Mets

[Westheim]

At this point I'd rather have the Mets back out of that deal with a beeping noise, especially with Boras being the usual 8,000ft³ block of concrete that he is......

[dsvitak]

Originally Posted by Westheim

That was in the context of pitchers, but have you seen what the Mets usually sign?

Also, have you seen all the rings we've hauled in with smart, savvy team-building? =)

Cards just had the biggest signing in their history, at 87 million for Contreras.

Seeing as how the Card's catchers had an OPS of .552 last year, that's a good thing.

[Amazin69]

Originally Posted by BMW

Eovaldi, young and healthy? His team is usually listed as "60 Day IL".

Oops, you're right; I missed the gray line where 2017 should be.

But other than that, he usually shows up. He led the AL in starts in 2021, with 32. Last season, he was out for a while, but still made 20 starts.

It's all mootville anyhow (Mets being all full up on starters atm), but relative to some of his competition, he seems reliable.

(Max Scherzer made 23 starts last season. Or $1,905,796.95 per start, if you can believe that.)

[BMW]

Originally Posted by Westheim

At this point I'd rather have the Mets back out of that deal with a beeping noise, especially with Boras being the usual 8,000ft³ block of concrete that he is......

General rule with Boras is that you can renegotiate whatever you want, as long as it doesn't affect his agent commission and his ability to make the payments on his third yacht.

[BMW]

During my prospect research, I uncovered two additional reasons to hate the end of M. Donald Grant's tenure, just prior to the Seaver trade.

In 1976, the Mets traded Staub for Lolich and Billy Baldwin. Baldwin had (9 games as a Met, never played in majors again) and Lolich, who pitched 1 year with an 8-13 record and a 3.22 ERA. He hated NY so much, he sat out the entire 1977 season and became a free agent. Lolich initially nixed the deal too from his tenure, but the Mets, Tigers and his own agent had to convince him to okay the deal.

The Orioles thought they had a deal done for Staub, that would have sent Doug DeCinces and a minor leaguer for Staub. DeCinces was basically a rookie at that point (72 complete games) and would go on to play 12 seasons and hit 233 home runs from 1976 onward, playing 3B until he retired. BBRef's system ranks him as the 38th best 3B of all time (Wright ranks 26).

In 1977, the Mets traded Kingman to the Padres for Paul Siebert and Bobby Valentine. Siebert had 56 ip for Mets, 4.50 ERA, never pitched in the bigs after age 25. Traded for Bob Coluccio, who never played in pro ball at all after the trade. Valentine had a .222 average for the Mets in 111 games before the Mets released him.

The Mets and Dodgers discussed a deal. The Mets wanted Cey, Russell, Monday or Reggie Smith. Dodgers said no - but we'll give you Dusty Baker. Mets said no way.

Dusty Baker played 10 more seasons, hit .282 with 161 homers and 1272 hits as a left fielder, two time all-star, a gold glove, two time silver slugger and received MVP votes in 1980 and 1981.

[dsvitak]

Originally Posted by BMW

During my prospect research, I uncovered two additional reasons to hate the end of M. Donald Grant's tenure, just prior to the Seaver trade.

In 1976, the Mets traded Staub for Lolich and Billy Baldwin. Baldwin had (9 games as a Met, never played in majors again) and Lolich, who pitched 1 year with an 8-13 record and a 3.22 ERA. He hated NY so much, he sat out the entire 1977 season and became a free agent. Lolich initially nixed the deal too from his tenure, but the Mets, Tigers and his own agent had to convince him to okay the deal.

The Orioles thought they had a deal done for Staub, that would have sent Doug DeCinces and a minor leaguer for Staub. DeCinces was basically a rookie at that point (72 complete games) and would go on to play 12 seasons and hit 233 home runs from 1976 onward, playing 3B until he retired. BBRef's system ranks him as the 38th best 3B of all time (Wright ranks 26).

In 1977, the Mets traded Kingman to the Padres for Paul Siebert and Bobby Valentine. Siebert had 56 ip for Mets, 4.50 ERA, never pitched in the bigs after age 25. Traded for Bob Coluccio, who never played in pro ball at all after the trade. Valentine had a .222 average for the Mets in 111 games before the Mets released him.

The Mets and Dodgers discussed a deal. The Mets wanted Cey, Russell, Monday or Reggie Smith. Dodgers said no - but we'll give you Dusty Baker. Mets said no way.

Dusty Baker played 10 more seasons, hit .282 with 161 homers and 1272 hits as a left fielder, two time all-star, a gold glove, two time silver slugger and received MVP votes in 1980 and 1981.

Rusty Staub is the only player in MLB history with 500 games with four different teams.

[Amazin69]

So, not only is Charlie Oppenheimer Jr. (aka "Carlos Correa") still not a Met, but Andrew Benintendi is still not officially with the Pale Hose. Not according to Wikipedia, Baseball-Reference or MLB.com. One might be slacking on the updating, but not all three.

What's the hold up? It's been more than half a month, already. Huh.

[BMW]

Originally Posted by Amazin69

So, not only is Charlie Oppenheimer Jr. (aka "Carlos Correa") still not a Met, but Andrew Benintendi is still not officially with the Pale Hose. Not according to Wikipedia, Baseball-Reference or MLB.com. One might be slacking on the updating, but not all three.

What's the hold up? It's been more than half a month, already. Huh.

The accountant in me is wondering if there's some part of the luxury tax rules that make it better to officially sign the player after the new year starts. That's like 1000% supposition though on my part.

[Cod]

Originally Posted by Amazin69

What's the hold up? It's been more than half a month, already. Huh.

Late last week some news came out that Steven Cohen was in conversations with MLB about unique contract clauses and the legalities (and whatnot). Being it a holiday week and no dire timelines, I bet the back and forth is just taking longer than normal.

[BIG17EASY]

Originally Posted by Cod

Late last week some news came out that Steven Cohen was in conversations with MLB about unique contract clauses and the legalities (and whatnot). Being it a holiday week and no dire timelines, I bet the back and forth is just taking longer than normal.

Jerry Blevins mentioned on the Shea Station podcast that when you get into restructuring a contract and putting in clauses related to playing time or injuries, it usually needs to be approved or at least run past the players' union and the league office. So if they're trying to restructure to take out some of the guaranteed money and turn it into escalator clauses based on playing time, then getting all the necessary folks to agree on the language would take some time even if it wasn't a holiday week.

[Déjà Bru]

You will not have Dominic Smith to kick around anymore.

[Westheim]

So he's guaranteed to hit .325 with 36 dingers this year, you say.

[Déjà Bru]

Originally Posted by Westheim

So he's guaranteed to hit .325 with 36 dingers this year, you say.

Yes, and I would estimate a .412 batting average and at least 20 of those home runs against the Mets alone.

[Amazin69]

Originally Posted by Déjà Bru

You will not have Dominic Smith to kick around anymore.

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Le Sigh.

2020: receives MVP votes
2021: Luis "Arm Care" Rojas and Hugh Quattlebum mess him up, just as they did to J.D. and Conforto, and even Jeff McNeil. (Lindor also underachieved, but there were other issues involved.)
2022: Eppler buries Dom at Syracuse because Vogelfat and Ruf-Bad-Dog! are totally the solution!
2023: Murphy redux?

At least Murphy priced himself out of a job. (I wanted to keep him and arguably I was right, but I understood management's decision.) This is just mishandling the talent. Way to go, Mets!

[Cod]

https://twitter.com/jonheyman/status...56223629430784

If true, Correa may not be a Met after-all.

[Westheim]

Originally Posted by Cod

https://twitter.com/jonheyman/status...56223629430784

If true, Correa may not be a Met after-all.

If that's what it takes to NOT be stuck with a $300m, one-legged shortstop for a decade, I'm on board.

[BBGiovanni]

Originally Posted by Westheim

If that's what it takes to NOT be stuck with a $300m, one-legged shortstop for a decade, I'm on board.

You'll get a new, different $30M/yr one legged shortstop every year for ten years, and you'll like it!

[Syd Thrift]

Originally Posted by Cod

https://twitter.com/jonheyman/status...56223629430784

If true, Correa may not be a Met after-all.

That is a weirdly pro-ownership spin on the situation. Reading through stuff it looks to me like the Mets swooped in and inked him to a long term deal pending a physical, the physical came back looking not great, and the Mets are trying to back out or sweeten the pot on their side. It’s not exactly out of the ordinary, especially considering the Mets were only able to sweep in in the first place because the Giants did the exact same thing. At worse it makes the Mets front office seem capricious, which… they are capricious.

[Syd Thrift]

Dola,

Having said that, Martino is reporting this with an even stronger pro-Mets spin, stating that they’re “frustrated”, which sounds to me like “frustrated that Boras does in fact still want the same contract they agreed to”.

https://twitter.com/martinonyc/statu...boUZQHkerauQAg

[Westheim]

Originally Posted by Syd Thrift

That is a weirdly pro-ownership spin on the situation. Reading through stuff it looks to me like the Mets swooped in and inked him to a long term deal pending a physical, the physical came back looking not great, and the Mets are trying to back out or sweeten the pot on their side. It’s not exactly out of the ordinary, especially considering the Mets were only able to sweep in in the first place because the Giants did the exact same thing. At worse it makes the Mets front office seem capricious, which… they are capricious.

At least they're capricious while spending money.

It was a lot more embarassing whenever the Wilpons shopped in the aisle with dented cans, bruised fruit, and legless shortstops, and proclaimed they had won the offseason for $27.50 ......