Mission Disappointment This Year

[professor ape]

There’s no good reason why GO wasn’t a priority for the start of the season, but it is in beta now so hopefully we’ll see it soon with a blitz to get a wave of mobile users going. The biggest impact for me would be an increase in returns from tournaments with more casual players jumping into the fray.

[frankbama]

a) there should be missions every week - spread out the same total number of missions if you want, but adding missions spreads out the demand and increases the fun.

b) since we started late, maybe that's why there's some increased frustration with content - that said there's a lot of variety in total team rosters. my team has no business being in perfect - it probably would have been crushed in 22

c) there were a ton of comments on similar rosters in every league last year, I think they did listen to that and there is a lot more variety this year - possibly because of the mission reward/effort ratio or just with more cards having different skills

d) the rewards are way behind the skill of the teams by the time you can realistically complete missions, even if you do spend a little $ (less than $100 total for the year)

e) in response to a comment or two here, I don't think Dish has control of the missions or content like Kris did since he was a developer. it would be nice though if they do let him come up with a themed one or two like the nuclear one that I'm assuming was Kris-driven

f) I think a lot of people may be going back to what I did in 21 and just selling off the NEG cards since they have no chance of completing the missions - the bronze ones are really cheap now and I don't remember them being so last year. Maybe, just don't remember.

g) I still like the concept of this game. I hope most of the complaints mentioned in this thread are taken into account by developers/management for the rest of the year or future releases.

h) I miss Unicorn and his 3 hour amazing content streams.

i) not sure if this would be better or even if I missed it, but without letting all the info out if there were somewhere that mentioned how the game was treating certain ratings this year compared to the next that would be helpful.

j) some of these strayed from the thread topic and I'm sorry. Thanks to anyone still reading or at least go through point d.

[Kushiel]

That is a relevant summation. I agree.

I have never been on the fence about PT before..But this time I am already unsure if I will play next year. In the grand scheme of things whether or not I play means nothing. However I think there are quite a few more of us. This year there has just been too much aggravation from the launch to now.

[Mikecouil]

Originally Posted by professor ape

There’s no good reason why GO wasn’t a priority for the start of the season, but it is in beta now so hopefully we’ll see it soon with a blitz to get a wave of mobile users going. The biggest impact for me would be an increase in returns from tournaments with more casual players jumping into the fray.

That isn't going to happen. They tried to CUT the rewards already a few weeks ago. They definitely aren't going to increase them.

[Jeff1787]

Originally Posted by Kushiel

That is a relevant summation. I agree.

I have never been on the fence about PT before..But this time I am already unsure if I will play next year. In the grand scheme of things whether or not I play means nothing. However I think there are quite a few more of us. This year there has just been too much aggravation from the launch to now.

Agree!

[TwanLX2000]

Originally Posted by frankbama

b) since we started late, maybe that's why there's some increased frustration with content - that said there's a lot of variety in total team rosters. my team has no business being in perfect - it probably would have been crushed in 22.

This point sums up my entire PT experience this year, and I think if we didn't already feel behind because of the late start, the slow release of "usable" content wouldn't feel so aggravating. I think if we were sitting with this current set of cards in the middle of May, there would be fewer complaints.

But I think the concept of "usable" varies greatly from player to player, and the development team DID answer the call to all the gripe about team variation (of which I did not prescribe). People want to throw a fit about no "usable" cards, and by usable, they mean meta: which by its very nature leads to copycat teams... lo and behold, people will complain about not being able to compete in diamond or above because they don't hold these "usable" cards. I have no problem with criticism, and surely I've said my fair share of peace, but choose a lane!

Where the slow roll has taken effect is the variety in the upper levels, where like frankbama, my team has no business being. Except they do -- because we look at other rosters and see the same thing. There are meta cards, but not meta rosters. I don't even think we know what that looks like yet, and so we argue over the "usefulness" of cards that might be total bangers for me and duds for you, depending on everything from park factors to dumb luck.

I'm sure it'll play out similarly in the end, but I do hope we get GO to provide an influx of new users (and some scrubs to pick on in tournaments... bwahahah). And I hope the mission quantity catches up a bit so that we don't feel like we're spending as much of our season on auto-pilot with the late start, and then it's just... over.

I'm hopeful the tone will change; regardless of how anyone feels about the specific cards, this particular set of BAL missions gave us something to do this past weekend, which felt like PT. That's all I'm looking for: a feeling. I've got an addictive personality, and steer clear of drugs and gambling for that reason... can I purchase a $35 game for a year's worth of feels?

Keep the missions coming!

[professor ape]

Originally Posted by Mikecouil

That isn't going to happen. They tried to CUT the rewards already a few weeks ago. They definitely aren't going to increase them.

I’m not saying that they would increase the rewards for tournaments. The issue now is that those of us who are active in the tournaments are largely knowledgeable players. Without a solid population of casual players the odds of winning packs in any given tournament are lower because the competition is stronger. This is driving down the returns from participating in tournaments. Bring on the fresh meat!

[Kushiel]

Originally Posted by professor ape

I’m not saying that they would increase the rewards for tournaments. The issue now is that those of us who are active in the tournaments are largely knowledgeable players. Without a solid population of casual players the odds of winning packs in any given tournament are lower because the competition is stronger. This is driving down the returns from participating in tournaments. Bring on the fresh meat!

It's like the new ownership has a deathwish for OOTP-PT. I feel sorry for Markus that there are so many disgruntled players in the Company that he spent his life building. But this year is a disaster, not because of wanting the meta early or easy, but because what we have has trickled down like a drippy faucet.

[Mikecouil]

Originally Posted by Jeff1787

Agree!

My problem with just walking away is that the guys on the front lines are doing their best and I feel like it's an indictment of them. Meanwhile the actual decision makers are firmly entrenched and don't have to answer for everything terrible that has happened this year.

[HomerD]

I have a friend who has started several airport limousine services in a large US city. He started the first one a long time ago, sold it to a group of guys who thought they could run it more efficiently, partied for a few years while they ran it into the ground, and started another. Same thing. And same thing again. Maybe even 4 or 5 iterations.


When the current management team has run OOTP into the ground, Marcus can do the same. Meanwhile I am looking forward to great improvements in FHM, and perhaps a FIFA game and a basketball sim game.

[Ty Cobb]

Originally Posted by HondoLane

Because you're not paying 6000 for 1 silver pack. You're paying 6000 to lock in all those cards, which will undoubtedly be include in future missions. .

No, you're paying 6k for a silver pack. By the time these astrophysical "future missions" come along, the whales squeezing FTP/low budget players for that 6K will have moved on. The whole future mission argument is akin to owning gold derivatives(https://www.moneyland.ch/en/gold-derivative-definition) in a crisis market—if the gold ain't in your hand, you don't own ****.

You want to charge 6k for a silver pack card, your business. I won't pay it, and nobody else should either.

[LeeD]

I have to say that I'm much happier with the recent mix of card and mission releases. Yes, the BAL gold missions have given us something to do, and the Pack Rewards were some sweet, basically free card pulls (two of my teams had them completed at issue, and the third only had to buy three cards). I pulled Perfect Robb Nen and a couple of historical DIamonds among those 30 packs, so it wasn't just the usual suspects, either.

[LeeD]

Originally Posted by professor ape

There’s no good reason why GO wasn’t a priority for the start of the season, but it is in beta now so hopefully we’ll see it soon with a blitz to get a wave of mobile users going. The biggest impact for me would be an increase in returns from tournaments with more casual players jumping into the fray.

Also the ability to join a lot more tournaments. I'm limited to about six to ten tournaments per day with only PC access. GO would at least double that.

[HondoLane]

Originally Posted by Ty Cobb

No, you're paying 6k for a silver pack. By the time these astrophysical "future missions" come along, the whales squeezing FTP/low budget players for that 6K will have moved on. The whole future mission argument is akin to owning gold derivatives(https://www.moneyland.ch/en/gold-derivative-definition) in a crisis market—if the gold ain't in your hand, you don't own ****.

You want to charge 6k for a silver pack card, your business. I won't pay it, and nobody else should either.

I disagree, lol.

[BertBDJ]

Is it possible these Platinum Series missions that they have released for the BAL track is the nail in the coffin?

I was grinding the BAL, had completed all the Gold missions, and felt underwhelmed by the rewards. Essentially, burned through my PP gained from anything worth selling but managed to get the missions done.

Then along comes Platinum Series 1 (which hints at even more Platinum series in the future) and there rewards are just 2 historical packs per mission.

Ok, that might work, missions are 200 points, I've worked those in previous years.... Open up the mission, and realize that they have built them so that it is impossible to get to 200 using trying to obtain a 50 plus card. Said cards, selling for 100k of PP. These missions are somewhere in the range of 200k to 400k per MISSION, for two 6000k PP packs.

I just shook my head, and closed the mission tab, it's impossible.

The ridiculousness of the situation is shown in the differential on Buy orders vs sell orders. 30 k PP buy on an offered 100k card. The market knows these prices are insane.

So now the whole grind of the BAL has absolutely been blocked, and I have no joy in the game at all. What's left? Basically, hoping for tourney pack miracles and stream tv packs.

Such a shame. I was really struggling to decide on whether to do the BAL grind, but previous years showed that it was worth it in the end. Now, I just don't know how to improve the team. I likely should have just banked, and purchased the top cards, since the BAL cards at diamond level are almost unplayable (there are few that perform sporadically for sure).

Such a overall disappointment.

[Bagpipes5]

It doesn't seem like as many people are playing this year. The deal with Amazon and OOTP22 might have a lot to do with that, seems like lots of players are closing their wallets. I've played each year and this year I'm seeing cards in the 60's and 70's go for around 50k PP. Thats nuts! It's for collections I'm sure but past versions didn't have this issue, vastly overpaying for a low rated card. I'm also just not a fan of the ratings this year. There are sooo many Live cards that are Perfect 100s while some of the games legendary players get 98s or 96s. That and the spread of the ratings seems pretty extreme with live cards, the ratings drop quickly and there are lots of minor league Live cards who are rated higher than their major league counterparts. Lots of Live MRs or LRs rated higher than the team's closer. I feel like ratings have been pretty spot on every year except this one.

[dishnet34]

Originally Posted by BertBDJ

Is it possible these Platinum Series missions that they have released for the BAL track is the nail in the coffin?

Just to clarify, the Build-A-Lineup track does not require Platinum Series missions. Those are its own thing.

[Drivehud.com]

Originally Posted by BertBDJ

Is it possible these Platinum Series missions that they have released for the BAL track is the nail in the coffin?

I was grinding the BAL, had completed all the Gold missions, and felt underwhelmed by the rewards. Essentially, burned through my PP gained from anything worth selling but managed to get the missions done.

Then along comes Platinum Series 1 (which hints at even more Platinum series in the future) and there rewards are just 2 historical packs per mission.

Ok, that might work, missions are 200 points, I've worked those in previous years.... Open up the mission, and realize that they have built them so that it is impossible to get to 200 using trying to obtain a 50 plus card. Said cards, selling for 100k of PP. These missions are somewhere in the range of 200k to 400k per MISSION, for two 6000k PP packs.

I just shook my head, and closed the mission tab, it's impossible.

The ridiculousness of the situation is shown in the differential on Buy orders vs sell orders. 30 k PP buy on an offered 100k card. The market knows these prices are insane.

So now the whole grind of the BAL has absolutely been blocked, and I have no joy in the game at all. What's left? Basically, hoping for tourney pack miracles and stream tv packs.

Such a shame. I was really struggling to decide on whether to do the BAL grind, but previous years showed that it was worth it in the end. Now, I just don't know how to improve the team. I likely should have just banked, and purchased the top cards, since the BAL cards at diamond level are almost unplayable (there are few that perform sporadically for sure).

Such a overall disappointment.

+1

The rewards for missions this year overall are a joke.

[HondoLane]

Originally Posted by BertBDJ

Is it possible these Platinum Series missions that they have released for the BAL track is the nail in the coffin?

I was grinding the BAL, had completed all the Gold missions, and felt underwhelmed by the rewards. Essentially, burned through my PP gained from anything worth selling but managed to get the missions done.

Then along comes Platinum Series 1 (which hints at even more Platinum series in the future) and there rewards are just 2 historical packs per mission.

Ok, that might work, missions are 200 points, I've worked those in previous years.... Open up the mission, and realize that they have built them so that it is impossible to get to 200 using trying to obtain a 50 plus card. Said cards, selling for 100k of PP. These missions are somewhere in the range of 200k to 400k per MISSION, for two 6000k PP packs.

I just shook my head, and closed the mission tab, it's impossible.

The ridiculousness of the situation is shown in the differential on Buy orders vs sell orders. 30 k PP buy on an offered 100k card. The market knows these prices are insane.

So now the whole grind of the BAL has absolutely been blocked, and I have no joy in the game at all. What's left? Basically, hoping for tourney pack miracles and stream tv packs.

Such a shame. I was really struggling to decide on whether to do the BAL grind, but previous years showed that it was worth it in the end. Now, I just don't know how to improve the team. I likely should have just banked, and purchased the top cards, since the BAL cards at diamond level are almost unplayable (there are few that perform sporadically for sure).

Such a overall disappointment.

Sounds like you just need to play the game smarter, especially as F2P. We already knew what cards were going to make up most of the Silver and Gold missions for BAL (and upcoming diamond missions) - you should have had all of those, purchased for very cheap prices, before the missions ever came out.

I made 100K on the night the silver missions dropped and made 150K the night gold missions dropped (selling silver and gold duplicates and extras). I can't wait for the BAL Diamond missions to drop - hopefully I'll make 500K with my extras and it'll be nice to get 12 new perfects, of course.

Same thing goes for Platinum Series 1 missions. They told us there was going to be a mission set for it the day it came out. Did you keep every Platinum series pull or did you sell some before the mission came out? Did you buy extras before the missions? I was buying silvers for 1k and golds for 2k before the missions dropped - same cards were going for 5K and 10-15K once the missions dropped.

Just play the game smarter and you'll have a lot more success and fun.

[Drivehud.com]

Originally Posted by HondoLane

Sounds like you just need to play the game smarter, especially as F2P. We already knew what cards were going to make up most of the Silver and Gold missions for BAL (and upcoming diamond missions) - you should have had all of those, purchased for very cheap prices, before the missions ever came out.

I made 100K on the night the silver missions dropped and made 150K the night gold missions dropped (selling silver and gold duplicates and extras). I can't wait for the BAL Diamond missions to drop - hopefully I'll make 500K with my extras and it'll be nice to get 12 new perfects, of course.

Same thing goes for Platinum Series 1 missions. They told us there was going to be a mission set for it the day it came out. Did you keep every Platinum series pull or did you sell some before the mission came out? Did you buy extras before the missions? I was buying silvers for 1k and golds for 2k before the missions dropped - same cards were going for 5K and 10-15K once the missions dropped.

Just play the game smarter and you'll have a lot more success and fun.

Ridiculous and pompous response to his post. You don't know what kind of strategy he's using. He's complaining about missions rewards, which are unarguably bad this year.