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[Trav876]

Still nothing on the ridiculous high frequency of trades- even at low setting? I have the latest version & still running into tons of trades.

[texasmame]

Originally Posted by Trav876

Still nothing on the ridiculous high frequency of trades- even at low setting? I have the latest version & still running into tons of trades.

Never noticed an issue with the number of trades and, until my season's July, I had it on the middle or average setting.

[Lukas Berger]

Originally Posted by whaleheader

This is from today's beta live start, which I assume hasn't been updated.

Fixed an issue with Martin. He'll be good next time we do a build. I still have no idea why Grice is going into a future draft though, everything looks fine with him

[Lukas Berger]

Originally Posted by Trav876

Still nothing on the ridiculous high frequency of trades- even at low setting? I have the latest version & still running into tons of trades.

We've tweaked this both the last couple patches, and now in our testing get pretty close to the real life number of trades per year on average. So now it might just be a matter of choosing your settings based on your personal preference for just how many trades you'd like to see.

[Trav876]

Originally Posted by Lukas Berger

We've tweaked this both the last couple patches, and now in our testing get pretty close to the real life number of trades per year on average. So now it might just be a matter of choosing your settings based on your personal preference for just how many trades you'd like to see.

Could my issue be because the Game/Sim I started was prior to the past few patches, even with uploading the latest patches? I ask because I'd prefer not to start an entire new one. Currently I need to run it on "very low" or sometimes switching to "almost never" when the AI seems to go on a trade rampage.

[Lukas Berger]

Originally Posted by Trav876

Could my issue be because the Game/Sim I started was prior to the past few patches, even with uploading the latest patches? I ask because I'd prefer not to start an entire new one. Currently I need to run it on "very low" or sometimes switching to "almost never" when the AI seems to go on a trade rampage.

This should have adjusted itself even in seasons already in progress when you installed the patches.

Now that being said, there are times in the season where the AI is more likely to make trades or at least roster moves in a flurry.

Very early in the season, just before/at the trade deadline, and just at the end of the postseason up to the GM meetings. Both those last two periods are times that also see flurrys of trades in real life, so just having more trades there is not likely unrealistic (though this of course depends on just how how many there are). The early season trades, while not exactly realistic are kind of just necessary rebalancing by the AI.

So TLDR, just having certain times of the year where there are trade flurrys is expected and not a reason for concern, as long as the total amount of trades over the course of the year comes out about right (iirc this was something like 160 in real life MLB last year).

[sutnopia]

Adjusted game engine for GB/FB balance (may want to run auto-calc or adjust league stats groundball modifier down).

Is this something the user manually need to adjust when not starting a new save?
Excuse my ignorance hehe.

[Syd Thrift]

Originally Posted by sutnopia

Adjusted game engine for GB/FB balance (may want to run auto-calc or adjust league stats groundball modifier down).

Is this something the user manually need to adjust when not starting a new save?
Excuse my ignorance hehe.

If you're starting a new save or even a new season, auto-calc will account for this on its own.

[sutnopia]

Originally Posted by Syd Thrift

If you're starting a new save or even a new season, auto-calc will account for this on its own.

Many thanks!

[Orcin]

Originally Posted by Lukas Berger

So TLDR, just having certain times of the year where there are trade flurrys is expected and not a reason for concern, as long as the total amount of trades over the course of the year comes out about right (iirc this was something like 160 in real life MLB last year).

My current save has the AI making 106 trades (not counting any by me) between November 1 (end of season) and November 27. The past few days have seen 8-10 trades per day, so there is no sign of a slowdown with two weeks to go before the winter meetings start.

At this pace, the AI will have made over 160 trades in the offseason alone. This is with the trade frequency set to low, using the public beta (build 72).

[Lukas Berger]

Originally Posted by Orcin

My current save has the AI making 106 trades (not counting any by me) between November 1 (end of season) and November 27. The past few days have seen 8-10 trades per day, so there is no sign of a slowdown with two weeks to go before the winter meetings start.

At this pace, the AI will have made over 160 trades in the offseason alone. This is with the trade frequency set to low, using the public beta (build 72).

That definitely sounds like far too much. Was this on a save started before the trade frequency changes the last couple patches or after? (not that it should matter in theory, but just looking for potential causes)

[Orcin]

Originally Posted by Lukas Berger

That definitely sounds like far too much. Was this on a save started before the trade frequency changes the last couple patches or after? (not that it should matter in theory, but just looking for potential causes)

It was started on July 18 using the Live Start option, so I am sure it was started before the release of build 72. It would have been whatever build was available to the beta team on that day.

There were 46 trades (not counting mine) between July 18 and July 31 in this save, and that period in my save was played before the release of build 72.

[Orcin]

I counted the trades again in the trade log, turning off minor-league trades. I also did not count my own trades. There were 26 trades between July 18 and July 31. There were 99 trades between October 31 and December 10, which was the start of the winter meetings. There were 25 of the 99 post-season trades with a salary retention involved, which seems like a high percentage.

I am dropping this save because I checked free agency ahead of the winter meetings and saw this opportunity to sign Ohtani. It is immersion-breaking, so I am going to try another save with trades set at "very low".

[Lukas Berger]

Originally Posted by Orcin

I counted the trades again in the trade log, turning off minor-league trades. I also did not count my own trades. There were 26 trades between July 18 and July 31. There were 99 trades between October 31 and December 10, which was the start of the winter meetings. There were 25 of the 99 post-season trades with a salary retention involved, which seems like a high percentage.

I am dropping this save because I checked free agency ahead of the winter meetings and saw this opportunity to sign Ohtani. It is immersion-breaking, so I am going to try another save with trades set at "very low".

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I mean, for an overall amount of trades, that sounds quite accurate. I think there were something like 120-160 in MLB last year in total, depending on just what you count as trades i.e. milb guys for other milb guys or not (though I could also be off a bit on that since it's just from memory).

Obviously having the majority grouped into the two months between the end of the season and winter meeting is not ideal and maybe something we could look to tweak a bit as far as when those happen, but it doesn't sound like the overall amount is actually that far off.

[Orcin]

Originally Posted by Lukas Berger

I mean, for an overall amount of trades, that sounds quite accurate. I think there were something like 120-160 in MLB last year in total, depending on just what you count as trades i.e. milb guys for other milb guys or not (though I could also be off a bit on that since it's just from memory).

Obviously having the majority grouped into the two months between the end of the season and winter meeting is probably not ideal and maybe something we could look to tweak a bit as far as when those happen, but it doesn't sound like the overall amount is actually that far off.

Yes, historically it is a huge amount of trades, but it is a pretty normal amount for the period (2021, 2022, and probably 2023) since the pandemic. Obviously, that is what matters here. So, it may seem weird to a historical player such as myself, but it is certainly within the range of normal outcomes for a 2023 simulation. However, I do want to remind you that I changed the trade frequency setting to "low". Presumably, there would have been more on normal. I also wonder if the number of trades contributed to many teams being so cash-strapped that they continued to satisfy their craving by making salary-retention deals and ignoring the bargain of a lifetime on the Ohtani fire sale aisle.

[EpicLord]

I played a new sim from opening day 2023 and I believe one of the new prospects may have their ratings messed up. Kannon Handy, who went in the 19th Round IRL, is consistently going first overall in my drafts.

[Marcus75844]

Originally Posted by EpicLord

I played a new sim from opening day 2023 and I believe one of the new prospects may have their ratings messed up. Kannon Handy, who went in the 19th Round IRL, is consistently going first overall in my drafts.

I also noticed that Kannon Handy is projected to go #1 Overall in the Mock Draft.

[Lukas Berger]

Originally Posted by Marcus75844

I also noticed that Kannon Handy is projected to go #1 Overall in the Mock Draft.

There was a typo in his stuff rating

Fixed now, but won't show up till the next patch

[Marcus75844]

Originally Posted by Lukas Berger

There was a typo in his stuff rating

Fixed now, but won't show up till the next patch

Thanks, I appreciate it…Will this be included in a hot fix patch or a patch that’s in a few weeks from now?

[CBLCardinals]

Originally Posted by Orcin

I counted the trades again in the trade log, turning off minor-league trades. I also did not count my own trades. There were 26 trades between July 18 and July 31. There were 99 trades between October 31 and December 10, which was the start of the winter meetings. There were 25 of the 99 post-season trades with a salary retention involved, which seems like a high percentage.

I am dropping this save because I checked free agency ahead of the winter meetings and saw this opportunity to sign Ohtani. It is immersion-breaking, so I am going to try another save with trades set at "very low".

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For Ohtani default his greed rating and playing for a winning team are far too low. Bump both of those up to 199.

At least in my save pre-deadline save file up in mods section he’s asking for $38M per year.