Historical Mode updates - Page 2

rmoons24 · 02-25-2023, 11:18 AM

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Originally Posted by BaseballMan

Do you mean like if you start your league in 1980 then you would like to have history from 1920 to 1979?
Instead of having the entire history from 1901to 1979 when you select 1980?
Or am I musunderstanding your comment?

Yup that is what I am getting at. I am a big stat head and I love to go through the record books during saves, but one of my biggest irks is the records from say 1900 that are just entirely untouchable. I would love the ability to pick a year as a say cutoff when importing league history.

BaseballMan · 02-25-2023, 02:07 PM

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Originally Posted by rmoons24

Yup that is what I am getting at. I am a big stat head and I love to go through the record books during saves, but one of my biggest irks is the records from say 1900 that are just entirely untouchable. I would love the ability to pick a year as a say cutoff when importing league history.

Yeah I would like that as well.
I would also like to be able to have an option to have my 1871-1900 record book separate from my 1901- present record book.
I can always go to the backup but being able to do it from my current sim year would be nice.
I don't know if it's possible in the almanac.

rmoons24 · 02-25-2023, 07:26 PM

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Originally Posted by BaseballMan

Yeah I would like that as well.
I would also like to be able to have an option to have my 1871-1900 record book separate from my 1901- present record book.
I can always go to the backup but being able to do it from my current sim year would be nice.
I don't know if it's possible in the almanac.

Agreed, that would be great.

David Watts · 02-25-2023, 08:19 PM

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Originally Posted by rmoons24

Yup that is what I am getting at. I am a big stat head and I love to go through the record books during saves, but one of my biggest irks is the records from say 1900 that are just entirely untouchable. I would love the ability to pick a year as a say cutoff when importing league history.

This would be such a great addition. I thought I was the only one that didn't like the pre-1900 stuff. I've been begging for the ability to erase all history for years, but your idea of cutoff date would be a great addition. Thing is though, they have to make sure if I pick 1920 as my cutoff year, Johnny Evers doesn't import in 1922 with stats going back to 1902.

Scoman · 02-26-2023, 01:47 PM

Could someone direct me to the historical mode updates?

AlpineSK · 02-26-2023, 10:54 PM

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Originally Posted by Markus Heinsohn

Since I assume your are trying to troll here, let me just say this: We have indeed worked on all these areas of the game, yes

1,600 posts here, many historical playthroughs, many of which I've written about extensively in dynasty threads... No, Markus. I'm not trying to troll here. Its a valid complaint and concern that has become A LOT more prominent in recent versions of the game.

Markus Heinsohn · 02-27-2023, 02:20 AM

One new thing that will make a big difference is that we now use a new pitcher BABIP rating in historical leagues. That will help pitchers who, in reality, always outperformed their expected BABIP but performed worse in OOTP.

swoboda · 02-27-2023, 11:29 AM

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Originally Posted by Markus Heinsohn

One new thing that will make a big difference is that we now use a new pitcher BABIP rating in historical leagues. That will help pitchers who, in reality, always outperformed their expected BABIP but performed worse in OOTP.

Excellent approach , looking forward to seeing this!

italyprof · 03-03-2023, 09:47 AM

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Originally Posted by Hoiles

I’m kind of like a broken record, but the biggest new feature for me would be to have NLBers added to random debut. I think they’ve done a solid job rerating the players, Satchel Paige is at least a solid Top 2 starter instead of a AAAA player like in previous versions.

Marcus, could you answer this question please? For many of us, who play exclusively historical mode - the forgotten stepchildren of OOTP - being able to have an option of including Negro League players - or even selected historical minors players, but above all the Negro League players, in random debut historical leagues is the gold standard. For me, also important would be if old time ballparks - Ebbetts Field, the Polo Grounds, etc. were available in the same quality as today's stadiums.

And if there is any other important change in historical leagues, could you please tell us what they are, and not be coy about it - so far I have read these threads in the forum and watched the trailer and there is literally zero information about what has been done. You are asking me - granted to buy a good product - but asking me to spend money when I happily pla OOTP 23, so tell me what is added or changed please. Thanks.

Rain King · 03-03-2023, 09:51 AM

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Originally Posted by italyprof

Marcus, could you answer this question please? For many of us, who play exclusively historical mode - the forgotten stepchildren of OOTP - being able to have an option of including Negro League players - or even selected historical minors players, but above all the Negro League players, in random debut historical leagues is the gold standard. For me, also important would be if old time ballparks - Ebbetts Field, the Polo Grounds, etc. were available in the same quality as today's stadiums.

And if there is any other important change in historical leagues, could you please tell us what they are, and not be coy about it - so far I have read these threads in the forum and watched the trailer and there is literally zero information about what has been done. You are asking me - granted to buy a good product - but asking me to spend money when I happily pla OOTP 23, so tell me what is added or changed please. Thanks.

I'll object to the "stepchild" statement. Historical is constantly getting attention just like all aspects of the game are.

You are not being forced to buy anything right now. The features will be revealed in further depth in time. It is a rollout, this is how that works.

You can absolutely wait until further information is provided to make your purchase decision.

italyprof · 03-03-2023, 10:24 AM

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Originally Posted by Rain King

I'll object to the "stepchild" statement. Historical is constantly getting attention just like all aspects of the game are.

You are not being forced to buy anything right now. The features will be revealed in further depth in time. It is a rollout, this is how that works.

You can absolutely wait until further information is provided to make your purchase decision.

Except we are getting ads to pre-order it now. No one is forcing me of course not. But if someone said "take this job and start work now" and you asked "um what job? What work do you want me to do?" would you sign up after getting no reply? And then if someone said "no one is forcing you to take the job" as a reply to a question you didn't ask, wouldn't you refer yourself to Bob Dylan's "Ballad of a Thin Man" and ask "Oh my God am I here all alone?"

Fabtron7 · 03-03-2023, 10:57 AM

If it makes you historical guys feel better we’re not getting the perfect team reveal stream until two days AFTER the early access on the 21st… That seems a little late to the party to me.

Bluenoser · 03-03-2023, 11:08 AM

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Originally Posted by italyprof

Except we are getting ads to pre-order it now. No one is forcing me of course not. But if someone said "take this job and start work now" and you asked "um what job? What work do you want me to do?" would you sign up after getting no reply? And then if someone said "no one is forcing you to take the job" as a reply to a question you didn't ask, wouldn't you refer yourself to Bob Dylan's "Ballad of a Thin Man" and ask "Oh my God am I here all alone?"

Apples and oranges.

You are not being asked to do anything, you are being given an option. Pre order or don't, entirely up to you.

Matt Arnold · 03-03-2023, 11:40 AM

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Originally Posted by Fabtron7

If it makes you historical guys feel better we’re not getting the perfect team reveal stream until two days AFTER the early access on the 21st… That seems a little late to the party to me.

We haven't announced the full pre-release stream schedule yet. Keep your eyes open

Fabtron7 · 03-03-2023, 11:46 AM

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Originally Posted by matt arnold

we haven't announced the full pre-release stream schedule yet. Keep your eyes open

love it

Matt Arnold · 03-03-2023, 11:46 AM

As for historical changes, we'll detail more as we go through, but one of the big items listed was the addition of the pitcher babip field. I talked about it a little on the podcast, but it should help make the best players from the past who always seem to have an innate ability to miss bats reach their potentials. And it should also help teams who in the past on replays have under-performed without making all their players Ozzie Smith in the field.

There's some other changes as well - we have re-rated virtually everyone with new historical defensive ratings, which should hopefully better reflect their careers and again help some teams out who relied on big fielding.

Plus even more items like being able to better auto-import everything from parks to historical jerseys if you download historical mods, and really let you actually play your games out in the historical context with very little effort from your part (in a perfect world, you can probably download a mod to one folder, and everything will magically work for you when you play through your historical game. In reality, you may have to move a couple files around, but hopefully it should ease the process). And even little things related to that, like when you're playing in the past, we'll go back to calling stadiums by their actual names (like Fenway Park), but still allowing easy access if you have a "Fenway Park 19xx-19xx" 3d model to use for when parks we re-named or changed layouts.

swoboda · 03-03-2023, 11:52 AM

"...like being able to better auto-import everything from parks to historical jerseys if you download historical mods..."

If this works well it will be much appreciated!

Hoiles · 03-03-2023, 02:24 PM

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Originally Posted by italyprof

Marcus, could you answer this question please? For many of us, who play exclusively historical mode - the forgotten stepchildren of OOTP - being able to have an option of including Negro League players - or even selected historical minors players, but above all the Negro League players, in random debut historical leagues is the gold standard.

Not just random debut, but a general historical option with NL/AL+NeLs, but without minors. It would be nice to be able to choose a league with the J. Gibsons, Charlestons, etc, without having to deal with thousands of minor leaguers. As someone who often works with databases, I understand the technical issues of mixing the work-in-progress NeL stats with the validated/official MLB ones.

zappa1 · 03-03-2023, 04:10 PM

I would hope to see real coaches and managers added. I know it's hard finding out this info because I've tried myself to do. Especially the older teams. Older teams tend to have less coaches. Some doing double duty like hitting coach and 1st base coach.

Syd Thrift · 03-04-2023, 06:27 PM

I understand why it was done but tbh the BABIP thing feels like a sop to people who don’t want to accept that for most pitchers it’s not a thing they can control and that guys like Allan Anderson and Johnny Podres just got hit lucky for a season or two (which, even though he was practically the poster child for the anti-DIPS crowd back in the day, his historical BABIP was below average for his career; he just had one really lucky year where opponents BABIPed .250). I know the mantra is always “just turn it off” but OOTP isn’t Strat and I think it doesn’t do super well when it tries to be Strat.

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swoboda All Star Starter Join Date: Mar 2005 Location: Guarding The Line Posts: 1,229	"...like being able to better auto-import everything from parks to historical jerseys if you download historical mods..." If this works well it will be much appreciated! __________________ "...If you want to look ahead to the bottom of the ninth, the Mets will be sending up Buddy Harrelson, Jerry Buchek , and Don Bosch, we'll be right back after this word from Rheingold Beer" The late great Lindsey Nelson

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Scoman All Star Starter Join Date: Jul 2003 Location: heath ohio Posts: 1,831	Could someone direct me to the historical mode updates?

03-03-2023, 11:46 AM	#36
Matt Arnold OOTP Developer Join Date: Jun 2009 Location: Here and there Posts: 16,178	As for historical changes, we'll detail more as we go through, but one of the big items listed was the addition of the pitcher babip field. I talked about it a little on the podcast, but it should help make the best players from the past who always seem to have an innate ability to miss bats reach their potentials. And it should also help teams who in the past on replays have under-performed without making all their players Ozzie Smith in the field. There's some other changes as well - we have re-rated virtually everyone with new historical defensive ratings, which should hopefully better reflect their careers and again help some teams out who relied on big fielding. Plus even more items like being able to better auto-import everything from parks to historical jerseys if you download historical mods, and really let you actually play your games out in the historical context with very little effort from your part (in a perfect world, you can probably download a mod to one folder, and everything will magically work for you when you play through your historical game. In reality, you may have to move a couple files around, but hopefully it should ease the process). And even little things related to that, like when you're playing in the past, we'll go back to calling stadiums by their actual names (like Fenway Park), but still allowing easy access if you have a "Fenway Park 19xx-19xx" 3d model to use for when parks we re-named or changed layouts.

03-03-2023, 04:10 PM	#39
zappa1 Hall Of Famer Join Date: Apr 2012 Location: Pennsylvania Posts: 2,214	I would hope to see real coaches and managers added. I know it's hard finding out this info because I've tried myself to do. Especially the older teams. Older teams tend to have less coaches. Some doing double duty like hitting coach and 1st base coach.