How Does OOTP Compare?

[PSUColonel]

I asked the same question in the FHM forum, as I am curious to see what different players of each (or both) might think. How does FHM compare to OOTP overall as a sports managemnt sim? Obviously they are different sports, so no need to point out the obvious. What are some of the things FHM maybe does better than OOTP?, what are some of the things maybe it doesn't do as well? I have never so much as even tried FHM, so I think it's an interesting question.

I am curious to see what people think! Maybe the two franchises can learn a few things from each other!

[OOTP Rookie]

Originally Posted by PSUColonel

I asked the same question in the FHM forum, as I am curious to see what different players of each (or both) might think. How does FHM compare to OOTP overall as a sports managemnt sim? Obviously they are different sports, so no need to point out the obvious. What are some of the things FHM maybe does better than OOTP?, what are some of the things maybe it doesn't do as well? I have never so much as even tried FHM, so I think it's an interesting question.

I am curious to see what people think! Maybe the two franchises can learn a few things from each other!

Good question, Colonel. Personally, I've spent countless hours with OOTP 22 and 23 and am very much looking forward to 24.

I saw the following recent comment on the FHM forum, which mirrored some things that I've seen here on the OOTP forum.

Originally Posted by thesmokeshow

I think there alot of good things in this game. Tactics, line chemistry, depth of numerous leagues, fan approval system and a bunch others seem to be headed in the right direction.

For me, the drawbacks are somewhat few but substantial. The draft classes fall off a cliff after the 3rd class. Become pretty unrealistic for longer term builds. Which kinda baffles me why this is the case. I am no programmer but it seems like a reasonably easy fix.

And the AI management continues to be underwhelming. As some have mentioned on these forums, the AI just make some immersion-crushing decisons. They let way too many higher rated prospects go unsigned. And the contract renewal system needs a complete overhaul. Way too many 3 year extensions for elite players that would normally get 6-8. And the salary per year is very unrealistic for the elite guys as well as the bottom end guys. You see too many of them get $4-5M which probably effects why so many important young players don't get signed.

All of this leads to sims not aging well. The further you get in, the more unrealistic it seems to get. For someone like me that likes to have long term sims, it takes me out of it way too quickly. I also understand some of these things are probably the hardest things to fix. AI management is more than likely very difficult to program.

Even if they could clean up the contract stuff, the draft classes and not letting so many key young guys go unsigned, this game would be something I'd play a ton more.

I've recently started playing in an online league. And its been awesome. When you take the AI management out of the mix, then this game is very good and fun to play.

[zappa1]

Why? You know where this is gonna go. I don't get it.

[BusterKing]

Originally Posted by zappa1

Why? You know where this is gonna go. I don't get it.

I'm also tired of reading these kind of posts. Some like being trolls.

[BIG17EASY]

Wash, rinse, repeat.

[DJ_Jak_32]

Is this groundhog day? Seriously....why keep opening up these threads, just go back and read the 100 other closed ones on the same kind of topic and see it's the same people saying the same tired things. Let it go already.

[AESP_pres]

FFS... how many locked thread you need on the first page.

[Rain King]

While these threads are annoying at this point. It is also annoying to post about how they are going to get locked before anything has actually happened that is worth locking.

[Scipio Africanus]

I am kind of amused by the idea that the posters think annoying and pestering and insulting the developers will somehow get the developers to do what they want.

[PSUColonel]

I don't know why on earth why this is offensive to anyone...fine. Lock the thread. I am done with this forum I think.

[DJ_Jak_32]

Originally Posted by PSUColonel

I don't know why on earth why this is offensive to anyone...fine. Lock the thread. I am done with this forum I think.

It's not that these kind of threads are opened, it's that there is a new one almost the next day after another one (or two) are closed because they go down the same rabbit hole as soon as a couple other members see it and say the exact same stuff they always do.

I am sure the Devs have seen these, and there has been a lot of good stuff in them, but the problem is they always end up the same way. Why not just compile a list of things that you have issue with and post it in the Beta forum (you said you were on the Beta team) and discuss it with the Devs there, and if you need input from others not on the team, maybe DM them and discuss it there so these threads don't end up with the name calling and insults that always pop up in them.

[David Watts]

I just wonder why Jimmy can't start his own threads?

[AESP_pres]

Originally Posted by PSUColonel

I don't know why on earth why this is offensive to anyone...fine. Lock the thread. I am done with this forum I think.

It's because we know the guy who haven't bought the game since the version 18 will show up and say the same things that got the other thread closed... check them and you'll see he act like an ass with every members that disagree with him.


And to be honest talking of another company on another company forum is kind of weird...

[Rain King]

Originally Posted by AESP_pres

It's because we know the guy who haven't bought the game since the version 18 will show up and say the same things that got the other thread closed... check them and you'll see he act like an ass with every members that disagree with him.


And to be honest talking of another company on another company forum is kind of weird...

But that hasn't happened as of yet. So, right now it is just everyone else clogging up the thread by jumping in and predicting what is going to happen instead of contributing.

At the same time, I just don't get the premise of the thread. These two games are made by the same company. The developers know each other. We don't need to facilitate information sharing between them.

[BIG17EASY]

Originally Posted by Rain King

But that hasn't happened as of yet. So, right now it is just everyone else clogging up the thread by jumping in and predicting what is going to happen instead of contributing.

At the same time, I just don't get the premise of the thread. These two games are made by the same company. The developers know each other. We don't need to facilitate information sharing between them.

And OOTP is 14 years older than FHM, so it's pretty reasonable to assume that a game with that much extra life is going to be a more polished product.

I think a better place to start this thread would've been just to try to get a gauge on how many people play both games regularly. Nobody has replied in this thread with any comparisons and only two people have replied to PSU's thread over on the FHM boards (both speak glowingly of OOTP, by the way). I have never touched FHM and don't have any interest in it despite being a hockey fan. That's probably partly because I have a much more intimate knowledge of baseball, but I think it's also because baseball is probably the best sport (along with maybe soccer) for this type of game.

No sport on the planet is as numbers-driven as baseball is, especially with the explosion of advanced metrics within the game over the past decade-plus. That makes baseball perfect for a text sim. Does the NHL have that type of depth in terms of statistics and how they're used in roster construction?

[OOTP Rookie]

Originally Posted by AESP_pres

It's because we know the guy who haven't bought the game since the version 18 will show up and say the same things that got the other thread closed... check them and you'll see he act like an ass with every members that disagree with him.

I don't spend that much time here.

But doesn't the forum have an option where you can ignore or mute someone?

[BIG17EASY]

Originally Posted by OOTP Rookie

I don't spend that much time here.

But doesn't the forum have an option where you can ignore or mute someone?

Yes, but some people enjoy feeding the trolls.

[PSUColonel]

Originally Posted by AESP_pres

It's because we know the guy who haven't bought the game since the version 18 will show up and say the same things that got the other thread closed... check them and you'll see he act like an ass with every members that disagree with him.


And to be honest talking of another company on another company forum is kind of weird...

Well, to be fair…I haven’t purchased the game in a very long time either. Therefore I have always considered it my duty to try to point out flaws, areas where I think there could be improvement, or just plain wacky new ideas. I’m sorry if my experimentation and collaborative process has spilled into the main forums, but the BETA forums just don’t seem to have a lot of collaboration these days either. I suppose it will be easier to just stay silent and lurk here and there, but yea, I think I’m done here for the most part.

[zappa1]

Originally Posted by David Watts

I just wonder why Jimmy can't start his own threads?

I also thought this same thing yesterday. It's almost like a plan.

[AESP_pres]

Originally Posted by Rain King

These two games are made by the same company.

You're 100% right... for some reason my mind immediatly thought about the soccer simulation game



OOTP and FHM and the Boxing game (I forgot his name) are all from the same company...