things like this does not give me confidence that the AI in this game is going to be at least competent enough to make this game at least close to the realm of realistic.

[WarningTrakPower]

I believe that the AI has been putting top end players on the trade block for multiple releases of FHM now.

Here is a link to the thread I started in March: https://forums.ootpdevelopments.com/...d.php?t=344615

[krownroyal83]

Originally Posted by WarningTrakPower

I believe that the AI has been putting top end players on the trade block for multiple releases of FHM now.

Here is a link to the thread I started in March: https://forums.ootpdevelopments.com/...d.php?t=344615

Looking at that thread, it doesn't seem very promising that this was fixed. This is game breaker for me. It's too bad. I was hoping this was the year I might get back in FHM but too many issues that should not be happening 10 years into a series.

[Savoie45]

Not sure how you’d fix it without turning trades off. Almost the entire NHL is at the cap ceiling this yeat and the AI has to navigate around that. The easiest way is trade away the high paid stars. I do like the new trade setup for users though so the AI will be less likely to offer nothing for a high quality player.

[Savoie45]

Originally Posted by krownroyal83

Looking at that thread, it doesn't seem very promising that this was fixed. This is game breaker for me. It's too bad. I was hoping this was the year I might get back in FHM but too many issues that should not be happening 10 years into a series.

I gave up a ling time ago waiting for realistic AI behavior in sports games. Can’t think of one yet that has it.

[krownroyal83]

Originally Posted by Savoie45

I gave up a ling time ago waiting for realistic AI behavior in sports games. Can’t think of one yet that has it.

OOTP Baseball is as close as I've seen. I throughly enough playing it even though hockey is my favourite sport

[krownroyal83]

Originally Posted by Savoie45

Not sure how you’d fix it without turning trades off. Almost the entire NHL is at the cap ceiling this yeat and the AI has to navigate around that. The easiest way is trade away the high paid stars. I do like the new trade setup for users though so the AI will be less likely to offer nothing for a high quality player.

Turning the salary cap off would be what I would do while maintaining a internal cap for the team I was the GM for.

[Savoie45]

Originally Posted by krownroyal83

OOTP Baseball is as close as I've seen. I throughly enough playing it even though hockey is my favourite sport

I would love to see a sports title with CPU AI that could properly manage rosters, but I'm not going to hold out until it happens or I'd likely be done playing sports games.

[tomkmb]

Originally Posted by krownroyal83

OOTP Baseball is as close as I've seen. I throughly enough playing it even though hockey is my favourite sport

The insane waiver behavior is still present though in my experience in OOTP.

[krownroyal83]

Originally Posted by tomkmb

The insane waiver behavior is still present though in my experience in OOTP.

That may be true. My league is a fictional one without waivers so I wouldn’t know. I’m assuming if I buy FHM I’m gonna have to make some changes to make it even playable. I guess I have too high of standards.

[Hawkguy]

Originally Posted by krownroyal83

OOTP Baseball is as close as I've seen. I throughly enough playing it even though hockey is my favourite sport

The difference is that MLB doesn't have a hard cap. If it did, you'd probably see the same problems with trading players.

It would be cool if FHM had a luxury tax system - or maybe they do. Haven't played for a bit.

[krownroyal83]

Originally Posted by Hawkguy

The difference is that MLB doesn't have a hard cap. If it did, you'd probably see the same problems with trading players.

It would be cool if FHM had a luxury tax system - or maybe they do. Haven't played for a bit.

It's more so about the cap than actual trades. Bottom line young top talented players on your team should never find themselves on the block. It seems to happen to the best of the best players if they have long contracts and that just kills the immersion for me.

[Adam B]

Originally Posted by krownroyal83

I have not purchased FHM in a long time but will be this time around but watching a recent stream of the new game has me a bit concerned about the AI's ability to navigate around cap issues. Looking at the screen shot you can see that Ottawa has put Tim Stutzle on the trading block. A 4.5 star/5 star potential 21 year old coming off a 90 point season would never even sniff the trade block. I understand that when a team is having cap issues the AI needs to step in and make moves and the AI will not be as good as a human GM but seeing things like this does not give me confidence that the AI in this game is going to be at least competent enough to make this game at least close to the realm of realistic.

Just because someone is on the Trade Block doesn't mean it's not they're getting moved. There's very few players in the entire league who no team would ever take a trade offer for. Heck, even Gretzky got moved. What has been changed over the years was the likelihood the players move. This was even an emphasis that was focused on on 9. Good players aren't getting moved for nothing, short of cap needs.

The other side is "No one is ever on the trade block!" You can't have it both ways.

[Colorado]

Originally Posted by Adam B

Just because someone is on the Trade Block doesn't mean it's not they're getting moved. There's very few players in the entire league who no team would ever take a trade offer for. Heck, even Gretzky got moved. What has been changed over the years was the likelihood the players move. This was even an emphasis that was focused on on 9. Good players aren't getting moved for nothing, short of cap needs.

The other side is "No one is ever on the trade block!" You can't have it both ways.

I think you're missing the point Adam, if a player's on the trade block, then his team are showing clear intent to potentially move him on.

[krownroyal83]

Originally Posted by Adam B

Just because someone is on the Trade Block doesn't mean it's not they're getting moved. There's very few players in the entire league who no team would ever take a trade offer for. Heck, even Gretzky got moved. What has been changed over the years was the likelihood the players move. This was even an emphasis that was focused on on 9. Good players aren't getting moved for nothing, short of cap needs.

The other side is "No one is ever on the trade block!" You can't have it both ways.

Gretzky got moved by his request because his wife was in LA not because of anything else so that’s not really comparable. The fact of the matter is the AI does a poor job at managing teams that are close to the cap. Maybe someday it will be better but as of now the game is probably more realistic without a cap.

[krownroyal83]

Originally Posted by Colorado

I think you're missing the point Adam, if a player's on the trade block, then his team are showing clear intent to potentially move him on.

Young superstar players putting up big numbers should basically be never on the trade block solely because of cap restraints. If you played fhm 9 it happened all the time because of cap issues. It’s game breaking in my opinion. Like I said in an earlier post, I just have high standards as to what a sports sim should be able to do. Realism is important to me.

[WarningTrakPower]

My biggest issue with these types of players ending up on the trading block is that very few (if any) can afford to take on those contracts and therefore they don't end up finding a trade partner anyways.

My original questions was: how does being on the trading block affect a player performance? In OOTP Baseball the players morale will drop and the player can underperform (a lot of moving parts behind the scenes with how a player handles certain situations etc.).

Restricting the AI decision making may also cause greater issues to arise and perhaps the "easiest" solution is to leave it as is, but it also makes no sense for Dallas to have Miro on the block when he is one of the best Dmen in the league on a good team.

[Hawkguy]

Originally Posted by krownroyal83

It's more so about the cap than actual trades. Bottom line young top talented players on your team should never find themselves on the block. It seems to happen to the best of the best players if they have long contracts and that just kills the immersion for me.

That's my point. Those trades wouldn't happen without a cap. MLB you don't run into those issues because teams can just go over the cap.

[krownroyal83]

Originally Posted by Hawkguy

That's my point. Those trades wouldn't happen without a cap. MLB you don't run into those issues because teams can just go over the cap.

I understand. My point is this does not happen to this degree in real life, so when something like does happen in a game it makes it unrealistic to me thus less immersive.

[Adam B]

Originally Posted by krownroyal83

I understand. My point is this does not happen to this degree in real life, so when something like does happen in a game it makes it unrealistic to me thus less immersive.

I strongly disagree with this sentiment. There's no way to know who is on a "Trade Block" because it is always a matter of opinion. You can not like the Gretzky piece, just go to LA because he wanted to. The Oilers were burning money which is why they blew up the team in the first place.

The point remains though; anyone can get traded. Whether or not it's likely is up for debate, but the biggest change FHM has made in the last few years is how difficult it is for those players to actually get moved even if they are on the block. Teams won't let them go for nothing unless they can't do anything else, but if players are moved, it's usually in a big blockbuster trade. That is important to note.