OSU vs. UM

[kingfc22]

That holding call on the 89 yd. bomb to Edwards has been the difference in this game so far. It would have been 35-7 if that play stood.

[kingfc22]

35 pts. and a huge day for Perry against the OSU defense. What a day.

[marc]

well it kinda needed to be called will smith was gonna force a fumble and the guy ripped a hole in his jersey lol

[kingfc22]

Originally posted by marc
well it kinda needed to be called will smith was gonna force a fumble and the guy ripped a hole in his jersey lol

No doubt about it. It had sack written all over it, but it was a momentum changer for most of the 2nd half.

[ey215]

Originally posted by marc
The Pac-10!!?? LOL the WORST BCS conference period. Year in and Year out theres usually only about 3 decent teams in the conference. As for the SEC I would say this year it is probably the strongest but historically no conference has as many top programs as the Big 10. Also, as someone who has been to both the Army/Navy game and an OSU/Michigan game, the OSU/Michigan game is a bigger rivalry, I haven't been to the Iron Bowl so I will hold off judgement on that

Historically no conference has as many top programs as the Big 10?!? You're kidding right?

Again lets list a few,

Georgia
Tennessee
Florida
Alabama
Auburn
LSU

As for your Pac-10 arguement three words...

East Coast Bias

[Kelric]

Is it just me, or does anyone else think OSU wasted Gamble a bit this year? They've suffered on offense all season while their best player plays almost all defense. Ah well.

[skkrrt]

Originally posted by ey215
Historically no conference has as many top programs as the Big 10?!? You're kidding right?

Again lets list a few,

Georgia
Tennessee
Florida
Alabama
Auburn
LSU

As for your Pac-10 arguement three words...

East Coast Bias

ill go by more modern arguements for this ...

Florida < Michigan
Tennessee < Ohio State
Penn State < Georgia
Michigan State < Alabama
Auburn < Iowa
Wisconsin < LSU

so thats basically tied for top tier teams (give it that U of M and OSU are far better then anything in the SEC, give it modern, history, semi-modern)

Alabama hasn't really done much in recent days, nor has Auburn really... but they have history and those big 10 team havn't really proved a whole lot on a large scale.

of course Minnesotta and Purdue can expolde on the scene every couple of years...
Indiana, Illinois, Northwestern arn't much to brag about though.

[marc]

National Champions since 1936:
Big 10 - 15
SEC - 12

# of schools that won championships:
Big 10 - 5
SEC - 5

# of schools that won MULTIPLE championships:
Big 10 - 5
SEC - 2

I can't find all-time wins but I gaurentee the big 10 has more in the top 20 then the SEC does.

Is that all u people out there on the left coast can do is complain about east coast bias?? It's a complete joke. Your teams suck plain and simple there is no bias. They play soft schedule and have even softer defenses. Washington state is gonna finish 1st or 2nd in the Pac-10 where as in the big 10 they would be eh 5th??? As a whole the big 10 is so much better then the pac-10 nowadays that it isn't even funny. All u have to do is look at the Washington St. scenario that I just pointed out, that same Washington State team would finish 4th or so in the big east. The ACC isn't much to brag about either but I still doubt they would do better than 3rd. And the SEC they would be below .500 this year in conference.

[marc]

And I would just like to thank Ernest Shazar for going down on that INT so I can still post on here and point out to everyone how bad the Pac-10 truely is

[marc]

Originally posted by Kelric
Is it just me, or does anyone else think OSU wasted Gamble a bit this year? They've suffered on offense all season while their best player plays almost all defense. Ah well.

Thats a good point. On the other hand u have to ask yourself was the team better with a rested Gamble playing solely defense and having the emerging Santonio Holmes get quality playing time? I think so. I blame the offenses lack of production on the Offensive Coordinator who has a ton of talent and runs such a conservative offense. Everytime they opened it up this season they were successful, I just don't understand it.

[cooper_gd]

Posted by Marc
Is that all u people out there on the left coast can do is complain about east coast bias?? It's a complete joke. Your teams suck plain and simple there is no bias. They play soft schedule and have even softer defenses. Washington state is gonna finish 1st or 2nd in the Pac-10 where as in the big 10 they would be eh 5th??? As a whole the big 10 is so much better then the pac-10 nowadays that it isn't even funny. All u have to do is look at the Washington St. scenario that I just pointed out, that same Washington State team would finish 4th or so in the big east. The ACC isn't much to brag about either but I still doubt they would do better than 3rd. And the SEC they would be below .500 this year in conference. [/B]

So, are you a Big 10 fan? Every other conference is so stupid I can not belive it. I just wish the rest of those wusses would just shut the hell up and go live on the Left Coast.

Like Notre Dame, the Big 10 will always have the strongest kung-fu!

[marc]

I'm an OSU fan AND a college football fan in general, I have no bias towards any individual conference but the Pac-10 just sucks. Anyone out here in these parts that would stay up to watch a game of that caliber that starts at 11PM is insane.

[ey215]

Originally posted by marc
National Champions since 1936:
Big 10 - 15
SEC - 12

# of schools that won championships:
Big 10 - 5
SEC - 5

# of schools that won MULTIPLE championships:
Big 10 - 5
SEC - 2

I can't find all-time wins but I gaurentee the big 10 has more in the top 20 then the SEC does.

Is that all u people out there on the left coast can do is complain about east coast bias?? It's a complete joke. Your teams suck plain and simple there is no bias. They play soft schedule and have even softer defenses. Washington state is gonna finish 1st or 2nd in the Pac-10 where as in the big 10 they would be eh 5th??? As a whole the big 10 is so much better then the pac-10 nowadays that it isn't even funny. All u have to do is look at the Washington St. scenario that I just pointed out, that same Washington State team would finish 4th or so in the big east. The ACC isn't much to brag about either but I still doubt they would do better than 3rd. And the SEC they would be below .500 this year in conference.

First off this is not meant as an insult, take it that way if you wish. There is a letter in the alphabet called a "y". When you come on a message board and use "u" instead of "you" it does nothing but make you look stupid.

Secondly,

1936? I believe this conversation was about how Big-10 football puts me to sleep. Lets take championships in the last 30 years even.

SEC - 7 (I'm not including Clemson's in 1981 when they were a member of the SEC.)

Big 10+1 - 4

Thirdly,

Lets talk soft schedule. I can only assume you're speaking of USC dropping out of number 2 (of course Ohio State dropped out the old fashioned way with a loss. *snaps fingers* Darn.)

Auburn - picked to be in the Top 10 this year, they've had an off-year but not USC's fault. A good team when scheduled. Plus that one was played at Auburn, not an easy place to play.

BYU - Good football team year in/year out. Bad year this year.

Hawaii - Can run with anyone. Have had a BAD year this year but under June Jones they have been pretty good in the past few years.

Notre Dame - Oh yeah, here's a team that is just terrible year in and year out. Who's heard of these guys?

All in all, besides Hawaii I'm not sure how you would call that a soft schedule when scheduled 5 years ago.

Fourthly,

I'm interested on what facts are you basing that Washigton State would finish 4th in the Big-10? Is it the #10 ranking in the BCS? Is it the strength of schedule ranking one above Michigan?

Finally,

Again in the last 30 years, Rose Bowl winners when the Big-10 & Pac-10 go head to head.

Pac-10 - 18 Wins
Big-10 - 11 Wins

Yep you're right the Big-10 is so much better than the Pac-10! Especially when they play head-to-head.

Just because you don't hear conversation about Washington State out there in the midwest or on the east coast doesn't mean that they're not playing good football. I still haven't seen anything you've told me to refute the fact the Pac-10 is the most competitive conference top to bottom.

Only one team doesn't have a shot to beat the top team in the conference, Arizona. *sigh*

[ey215]

Originally posted by marc
I'm an OSU fan AND a college football fan in general, I have no bias towards any individual conference but the Pac-10 just sucks. Anyone out here in these parts that would stay up to watch a game of that caliber that starts at 11PM is insane.

If you don't stay up to watch them then how do you know what caliber of games they are?

[Kelric]

Originally posted by marc
Thats a good point. On the other hand u have to ask yourself was the team better with a rested Gamble playing solely defense and having the emerging Santonio Holmes get quality playing time? I think so. I blame the offenses lack of production on the Offensive Coordinator who has a ton of talent and runs such a conservative offense. Everytime they opened it up this season they were successful, I just don't understand it.

While a well rested Gamble playing solely defense is a good thing for most teams, I think the rest of the defense is solid enough to let him play half of the defensive snaps, and half of the offensive snaps. Aside from the lack of Maurice Clarett this season, the offense just seemed to make more plays when Gamble was in there last season.

Of course, that could be the beer from those memories talking.

[skkrrt]

Originally posted by ey215
Again in the last 30 years, Rose Bowl winners when the Big-10 & Pac-10 go head to head.

Pac-10 - 18 Wins
Big-10 - 11 Wins

Yep you're right the Big-10 is so much better than the Pac-10! Especially when they play head-to-head.

Please keep in mind the last 3 or 4 years the Big 10 hasn't got to send its best team to the rose bowl via the BCS so in reality its a lot closer then that....

Also regarding the Pac 10 in general: They have a couple real good teams each year (USC this year and last, Oregon a few yers ago ect...) but as a whole the conference is fairly weak. The usually muster up 2 REAL good team that can play with anyone, but the dropoff after that is huge compared to most other conferences...

[marc]

First off, MANY MANY years in the 90's the big ten sent its 2nd or 3rd best team to the Rose Bowl because of that stupid tie breaker rule where teams that have had the longest drought went to the Rose Bowl. Those years that NW went, it should have been OSU or Michigan or another team that was better that year so those wins and losses really don't matchup too well.

Now on the USC thing, kudos for them unfortunetly the games were played THIS YEAR and not 5 years ago. ND sucks this year, BYU is even worse, Hawaii is a decent challenge and Auburn is about the 6th best team in the SEC so not a terrible challenge there. Throw in the fact that the conference in which they play is NOT good this year regardless of what anybody says, and U have a pretty weak schedule. It's unfortunate for USC that those teams they scheduled a few years ago have taken backwards steps but we don't reward teams on playing teams there were good 5 years ago thats kind of silly.


As for washington st., I'm not using any BCS formula or anything stupid like that. Match them up with Michigan, OSU, Purdue, Iowa, and maybe MSU or Minnesota, and U have a bunch of losses

I think skkrrt hit the nail on the head. Every year they have one or two really good football teams (this year only 1 i believe) and after that a bunch of average teams with a more significant drop off than other conferences.


As for the "How do you know what caliber it is?" question....I simply force myself to watch the games that are on at normal times, thats kind of an obvious one. It's painful sometimes but I get through it.


Finally, if being too lazy to type out "you" instead of "u" makes me any less intelligent or makes my sports knowledge any less than just call me stupid I guess because I really do not care.
Anyone that will sit down and have a half decent discussion with me knows I'm an intelligent person and that I have knowledge of what I'm talking about, for the most part of course lol.

[skkrrt]

Also, the best way to compare conferences is the bowl games. Big 10 usually fair pretty well in Bowls (I think they had a slighly off year last year, not sure..coulda been the year before).

Pac 10 is always a little below average in bowls, Big XII gets killed and the Big 10/Sec usually take most (and more or less split with each other)

[marc]

Big 10 was 5-1 last year in Bowls with the only loss being PSU's dismal 13-9 performance against Auburn. They got a piece of the Big East, Pac-10, Big 12, and SEC in those games. The PSU game was actually surprising as that was supposed to be one of the more sure victories.

[marc]

Washington 27 Washington State 19. That helps OSU tremendously as they now have a chance to get into a BCS bowl. It also saves WSU the embarassment of getting killed in the Rose Bowl again.