Very disappointing decision 2.0

[RaUni]

Originally Posted by Pelican

Again, I have trouble seeing OOTP as the villain here. In what I understand as a threat of legal action, essentially a kind of extortion, their options were limited. As a lawyer, I would reluctantly have to advise the client, if you can’t or won’t pay the [exhorbitant] premium, then you are going to have to remove the material. Quickly. And yes, without adequate testing or proper regard for the consequences. That’s unfortunately the way licensing works - or doesn’t work.

I don’t disagree that it could and should have been handled better, from the standpoint of those who enjoy playing with that league and those players. But again, if there was no way to negotiate use, the legal advice was probably sound, if brutal to the developers. They were just trying to protect OOTP from liability.

And again, this would never happen, if a reasonable licensing fee could have been negotiated. I am confident that OOTP [or its corporate parent] would have tried to accomplish that. But it takes two to tango, and it does not sound like there was any cooperation on the other side. As in, maybe the league is planning its own game, or granting exclusive rights to somebody else? That’s beyond the control of OOTP and its legal team.

OOTP even with a good "deal" would have no reason to accept anything for the 23 game...it would just be lost money. Business wise it would make more sense to nuke 23 and then do a deal for 24 if they wanted to. But all of the above is speculation. There is no lawsuit, there is no threat of lawsuit according to anything. They were asked to take it down. They did it. They have not commented. We have their actions. That is it. But if you want to say they were not the bad guy and due to a lawsuit being threatened, that means they were likely doing something illegal. So they are a bad guy in that situation too. They are protecting themselves with their silence and actions. Burn all evidence!

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[BaseballGOAT]

Originally Posted by Pelican

Again, I have trouble seeing OOTP as the villain here. In what I understand as a threat of legal action, essentially a kind of extortion, their options were limited. As a lawyer, I would reluctantly have to advise the client, if you can’t or won’t pay the [exhorbitant] premium, then you are going to have to remove the material. Quickly. And yes, without adequate testing or proper regard for the consequences. That’s unfortunately the way licensing works - or doesn’t work.

I don’t disagree that it could and should have been handled better, from the standpoint of those who enjoy playing with that league and those players. But again, if there was no way to negotiate use, the legal advice was probably sound, if brutal to the developers. They were just trying to protect OOTP from liability.

And again, this would never happen, if a reasonable licensing fee could have been negotiated. I am confident that OOTP [or its corporate parent] would have tried to accomplish that. But it takes two to tango, and it does not sound like there was any cooperation on the other side. As in, maybe the league is planning its own game, or granting exclusive rights to somebody else? That’s beyond the control of OOTP and its legal team.

Let me simplify things for Ya then. That league in thebfar east owns its trad3marks and IP. They sold the exclusive licensing rights for a baseball game based on said league to Konami. OOTP decided to be cute and use American law versus Japanese law, whereas you can't trademark names and sports stats. Well said league is based in Japan not the US. So they broke trademark and licensing laws. Then as the company got bigger and was sold to Com2uS it finally came to the attention of said league or Konami and the rest is as they say history. OOTP runs this risk with every non American league in the entire game with the exception of the kbo since they have that license. OOTP should have released the other leagues through one of the forum users as a mod. Then there would be no liability.

[pauwoo]

Originally Posted by BaseballGOAT

Let me simplify things for Ya then. That league in thebfar east owns its trad3marks and IP. They sold the exclusive licensing rights for a baseball game based on said league to Konami. OOTP decided to be cute and use American law versus Japanese law, whereas you can't trademark names and sports stats. Well said league is based in Japan not the US. So they broke trademark and licensing laws. Then as the company got bigger and was sold to Com2uS it finally came to the attention of said league or Konami and the rest is as they say history. OOTP runs this risk with every non American league in the entire game with the exception of the kbo since they have that license. OOTP should have released the other leagues through one of the forum users as a mod. Then there would be no liability.

100% conjecture.

[PSUColonel]

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[BaseballGOAT]

Originally Posted by pauwoo

100% conjecture.

Another apologist

[Carplos]

Everything outside of "This is a com2us decision" is conjecture at this point. On both sides.

[pauwoo]

Originally Posted by BaseballGOAT

Another apologist

I’ve apologized for nothing.

But I will offer you this - I apologize if my stating the obvious hurt your feelings. That wasn’t my intent. I just wanted to point out that everything you’ve attempted to set that guy straight with is based on information you don’t actually have. That you’ve drawn those conclusions based on woefully inadequate, likely incorrect, and definitely incomplete information.

You basically made it up and then tried to pawn it off as fact.

[Dave Stieb II]

Originally Posted by Carplos

Everything outside of "This is a com2us decision" is conjecture at this point. On both sides.

Thank you! Very much!
This is the most accurate post anyone has made on any forum in recent days. So succinct. So simple. So TRUE. (Unless I've missed an update from OOTPD and I don't think I have)
Taking what Markus originally said at face value - which I do.....

"I need to share some sad news today. We recently had a talk with our parent company Com2uS about the [league redacted], and Com2uS asked us to remove all the data concerning this unlicensed league from OOTP. The reason is updated Com2uS license policies regarding the [league redacted] data."

After that, as you said and to paraphrase.....EVERYTHING else is 100% pure speculation and conjecture."

[pauwoo]

Originally Posted by Dave Stieb II

Thank you! Very much!
This is the most accurate post anyone has made on any forum in recent days. So succinct. So simple. So TRUE. (Unless I've missed an update from OOTPD and I don't think I have)
Taking what Markus originally said at face value - which I do.....

"I need to share some sad news today. We recently had a talk with our parent company Com2uS about the [league redacted], and Com2uS asked us to remove all the data concerning this unlicensed league from OOTP. The reason is updated Com2uS license policies regarding the [league redacted] data."

After that, as you said and to paraphrase.....EVERYTHING else is 100% pure speculation and conjecture."

Interesting take given your earlier posts on this thread.

[CONN CHRIS]

Originally Posted by Carplos

Everything outside of "This is a com2us decision" is conjecture at this point. On both sides.

Thank you. No one knows anything at this juncture; it would be simply fabulous if you all would stop using this as a reason to attack one another.

[Dave Stieb II]

Originally Posted by pauwoo

Interesting take given your earlier posts on this thread.

Don't understand your take on my take at all.
If you think I had 'chosen a side' at any point then you have fully misunderstood my issues with a few posts that I felt added no value to the discussion and were getting a little outrageous in their lack of objectivity.
But that is possibly my fault for not being precise in the points I was making.
Whatever. I don't want to go into further detail and belabor or inflame the issue.

[BaseballGOAT]

Originally Posted by pauwoo

I’ve apologized for nothing.

But I will offer you this - I apologize if my stating the obvious hurt your feelings. That wasn’t my intent. I just wanted to point out that everything you’ve attempted to set that guy straight with is based on information you don’t actually have. That you’ve drawn those conclusions based on woefully inadequate, likely incorrect, and definitely incomplete information.

You basically made it up and then tried to pawn it off as fact.

Believe that if you want. But this discussion predates the issue with this current league and its issues. Not sure how many have noticed the first licensing issue or not. But this is definitely not the only licensing issue that's been dealt with in this release cycle

[pauwoo]

Originally Posted by Dave Stieb II

Don't understand your take on my take at all.
If you think I had 'chosen a side' at any point then you have fully misunderstood my issues with a few posts that I felt added no value to the discussion and were getting a little outrageous in their lack of objectivity.
But that is possibly my fault for not being precise in the points I was making.
Whatever. I don't want to go into further detail and belabor or inflame the issue.

Fair enough.

[pauwoo]

Originally Posted by BaseballGOAT

Believe that if you want. But this discussion predates the issue with this current league and its issues. Not sure how many have noticed the first licensing issue or not. But this is definitely not the only licensing issue that's been dealt with in this release cycle

How'd you make that little green-faced, laughing guy? Fancy.

[BaseballGOAT]

Originally Posted by pauwoo

How'd you make that little green-faced, laughing guy? Fancy.

Don't even know lol

[pauwoo]

What you did there, with the company name, on a company maintained board should be an automatic ban. Take down this kids IP and show him the door. This community will be better for it.

[RaUni]

Originally Posted by pauwoo

What you did there, with the company name, on a company maintained board should be an automatic ban. Take down this kids IP and show him the door. This community will be better for it.

I think they're more concerned with hiding all the stuff they were illegally sharing on their company maintained boards right now. I'll gladly leave the community if they compensate me for destroying my 287 hour save file. My hourly rate is negotiable.

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[mytreds]

Originally Posted by pauwoo

What you did there, with the company name, on a company maintained board should be an automatic ban. Take down this kids IP and show him the door. This community will be better for it.

Lol of all the doom and gloom in this thread, that joke made me laugh out loud. Cmon, lighten up a little.

[Syd Thrift]

Originally Posted by mytreds

Lol of all the doom and gloom in this thread, that joke made me laugh out loud. Cmon, lighten up a little.

porn fune i am an adult

[BaseballGOAT]

Originally Posted by pauwoo

What you did there, with the company name, on a company maintained board should be an automatic ban. Take down this kids IP and show him the door. This community will be better for it.

All i got t to say is this, not all of us that aren't happy with this situation are like this fella. I've been on here against what's happened from the get go. .. but all I've asked for off the jump is guidelines on what to do to avoid getting leagues scrubbed in the future. To which, through trial and error the community is finding out. Just been nicer to get some guidance from the top. But it's what it is. Just trying to move forward and still enjoy the game. So don't lump us all together when looking st those who are upset with this company at the current moment