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Old 04-01-2023, 02:44 AM   #41
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I'm a Tigers fan so the faster their games are over the better, until they are competitive again.
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Old 04-01-2023, 03:37 AM   #42
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Yeah, maybe you should.

Games yesterday took an official 2,476 minutes in total, which 41 hours, 16 minutes in total, or just over 2:45 per game.

I know you're staunchly opposed and feel robbed of staring into the night sky along with Pedro Baez, but at least get your data straight.

Games below in the order in which they are listed on the daily scores page on bb-ref.
Yes I made a mistake. But even so, it's still not what they lied about. Not even close. And once the warmer weather comes and the offenses get rolling it will get worse. If I had caught my mistake, I still would have posted it. It's still only 20 minutes. Big whoop. It's still bad for baseball. Hello. Robbed of what? Who the hell stares into the night sky with Pedro Baez? You, I guess.
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Old 04-01-2023, 03:42 AM   #43
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Thanks for correcting Zappa. He appears to be about as spacey as the old Frank was back in the day.
That's what YOU think. You just proved you know nothing about the "old Frank" back in the day.
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Old 04-01-2023, 05:14 AM   #44
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Also, this thread belongs in with the sports talk people. It has nothing to do with the release of the new game and should be moved where it belongs.
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Old 04-01-2023, 06:15 AM   #45
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You didn't always watch it that way.

Why don't you try the return of the old time pace before you criticize it.
Where did I criticize anything.
I just asked why would I want it to go faster and I prefer not to rush it.
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Old 04-01-2023, 10:20 AM   #46
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Year by Year Avg Game Time
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Games in the 70's moved at a much faster pace than these games even with a pitch clock. The players got way out of control with the adjustments between each pitch and stepping out of the box. You'll still have those moments.
I recall there was also a lot more base stealing in the 70s and many, many throws over to first to keep runners like Brock, Leflore, and Morgan close. My hypothesis is that hitters, especially good hitters, went to the plate with the idea of swinging the bat, not drawing a 10 pitch walk. But I do not have any stats to base that on so I could just be remembering wrong.
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Old 04-01-2023, 10:40 AM   #47
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The funny thing to me if that people who are saying the pitch clock is silly/useless since you'll barely save any time (who are wrong, to be clear, but even just within their own argument) must then also be saying that the pitch clock isn't changing anything since apparently pitchers and hitters are just taking the same amount of time they were last year anyways.
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Old 04-01-2023, 10:43 AM   #48
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Didn't a lot of the power hitters have a lot of strikeouts.
If a player gets a walk after 10 pitches then that's on the pitcher and maybe a little luck.
I can't fault the batter as I see that he earned the walk.
I like pitchers getting tired as part of the game.
I don't know if timed pitches will affect that

They already have to make every pitch count
With the talent of today's hitters compared to the early 20th century ballplayers.
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Old 04-02-2023, 03:32 PM   #49
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I recall there was also a lot more base stealing in the 70s and many, many throws over to first to keep runners like Brock, Leflore, and Morgan close. My hypothesis is that hitters, especially good hitters, went to the plate with the idea of swinging the bat, not drawing a 10 pitch walk. But I do not have any stats to base that on so I could just be remembering wrong.
We don’t have pitch data that far back but walk rates were pretty much the same as they are now. The two biggest differences in the state between then and now are: way more Ks (Ks were actually down a bunch from the 60s so it’s a weird place to come from, kind of, but even in the mid 70s it was possible to be an ace of a staff and strikeout fewer than 100 batters in. 250+ innings) and significantly lower BABIP (.276 in 1971 and it’ll probably back up around .300 this year). Home run rates were also a little lower but not crazily so.

There may have been more throws to first than almost none but even watching random games from the early 70s as I sometimes do when I play through my dynasty, what’s most remarkable to me is that guys got in there and just played the game. No constant messing with batting gloves, no 30 seconds between pitches, just guys getting into the batters box and playing. Even without a pitch clock, players still played as though there was a need to keep the game moving. I am by no means a purist but I think that actually getting the game done with is a good thing and I’m happy to see this getting enforced with the pitch clock.
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Old 04-03-2023, 01:11 PM   #50
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Pure propaganda. That's the big thing today. First off no mention of the 5 games that went over 3 hours. That's how propaganda works you only mention certain parts. Learn to read a box score. That would help plenty. 15 games played yesterday for a total of 2,664 minutes. Do the math not that fuzzy one but the real one. Comes to 177.6 minutes a game. That's 2 hours 57.6 minutes a game. Last year's average was 3:05 a game. Just like I said in an earlier post that you would be lucky to save ten minutes a game. Common sense people. Check every box score and do the math yourself. I stand by what I say that this is not necessary.
Except when I looked at the numbers for opening day I get 2,476 minutes and that works out to 2:45 per game. Looking at Sunday's games and I get 2,297 minutes or an average of 2:33 per game. So I think the pitch clocks are working.
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Staying up for the Guardians' game on Friday and still being in bed before midnight is the only experience I need to support the pitch clock.
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Get it right guys... it's the Pitch Timer, otherwise Rob Manfred will start planting baseballs around your house in inappropriate places (ouch!)
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Old 04-04-2023, 12:26 PM   #53
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What a joke in yesterday's Mets game. A base runner causes a strike to be called on the batter when the batter did nothing at. He's even in the box ready to hit. Because the base runner hadn't returned to his base after a foul ball fast enough. This is absolutely ridiculous. The clock is a sham. Creates anxiety for the players for no reason but for people who can't stand the game.

Please move this thread where it belongs. Sports talk. This thread has nothing to do with the release of OOTP 24. Thank you.
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Old 04-04-2023, 12:32 PM   #54
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What a joke in yesterday's Mets game. A base runner causes a strike to be called on the batter when the batter did nothing at. He's even in the box ready to hit. Because the base runner hadn't returned to his base after a foul ball fast enough. This is absolutely ridiculous. The clock is a sham. Creates anxiety for the players for no reason but for people who can't stand the game.

Please move this thread where it belongs. Sports talk. This thread has nothing to do with the release of OOTP 24. Thank you.
Did that happen again to the Mets? I know it happened to Pete Alonso on Opening Day when he walked very slowly back to 1B.

I'm not seeing all that much anxiety. Most of the pitches are being delivered well before the clock gets near 0.
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Old 04-04-2023, 12:37 PM   #55
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Creates anxiety for the players for no reason but for people who can't stand the game.
I love baseball and as a sleep-deprived father of a baby, I'm massively benefitting from the faster games. I'm sorry if a strike called on a simple rule violation causes anxiety for you.
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I love baseball and as a sleep-deprived father of a baby, I'm massively benefitting from the faster games. I'm sorry if a strike called on a simple rule violation causes anxiety for you.
Yeah, of all the things for purists to get mad about, this strikes me as the most ridiculous. Like, even more than the automatic intentional walk rule, the complaining about this is just plain off-base; it’s a clear positive with little to no negative side effects. Like, oh no, occasionally guys get called for a ball or a strike because they’re being pokey. The anti crowd isn’t even wanting to go back to “how baseball was”, necessarily, just to 20 years ago or so when time wasting really started getting bad. I entreat anyone to just go back and watch actual games from the 1970s; you will see batters getting up there in a timely manner just like we’re seeing now.
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Yeah, of all the things for purists to get mad about, this strikes me as the most ridiculous. Like, even more than the automatic intentional walk rule, the complaining about this is just plain off-base; it’s a clear positive with little to no negative side effects. Like, oh no, occasionally guys get called for a ball or a strike because they’re being pokey. The anti crowd isn’t even wanting to go back to “how baseball was”, necessarily, just to 20 years ago or so when time wasting really started getting bad. I entreat anyone to just go back and watch actual games from the 1970s; you will see batters getting up there in a timely manner just like we’re seeing now.
I'd also bet that most of these same people complain about analytics, launch angle, and too many strikeouts as well without bothering to realize that all of that stuff is related to players taking longer so that they can "max effort" everything.
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I'd also bet that most of these same people complain about analytics, launch angle, and too many strikeouts as well without bothering to realize that all of that stuff is related to players taking longer so that they can "max effort" everything.
I’m skeptical that we’ll see a large cutdown in Ks with the pitch clock (early results are that they’re slightly up from last year but I suspect a lot of that is due to aces playing a larger proportion of innings in the first week of the season) but even if there is no change, a 7 pitch at bat that takes 2 minutes to conclude is still much, much more enjoyable for both casual and non casual fans like myself than a 3 pitch at bat that takes 3 minutes to get over with…
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I love baseball and as a sleep-deprived father of a baby, I'm massively benefitting from the faster games. I'm sorry if a strike called on a simple rule violation causes anxiety for you.
Not for me. It's the plain stupidity of it all. Doesn't cause me anxiety as much as people want it to. I didn't watch the game. Saw it on the news.
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What a joke in yesterday's Mets game. A base runner causes a strike to be called on the batter when the batter did nothing at. He's even in the box ready to hit. Because the base runner hadn't returned to his base after a foul ball fast enough. This is absolutely ridiculous. The clock is a sham. Creates anxiety for the players for no reason but for people who can't stand the game.
Did this happen again yesterday? I saw it when Alonso walked back to first with McNeil at the plate in the Marlins' series.

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Please move this thread where it belongs. Sports talk. This thread has nothing to do with the release of OOTP 24. Thank you.
Agreed. This belongs in Talk Sports.
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