How much?

Karl Pagel Blues · 03-20-2023, 03:53 AM

Yes, I've pre-ordered 24 and I'm looking forward to tomorrow.

I'm curious: How much more would you be willing to pay for the game if it meant Markus could afford to hire an extra 3 to 5 programmers? Either a one-time price or a monthly subscription model.

I know what my answer is and I'm curious to hear what others say.

OOTP Rookie · 03-20-2023, 04:03 AM

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Originally Posted by Karl Pagel Blues

Yes, I've pre-ordered 24 and I'm looking forward to tomorrow.

I'm curious: How much more would you be willing to pay for the game if it meant Markus could afford to hire an extra 3 to 5 programmers? Either a one-time price or a monthly subscription model.

I know what my answer is and I'm curious to hear what others say.

Interesting question.

Would having 5 extra coders on the team take the game to the next level?

A real financial system? Improved AI? An updated UI? Improved 3D?

Licenses for all international leagues?

Then I would pay $10 to $20 a month.

Reed · 03-20-2023, 07:36 AM

I don’t care how many coders they have. Price I would pay would depend on the improvements made. I always buy early but I sometimes think I should have waited for it to go on the half price sale. This past year I ended up playing 22 more that 23.

Sweed · 03-20-2023, 10:37 AM

I have loved the game for over 20 years. Go to a monthly subscription model and I'm out. Might as well go to DLC and they could add a team for that deep financial model (or any feature X). Then you get "base OOTP" for $39 and if you want "feature X" that will be another $10-15. I don't think that is going to fly with the customer base.

If they want to add to the team to grow the game faster and raise the price in accordance? No problem. Of course there has to be value for the extra cash. Even with that some are going to leave because "this isn't The Show" and shouldn't cost the same. Having said that, and owning both OOTP and The Show on PS5, OOTP is the better game whether I consider cost or not.

As is OOTP is currently a $60 game to me. If they want to add staff to make it better and raise the price to that? It's a win\win for me.

jeffw3000 · 03-20-2023, 10:50 AM

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Originally Posted by Sweed

I have loved the game for over 20 years. Go to a monthly subscription model and I'm out. Might as well go to DLC and they could add a team for that deep financial model (or any feature X). Then you get "base OOTP" for $39 and if you want "feature X" that will be another $10-15. I don't think that is going to fly with the customer base.

If they want to add to the team to grow the game faster and raise the price in accordance? No problem. Of course there has to be value for the extra cash. Even with that some are going to leave because "this isn't The Show" and shouldn't cost the same. Having said that, and owning both OOTP and The Show on PS5, OOTP is the better game whether I consider cost or not.

As is OOTP is currently a $60 game to me. If they want to add staff to make it better and raise the price to that? It's a win\win for me.

I kind of feel the same. A subscription model or DLC, and I would not be purchasing the game. At the same time, I love the game. If they needed to hire more staff to make major improvements in the game, and needed to charge $10-$15 more, I would be understanding, and would still purchase the game.

swoboda · 03-20-2023, 11:25 AM

Monthly subscription ....
"No way...no wayyyy"

spartacus007 · 03-20-2023, 12:07 PM

I'm surprised the price is so low this year. I'd pay twice as much.

OutS|der · 03-20-2023, 12:09 PM

They already have a subscription model, it's called Perfect Team.

and have what as DLC? The leagues they just removed and scrambled our saves over? No thanks. After that stunt it won't take much to walk away.

No subscription or DLC EVER

Bunktown Ballers · 03-20-2023, 12:19 PM

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Originally Posted by jeffw3000

I kind of feel the same. A subscription model or DLC, and I would not be purchasing the game. At the same time, I love the game. If they needed to hire more staff to make major improvements in the game, and needed to charge $10-$15 more, I would be understanding, and would still purchase the game.

Ditto on monthly fee, I would be out too

Bunktown Ballers · 03-20-2023, 12:25 PM

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Originally Posted by OutS|der

They already have a subscription model, it's called Perfect Team.

and have what as DLC? The leagues they just removed and scrambled our saves over? No thanks. After that stunt it won't take much to walk away.

No subscription or DLC EVER

Ditto, Ditto, Ditto
I'm out of Perfect Team this year. I just can't spend the big bucks to barely be able to compete. A bigger problem I see is teams continue to tank at years end especially during playoffs. 2 105+ wins teams got swept be 2 barely making playoff wildcard teams 84 and 85 win teams respectively. Of course they were knocked out and allowed to stay in GOLD league again while the 2 84 win teams have to go Diamond get slaughtered.

Syd Thrift · 03-20-2023, 02:23 PM

Yeah, if you really want to pay a monthly subscription, you can play Perfect Team. Personally, I'm all for paying for OOTP and hell, I personally would even pay AAA rates for it (I'm guessing a lot of people would balk at a $60-$80 pricetag though), but if it went to a subscription type service I'd kind of expect the game to get released far, far differently than it does now, with feature updates throughout the year instead of them all coming in March, for instance. I think it also makes All-Star Game or World Series sales a bit harder to sell; some of what people do with those is hold out until the game is as stable as it's going to get and trade the extra several months they would have had in exchange for that. You add new features, you're adding bugs, that's just how features work.

I personally think the business model probably works pretty OK for them and we don't really need to spend time worrying about changing it.

andyhdz · 03-20-2023, 02:36 PM

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Originally Posted by Karl Pagel Blues

Yes, I've pre-ordered 24 and I'm looking forward to tomorrow.

I'm curious: How much more would you be willing to pay for the game if it meant Markus could afford to hire an extra 3 to 5 programmers? Either a one-time price or a monthly subscription model.

I know what my answer is and I'm curious to hear what others say.

$75 would be my cutoff between I wouldn't even think about it and me saying woa wait what exactly are the new features this year? And the reason why my amount is a might on the high side is because I hardly buy computer games so this is like 80% of my entire gaming budget for a year anyways.

tonnage · 03-20-2023, 02:46 PM

I just bought my son a PS4 game that cost $100, which surprised me. But as andyhdz said, my gaming budget is OOTP and that's it, so yeah, I'd pay more than what is currently being charged but I wouldn't pay a subscription service. I'd be relegated to playing the last version I bought forever if that were the case.

Charlie Hough · 03-20-2023, 03:39 PM

I'll qualify this by saying that I'm a professional marketing consultant with extensive experience in advising companies on product pricing and marketing. I'm looking at this from a business and target market standpoint and not from the perspective of self-interest.

On the face of it, without access to the company's internal data, the price point for OOTP is far too low. I don't recall when the price point was last changed, but based on inflation alone, the price needs to be increased by $10 to keep up with inflation since 2016. Back then, the game was still selling for the same price as it is today, which is untenable from a business and financial standpoint. Ultimately, it should probably be priced at a minimum of $59 to protect against future inflation and bring pricing more in line with industry standards.

Many gaming products are still priced too low relative to the cost of other goods and services within and outside the entertainment sector. They're also priced too low compared to many non-gaming software products. Granted, you're not going to set your price at the level of a business software product. But the gaming industry needs to continue to shift its pricing to match the massive demographic and economic shift we've seen in the gaming audience over the past 30 years.

Approximately 75% of gamers are now 18 or older, and the average gamer is now 33. Sizable proportions of the gaming audience are now 40+ and 50+. You're not marketing and selling exclusively to 12 or 15 year-olds anymore. The audience is much older and more diverse, and it has vastly more discretionary spending and buying power than it once did. You need to take that into account and pull together customer survey data, product usage data, and other internal and external market indicators to make a well-informed assessment.

Sometimes the "sweet spot" is a lower price, but sometimes you can be vastly underpriced and not realize it because you're not collecting and analyzing the right data, and you're not keeping up with inflation, your market, or your industry. You might also be too frightened of potential lost sales or a social media backlash. But if you don't adjust your pricing, you could potentially cause much worse damage and create greater risks to your business.

spartacus007 · 03-20-2023, 04:39 PM

You know your customers trust you when they're asking you to raise your prices, lol.

asurob42 · 03-20-2023, 04:59 PM

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Originally Posted by Karl Pagel Blues

Yes, I've pre-ordered 24 and I'm looking forward to tomorrow.

I'm curious: How much more would you be willing to pay for the game if it meant Markus could afford to hire an extra 3 to 5 programmers? Either a one-time price or a monthly subscription model.

I know what my answer is and I'm curious to hear what others say.

no

Yarideki · 03-20-2023, 07:33 PM

Honestly for how many hours I put into this game, I would be willing to fork over $60 each year. That said, I would absolutely not be willing to enter into a subscription model. However, we do effectively have the option to pay more at present if we want to just pay the base price plus whatever perfect points, regardless if we ever use said points. Though, I suspect that $40 and writing a review on steam post-release would help the devs quite a lot as well.

Justinw303 · 03-20-2023, 07:42 PM

With the massive revenue inflow from Perfect Team, money is the last thing this company should be lacking.

fredbeene · 03-20-2023, 09:43 PM

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Originally Posted by jeffw3000

I kind of feel the same. A subscription model or DLC, and I would not be purchasing the game. At the same time, I love the game. If they needed to hire more staff to make major improvements in the game, and needed to charge $10-$15 more, I would be understanding, and would still purchase the game.

See Rocksmith for game that completely went bust after going sub.
No way would i ever do OOTPB at sub level

mytreds · 03-20-2023, 10:06 PM

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Originally Posted by Karl Pagel Blues

Yes, I've pre-ordered 24 and I'm looking forward to tomorrow.

I'm curious: How much more would you be willing to pay for the game if it meant Markus could afford to hire an extra 3 to 5 programmers? Either a one-time price or a monthly subscription model.

I know what my answer is and I'm curious to hear what others say.

Not one dime. TETO.

03-20-2023, 03:53 AM	#1
Karl Pagel Blues Minors (Double A) Join Date: May 2018 Posts: 106	How much? Yes, I've pre-ordered 24 and I'm looking forward to tomorrow. I'm curious: How much more would you be willing to pay for the game if it meant Markus could afford to hire an extra 3 to 5 programmers? Either a one-time price or a monthly subscription model. I know what my answer is and I'm curious to hear what others say.

03-20-2023, 07:36 AM	#3
Reed Hall Of Famer Join Date: Oct 2013 Posts: 2,339	I don’t care how many coders they have. Price I would pay would depend on the improvements made. I always buy early but I sometimes think I should have waited for it to go on the half price sale. This past year I ended up playing 22 more that 23. Last edited by Reed; 03-20-2023 at 07:39 AM.

03-20-2023, 11:25 AM	#6
swoboda All Star Starter Join Date: Mar 2005 Location: Guarding The Line Posts: 1,220	Monthly subscription .... "No way...no wayyyy" __________________ "...If you want to look ahead to the bottom of the ninth, the Mets will be sending up Buddy Harrelson, Jerry Buchek , and Don Bosch, we'll be right back after this word from Rheingold Beer" The late great Lindsey Nelson

03-20-2023, 12:07 PM	#7
spartacus007 Minors (Triple A) Join Date: Aug 2010 Location: NW Arkansas Posts: 262	I'm surprised the price is so low this year. I'd pay twice as much. __________________

03-20-2023, 03:39 PM	#14
Charlie Hough Hall Of Famer Join Date: May 2006 Posts: 3,641	I'll qualify this by saying that I'm a professional marketing consultant with extensive experience in advising companies on product pricing and marketing. I'm looking at this from a business and target market standpoint and not from the perspective of self-interest. On the face of it, without access to the company's internal data, the price point for OOTP is far too low. I don't recall when the price point was last changed, but based on inflation alone, the price needs to be increased by $10 to keep up with inflation since 2016. Back then, the game was still selling for the same price as it is today, which is untenable from a business and financial standpoint. Ultimately, it should probably be priced at a minimum of $59 to protect against future inflation and bring pricing more in line with industry standards. Many gaming products are still priced too low relative to the cost of other goods and services within and outside the entertainment sector. They're also priced too low compared to many non-gaming software products. Granted, you're not going to set your price at the level of a business software product. But the gaming industry needs to continue to shift its pricing to match the massive demographic and economic shift we've seen in the gaming audience over the past 30 years. Approximately 75% of gamers are now 18 or older, and the average gamer is now 33. Sizable proportions of the gaming audience are now 40+ and 50+. You're not marketing and selling exclusively to 12 or 15 year-olds anymore. The audience is much older and more diverse, and it has vastly more discretionary spending and buying power than it once did. You need to take that into account and pull together customer survey data, product usage data, and other internal and external market indicators to make a well-informed assessment. Sometimes the "sweet spot" is a lower price, but sometimes you can be vastly underpriced and not realize it because you're not collecting and analyzing the right data, and you're not keeping up with inflation, your market, or your industry. You might also be too frightened of potential lost sales or a social media backlash. But if you don't adjust your pricing, you could potentially cause much worse damage and create greater risks to your business. Last edited by Charlie Hough; 03-20-2023 at 03:40 PM.

03-20-2023, 10:37 AM	#4
Sweed Hall Of Famer Join Date: Apr 2002 Location: Iowa Posts: 6,700	I have loved the game for over 20 years. Go to a monthly subscription model and I'm out. Might as well go to DLC and they could add a team for that deep financial model (or any feature X). Then you get "base OOTP" for $39 and if you want "feature X" that will be another $10-15. I don't think that is going to fly with the customer base. If they want to add to the team to grow the game faster and raise the price in accordance? No problem. Of course there has to be value for the extra cash. Even with that some are going to leave because "this isn't The Show" and shouldn't cost the same. Having said that, and owning both OOTP and The Show on PS5, OOTP is the better game whether I consider cost or not. As is OOTP is currently a $60 game to me. If they want to add staff to make it better and raise the price to that? It's a win\win for me.

03-20-2023, 12:09 PM	#8
OutS\|der Hall Of Famer Join Date: Apr 2010 Location: In A Van Down By The River Posts: 2,711 Infractions: 0/1 (1)	They already have a subscription model, it's called Perfect Team. and have what as DLC? The leagues they just removed and scrambled our saves over? No thanks. After that stunt it won't take much to walk away. No subscription or DLC EVER

03-20-2023, 02:46 PM	#13
tonnage Major Leagues Join Date: Dec 2020 Location: Stony Plain, Alberta Posts: 490	I just bought my son a PS4 game that cost $100, which surprised me. But as andyhdz said, my gaming budget is OOTP and that's it, so yeah, I'd pay more than what is currently being charged but I wouldn't pay a subscription service. I'd be relegated to playing the last version I bought forever if that were the case.

03-20-2023, 04:39 PM	#15
spartacus007 Minors (Triple A) Join Date: Aug 2010 Location: NW Arkansas Posts: 262	You know your customers trust you when they're asking you to raise your prices, lol. __________________

03-20-2023, 07:33 PM	#17
Yarideki Minors (Double A) Join Date: Mar 2016 Posts: 162	Honestly for how many hours I put into this game, I would be willing to fork over $60 each year. That said, I would absolutely not be willing to enter into a subscription model. However, we do effectively have the option to pay more at present if we want to just pay the base price plus whatever perfect points, regardless if we ever use said points. Though, I suspect that $40 and writing a review on steam post-release would help the devs quite a lot as well.

03-20-2023, 07:42 PM	#18
Justinw303 Minors (Single A) Join Date: May 2016 Posts: 84 Infractions: 0/1 (1)	With the massive revenue inflow from Perfect Team, money is the last thing this company should be lacking.