Unrealistic Events - Page 5

tomkmb · 03-01-2022, 12:13 PM

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Originally Posted by AdequateRandomGaming

So, ran into yet another trade logic issue yesterday. This one has been more prevalent this year than in previous years, it's not something I had noticed being as bad in previous iterations of the game.

So, current day save. First year in the save. Trade deadline in 2022. Sabres trade Aaron Dell to the Flames for a 2nd rounder (what an overpay, but it's whatever). No other pieces in the trade. Calgary turns around, and immediately put Dell on Waivers (why trade for him then ? it's not a salary dump). But it gets better...the next day, Dell gets claimed...by the Sabres. The Sabres got a completely free 2nd rounder AND got to keep the player after all.

It's not the first time I've seen something similar (always seem to happen when goaltenders are involved). In an historical save, the Oilers (who had Fuhr and Ranford in net, both were 4 star players) traded 2 roster players to Pittsburgh for Don Beaupre (2 stars goaltender at the time) and a half star goaltender (I forget who). Edmonton then waives both goaltenders they had just acquired. There was no salary cap in that era, and the 2 players they traded were not on high salaries so a salary dump was not the cause.

I just think there's a weird way the AI evaluates goaltending in general, and it affects trading.

Ah man, that flames/Sabres situation is disheartening. When I play the game I always do my best not to ‘scam’ the AI because it just kills the immersion for me but when the AI begins scamming itself it’s just frustrating.

Do those saves get submitted for examination or is it an already known issue?

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jumpSeat · 03-01-2022, 07:46 PM

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I wonder if that tie in with the dynamic rivalry system that's currently in the game, though I think that's mostly based off of playoff games than it is geography or anything else.

While I don't know for sure, I suspect you're right that the current rivalry system is limited in scope. It certainly looks and 'feels' that way. That said, if there was a list of close geographical or even just divisional/conference teams maintained by the AI, (say something like the hidden list of teams a player with a NMC would be willing to waive for), then I think star player movement could be modeled far more realistically (e.g. more akin to real life).

jumpSeat · 03-01-2022, 07:54 PM

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Originally Posted by AdequateRandomGaming

Sabres trade Aaron Dell to the Flames for a 2nd rounder (what an overpay, but it's whatever). No other pieces in the trade. Calgary turns around, and immediately put Dell on Waivers (why trade for him then ? it's not a salary dump). But it gets better...the next day, Dell gets claimed...by the Sabres. The Sabres got a completely free 2nd rounder AND got to keep the player after all.

Can you imagine if something like that happened in real life? The fan base would likely storm the arena with torches and pitchforks demanding the GM's head!

AdequateRandomGaming · 03-03-2022, 08:03 AM

Another weird goalie situation I forgot to mention (I've had issues with the way the game handles goalies for years, but this year it seems a lot worse).

I did the LA Kings historical challenge. In 1992-1993 I finally made it to the finals against the Flyers. Flyers have 2 goaltenders to start the finals - Ron Hextall (3.5 Stars) and Darren Puppa (2.5 Stars). Puppa gets the start. He must have more "hotness" so it is what it is...I'm not too worried about it, the difference in talent is not that huge.

However, Puppa got hurt in the first game. So Flyers recalled John Blue, a 0.5 star goaltender. Guess who started the remainder of the Stanley Cup final ? Yeah, NOT Hextall. Despite Blue getting shelled.

I won the challenge but I don't really feel like I deserved it.

tomkmb · 03-03-2022, 03:24 PM

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Originally Posted by AdequateRandomGaming

Another weird goalie situation I forgot to mention (I've had issues with the way the game handles goalies for years, but this year it seems a lot worse).

I did the LA Kings historical challenge. In 1992-1993 I finally made it to the finals against the Flyers. Flyers have 2 goaltenders to start the finals - Ron Hextall (3.5 Stars) and Darren Puppa (2.5 Stars). Puppa gets the start. He must have more "hotness" so it is what it is...I'm not too worried about it, the difference in talent is not that huge.

However, Puppa got hurt in the first game. So Flyers recalled John Blue, a 0.5 star goaltender. Guess who started the remainder of the Stanley Cup final ? Yeah, NOT Hextall. Despite Blue getting shelled.

I won the challenge but I don't really feel like I deserved it.

Can they use that save to trace what's doing that in the selection logic? Surely that's obviously undesired AI behaviour and they'd want to get to the bottom of it eventually

tomkmb · 03-06-2022, 02:42 PM

Penguins are $2m over the cap so put their entire defence on waivers, leaving themselves with a top 2 and then nothing!

AdequateRandomGaming · 03-07-2022, 01:52 PM

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Penguins are $2m over the cap so put their entire defence on waivers, leaving themselves with a top 2 and then nothing!

I've seen things like that a lot during my current day save as well. It is my first time playing current day in 6 years or so. The Kraken would put 5-6 players on waivers every 3-4 days for a while. I don't think it was due to cap issues in this case, but I can't see a team putting that many players on waivers, that often in the season. Blackwell in particular got waived probably more than 8 times during the season.

tomkmb · 03-07-2022, 02:58 PM

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Originally Posted by AdequateRandomGaming

I've seen things like that a lot during my current day save as well. It is my first time playing current day in 6 years or so. The Kraken would put 5-6 players on waivers every 3-4 days for a while. I don't think it was due to cap issues in this case, but I can't see a team putting that many players on waivers, that often in the season. Blackwell in particular got waived probably more than 8 times during the season.

Yeah, I must have done at least 20 different saves of various types and it's the same candidates that get waived. Kuokkanen, Barre-Boulet, Donato all useful players that I now have to forbid myself from picking up.

I will check out your Sens playthrough now!

I was going to share something on this thread earlier that actually made me laugh....I shopped Gavrikov and took a 5th round pick for him from the Kings....the next day the Kings traded him to the Flames for a 4th rounder! I was amazed, the AI actually scammed ME! ha ha

jumpSeat · 03-07-2022, 07:55 PM

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I was going to share something on this thread earlier that actually made me laugh....I shopped Gavrikov and took a 5th round pick for him from the Kings....the next day the Kings traded him to the Flames for a 4th rounder! I was amazed, the AI actually scammed ME! ha ha

I guess it's true what they say: There really is a first time for everything!

Tie Montana · 03-12-2022, 07:20 AM

This keep happening in every save. Im able to pick really good prospects in late rounds basically for free. This makes winning pretty easy since AI doesnt seem to be really good at evaluating potential. Most important aspect if you want to win in NHL is drafting (look at tampa). Maybe if AI would scout these players better it would make instalty harder to beat it.

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The most egregious example is that #2 overall in mock goes #30 overall in draft (Aron Kiviharju). This is first time tho i see this happens to top 5 player in mock. Bigger issue is good 2nd/3rd round prospects drafted in late rounds.

Bluenoser · 03-12-2022, 01:41 PM

Standard Historical League, nothing customized.

How does Ross win Coach of the Year with 3 wins.....

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oldfatbaldguy · 03-12-2022, 02:10 PM

I bet Hap Holmes took a lot of flack for wearing a mask in 1918.

Bluenoser · 03-12-2022, 02:23 PM

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I bet Hap Holmes took a lot of flack for wearing a mask in 1918.

Well, George Vezina came in 2nd for the Vezina Trophy

, then won it the following year.

snarls200 · 03-12-2022, 02:40 PM

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Standard Historical League, nothing customized.

How does Ross win Coach of the Year with 3 wins.....

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Funny since IRL the team didn't even finish 1 NHL season

jumpSeat · 03-12-2022, 07:13 PM

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How does Ross win Coach of the Year with 3 wins.....

You know what they say: It's all about how you play the game... I guess winning and losing wasn't such a big deal back then.

Javs · 03-19-2022, 12:11 PM

The black eye injury will list a player as unavailable, but shouldn't he be able to play through that?

03-06-2022, 02:42 PM	#86
tomkmb All Star Starter Join Date: Jan 2021 Posts: 1,632	Penguins are $2m over the cap so put their entire defence on waivers, leaving themselves with a top 2 and then nothing! Attached Images

03-12-2022, 07:20 AM	#90
Tie Montana Minors (Single A) Join Date: Jul 2021 Posts: 91	AI drafting/scouting problem? This keep happening in every save. Im able to pick really good prospects in late rounds basically for free. This makes winning pretty easy since AI doesnt seem to be really good at evaluating potential. Most important aspect if you want to win in NHL is drafting (look at tampa). Maybe if AI would scout these players better it would make instalty harder to beat it. The most egregious example is that #2 overall in mock goes #30 overall in draft (Aron Kiviharju). This is first time tho i see this happens to top 5 player in mock. Bigger issue is good 2nd/3rd round prospects drafted in late rounds. Attached Images

03-12-2022, 01:41 PM	#91
Bluenoser Hall Of Famer Join Date: Mar 2002 Location: In The Moment Posts: 14,207	Standard Historical League, nothing customized. How does Ross win Coach of the Year with 3 wins..... _ Attached Images

03-03-2022, 08:03 AM	#84
AdequateRandomGaming Minors (Triple A) Join Date: Nov 2019 Posts: 208	Another weird goalie situation I forgot to mention (I've had issues with the way the game handles goalies for years, but this year it seems a lot worse). I did the LA Kings historical challenge. In 1992-1993 I finally made it to the finals against the Flyers. Flyers have 2 goaltenders to start the finals - Ron Hextall (3.5 Stars) and Darren Puppa (2.5 Stars). Puppa gets the start. He must have more "hotness" so it is what it is...I'm not too worried about it, the difference in talent is not that huge. However, Puppa got hurt in the first game. So Flyers recalled John Blue, a 0.5 star goaltender. Guess who started the remainder of the Stanley Cup final ? Yeah, NOT Hextall. Despite Blue getting shelled. I won the challenge but I don't really feel like I deserved it.

03-12-2022, 02:10 PM	#92
oldfatbaldguy Major Leagues Join Date: Dec 2020 Posts: 393	I bet Hap Holmes took a lot of flack for wearing a mask in 1918.

03-19-2022, 12:11 PM	#96
Javs Hall Of Famer Join Date: Apr 2010 Posts: 2,859	The black eye injury will list a player as unavailable, but shouldn't he be able to play through that?