Historical database issues go here!

[LansdowneSt]

Duplicate player:

https://forums.ootpdevelopments.com/...d.php?t=337800

[luckymann]

Originally Posted by Zitofan75

Tommy Harper is listed as playing for the San Diego Padres in 1962. He did. However, it was the PCL version of the team, not the MLB franchise yet the game thinks he was at the MLB level.

This is happening for a bunch of teams and their players. LAA of the Class-A PCL from the 1900s being treated as MLB is one that has recently come to my attention.

I am tracking them as I find them in THIS thread, so perhaps one of the devs can check in there from time to time and make notes.

Thanks

G

[msc123123]

Originally Posted by msc123123

I tried that but there is no one named Jim Jones or Art Milton on the 1943 Baltimore Elite Giant rosters. I think maybe the database was built off older data and we have since gotten more updated information because people looked into it more with it becoming major league. For example, looking at the 1943 rosters Charlie Biot is on the 1943 Baltimore Elite Giants but Baseball References/Seamshead agree he never played a game after 1941. Also, Willie Burns is on the Philadelphia Stars in 1943 when he is supposed to be on the Baltimore Elite Giants (he never played for the Stars).
For me personally, my main interest is on making sure all players are included in the database though. I don't think all these players are a case of just not having the IDs right. I can give the full list I have right now if that helps or if you could point me in another direction if I am missing something big somehow.

I wanted to follow up on this since it has been a week. Is there any plans to add in these major leaguers that aren't in the game? If not, I would appreciate if you just let me know so I can continue on playing my save and not waiting to hear back on whether they will be added in.

[Scoman]

https://forums.ootpdevelopments.com/...d.php?t=337813



Not sure who is in charge of the historical database now but whoever it is I think you need to check out this thread.

[LansdowneSt]

Originally Posted by msc123123

I wanted to follow up on this since it has been a week. Is there any plans to add in these major leaguers that aren't in the game? If not, I would appreciate if you just let me know so I can continue on playing my save and not waiting to hear back on whether they will be added in.

Jim Jones looks merged with Eugene Jones. Eugene split the season but OOTP has him with Homestead and Baltimore and not Homestead and Atlanta. While Eugene was a pitcher, I could see the historic record confusing the Joneses years ago. Eugene had the nickname "Lefty" so he is in the database twice. Once under Eugene (and confused with Jim in position and other things) and under Lefty Jones. I'd keep Lefty and change Eugene to Jim giving him RF stats and edit him to be a hitter reverse engineering his ability from career stats or something.

I looked at Biot and there is only one game in 1943 - probably just a case of historical inaccuracy at the time. You can delete him in your game. That Willie Burns on Philly is supposed to be on the BEGs as the other years make clear it is the same person. It's just the wrong team in the MiLB database. You'd need to be commissioner and move him to BEG.

I don't see Art in the database at all. I'm looking in the OOTP21 csv database as I already had that cracked open via the Doom utility and at the ready but I don't imagine 23 is any different given the obscurity of the players.

The NeL stats/bios are behind all the great work of the last several years and will hopefully get an update to reflect the latest Seamheads data. Until then, there's always Commissioner Mode...

[robbd7]

On the latest beta patch, not sure if it replicates outside of that, but every Hall of Fame candidate is listed as having retired in 2022.

[Trav876]

Still expansion draft issues in the newest patch (as of May 21st) ...Version 23.3 Build 61

Still same problem of only a handful of guys in the draft pool-

[LansdowneSt]

Originally Posted by Trav876

Still expansion draft issues in the newest patch (as of May 21st) ...Version 23.3 Build 61

Still same problem of only a handful of guys in the draft pool-

If there are not enough players, it may not be a database issue but the game set-up itself. Based on the lack of needing all the protected spots and the lack of players in the draft pool, there either are too many ineligible players or simply not enough players in the world. Did you sim/play up to the draft for a period of years or start in 1992? If started in 1992 and MLB players are importing to their historic teams in their debut year, what's the situation with the minor leagues? If there are shallow or no real or fictional minors (with an eligible population to be unprotected), the game was set-up with too few players. How deep is the MiLB presently in terms of levels and player count? Real or fictional? Are Nigel Wilson or Trevor Hoffman out there somewhere in the game to be had? If they are both going to automatically appear on the Miami roster in 1993 as rookies importing to their historic debut team, that's likely where some of the eligible population disappeared to...

[Trav876]

Originally Posted by LansdowneSt

If there are not enough players, it may not be a database issue but the game set-up itself. Based on the lack of needing all the protected spots and the lack of players in the draft pool, there either are too many ineligible players or simply not enough players in the world. Did you sim/play up to the draft for a period of years or start in 1992? If started in 1992 and MLB players are importing to their historic teams in their debut year, what's the situation with the minor leagues? If there are shallow or no real or fictional minors (with an eligible population to be unprotected), the game was set-up with too few players. How deep is the MiLB presently in terms of levels and player count? Real or fictional? Are Nigel Wilson or Trevor Hoffman out there somewhere in the game to be had? If they are both going to automatically appear on the Miami roster in 1993 as rookies importing to their historic debut team, that's likely where some of the eligible population disappeared to...

Thanks for the thoughts but all of that has been accounted for. I have done this a bunch in OOTP 21 & 22 with no problems... yes had full minors, had left everything else on default (the default protected players, expansion lists, etc.). It looks like an OOTP 23 issue.

I had posted this issue in this same thread a month or so ago and got a response from a developer saying they had fixed some "expansion draft issues" in the newest patch. But this part appears not to be fixed. Feel free to give it a shot yourself (I entered in '92 and simmed the year for the 93 draft/season, like I've done before in OOTP 21/22).

For some reason, not all the teams fill their protection lists as well (which is another issue itself, as teams would rarely if ever do that... but should also allow more eligible players- if it weren't for the glitch), and there are still problems not allowing all of them to go into the draft pool.

[LansdowneSt]

Originally Posted by Trav876

Thanks for the thoughts but all of that has been accounted for. I have done this a bunch in OOTP 21 & 22 with no problems... yes had full minors, had left everything else on default (the default protected players, expansion lists, etc.). It looks like an OOTP 23 issue.

I had posted this issue in this same thread a month or so ago and got a response from a developer saying they had fixed some "expansion draft issues" in the newest patch. But this part appears not to be fixed. Feel free to give it a shot yourself (I entered in '92 and simmed the year for the 93 draft/season, like I've done before in OOTP 21/22).

For some reason, not all the teams fill their protection lists as well (which is another issue itself, as teams would rarely if ever do that... but should also allow more eligible players- if it weren't for the glitch), and there are still problems not allowing all of them to go into the draft pool.

I have OOTP 21 and Steam 23 on the computer I'm at, so I ran it in 21 and sure enough, even with Florida and the Rockies getting their inaugural class, OOTP 21 had 1,090 players available in the draft, but OOTP 23 had 2. But then I noticed that as I went to look at the submitted protection rosters, the OOTP 21 default was "Auto-protect Players with less than 3 Pro Service Years" and for OOTP 23, the default was at 4 years so a whole swath of additional players got protected in OOTP 23. So, thinking that was it, I redid the OOTP 23 expansion draft with the change to 3 years.... 19 players appeared...

I looked at Nigel Wilson to see what else could be wrong and in OOTP 21 he shows as having 4 years of Service Time and in OOTP 23 he shows 0. So, that's the database error, I'd reckon OOTP isn't pulling the correct Service Time Years number and absent the field being populated correctly in the "Total Pro Service Years" line (seen in the player editor), it defaults to zero. I spot checked of several players from OOTP 21's expansion draft class and their mirror selves in OOTP 23 to confirm this. OOTP23 players are missing this field and it is defaulting to 0, hence they are auto-protected.

[Trav876]

Originally Posted by LansdowneSt

I have OOTP 21 and Steam 23 on the computer I'm at, so I ran it in 21 and sure enough, even with Florida and the Rockies getting their inaugural class, OOTP 21 had 1,090 players available in the draft, but OOTP 23 had 2. But then I noticed that as I went to look at the submitted protection rosters, the OOTP 21 default was "Auto-protect Players with less than 3 Pro Service Years" and for OOTP 23, the default was at 4 years so a whole swath of additional players got protected in OOTP 23. So, thinking that was it, I redid the OOTP 23 expansion draft with the change to 3 years.... 19 players appeared...

I looked at Nigel Wilson to see what else could be wrong and in OOTP 21 he shows as having 4 years of Service Time and in OOTP 23 he shows 0. So, that's the database error, I'd reckon OOTP isn't pulling the correct Service Time Years number and absent the field being populated correctly in the "Total Pro Service Years" line (seen in the player editor), it defaults to zero. I spot checked of several players from OOTP 21's expansion draft class and their mirror selves in OOTP 23 to confirm this. OOTP23 players are missing this field and it is defaulting to 0, hence they are auto-protected.

Great find! Now if only the developers can see this and fix that change.

Because it doesn't appear to be something easy to do manually

P.S. I also wonder why not all the teams were filling their protection lists..that doesn't seem like something I was seeing in prior versions of the game.

[LansdowneSt]

Originally Posted by Trav876

.P.S. I also wonder why not all the teams were filling their protection lists..that doesn't seem like something I was seeing in prior versions of the game.

Auto-protect covered so many of the players that the AI didn't need all 15 spots to cover the handful of players that qualified for the draft. Here are the Orioles from OOTP 21 and in 23 (with the 3-years Pro Service). They protected everyone they could in 23 - there were only 12 players at risk though. Among all the teams, the 19 exposed players that were left were all useless players.

So, it isn't an AI logic issue but the same issue of not enough players at-risk to require the AI to use all of its15 slots.

[lukess1]

When I go to create a new historical save, it makes the date what it would be during Start Today.

[BlitzburghBucco]

Originally Posted by lukess1

When I go to create a new historical save, it makes the date what it would be during Start Today.

Also having this issue. All historical leagues are created and showing up as current day's day in-game, and current standings.

[HoustonGM]

Not sure exactly which of the issues thread this belongs in, but I noticed that in a live start MLB game, when the HOF voting came up, CC Sabathia is missing the badges for his all star games. The selections are in his history, but the only badge showing for him is his Cy Young.

[abell1198]

I noticed the position was wrong after importing Andrew "Rube" Foster from the Negro Leagues from his playing years (1902-1917). When I opened the csv files in excel, there were multiple mistakes, I believe, due to the Rube Foster from 1913. Between the Master and MiLB Master files, his position and pitches aren't listed, height and weight are wrong, the incorrect race is recorded, and the ID is the same as the 1913 player.

While I was able to make some changes in csv files, it doesn't completely fix the issues. Could this be fixed? Thanks!

[LansdowneSt]

i'm sure work will continue on improving the NeL players between now and OOTP24/25 including updating bio stats, adding more complete Seamheads.com data to the player for better imports, pitch types and deliveries, etc. There is a lot of room to add depth to the game here. But I don't see that Andrew (Rube) Foster and the Red Sox Rube Foster have the same ID. See the IDs for each in the screenshots.

[LansdowneSt]

Adding the NeL import file as some of the codes for the NeL'ers don't align with bRef... If trying to import a player use these codes and have the checkbox for the MiLB database checked.

[HoustonGM]

I bumped this thread in the 22 forums before realizing it was there...

https://forums.ootpdevelopments.com/...+davis+catcher

I started a game in 1996 using 3 year fielding stats and base role/position on real life, and have noticed at least 2 glaring errors - Tim Raines at 3B and Chili Davis at C. They each had a handful of games in the minors early on in their career there, but never at the MLB level. Seems like a pretty big error to have those influence their 1996 positional ratings....

[waynum]

Not sure if anyone else has posted about this.
Whenever I'm doing a Perfect Draft none of the players have any details in their stats history. It makes it difficult to know which player to draft because there's nothing to show what history the player has.
Also, when hovering the icon over the player name there's no box appears showing a brief recap of what positions they play and a summary of their contact, power, eye.
Updates don't seem to fix this and I'm not sure what I need to do.