All the little things that have caused me to lose interest

[kq76]

Originally Posted by Leo_The_Lip

I've been playing OOTP since its Season Ticket days, and every version of PT so far. But so many, many irksome irritating things have caused me to just about give up.

First, there is no point to the actual baseball games going on. Why? Lots of reasons:

1. I can add a 100 player and my team, relative to the league it is in, does not get better. By the end of the season, I've dropped significantly in relative quality.

2. The randomness of results is wearing. It is also the reason I get bored with every sports sims out there.

3. The whole Perfect Card concept annoys me. The vast differences in the 100 ratings makes me simply not care. If you want ratings to matter, give us ratings the DO matter.

4. I complete a Build-a-Bear and get two packs. I get lots of MLB LIVE cards that cashing in is the sole option, plus a Tony Horton silver which excites me until I look and see he isn't in any missions. Grrr.

5. Each of my three teams has hundreds of non-Live cards that aren't in any missions. When the last series of missions got announced, NONE of them got promoted to mission worthy. Only existing cards in the new missions which made the cost go up. Again Grrr.

None of these by themselves is cause to quit, however when they all exist (as they do) my irritability with the game is far too high.

I doubt whether any of these issues can/will be addressed, so I doubt I'll ever enjoy PT again.

Lastly, I'll be adding to this thread over time as it is depressing to think about this stuff for too long.

3) I think they should redistribute the ratings. There are so few silvers and so many 100s. I get that a lot of the 100 cards are considered >100, but bring it down. There probably shouldn't be any live 100s.

4) I'd like to see 3 tiers of the live cards. Maybe a 16, a 26, and a 36. I'd like to say a real "complete" team set, but I get it, players come and go and some teams will have more cards in the game than others. I looked at a smattering of teams, most seem to have 40-50 cards so 36 should be good.

4a) It's a nice idea that they have in the settings that you can sell dupes, but I'd only use it if I could select to only sell live cards. There are just too many low level non-live cards that at some point or another are worth considerably more than their minimum. Too many live cards, OTOH, are almost worthless.

5) I wish there were more missions for non-live cards too. Maybe impose a rule: don't add a non-live card to the set unless you have a mission for it or will immediately make one. I love seeing all these old players, but give them a purpose / more value!

6) Rejig tournaments somehow. For example, get rid of the 150 PP tournies, they're just not worth it and most don't bother playing them anymore.

[Southern_Aristocrat]

#1 goal of perfect team is to suck money from you. That's all there is to understand.

#2 goal is to make competitive fellas such as ourselves adhere to goal #1.

#3 Eventually the good will, ends. Not sure how this franchise is long term when I join rookie league in release week and a dude had all the best cards already. Millionaires won't spend money on this game to wreck peasants if the peasants stop playing.

#4 the base single player game and online leagues are amazing. Perfect team is a money suck. They have obtained dollars from me in my alcoholic moments that I severely regret.

#5 Don't drink and play perfect team

[professor ape]

Originally Posted by Southern_Aristocrat

#1 goal of perfect team is to suck money from you. That's all there is to understand.

#2 goal is to make competitive fellas such as ourselves adhere to goal #1.

#3 Eventually the good will, ends. Not sure how this franchise is long term when I join rookie league in release week and a dude had all the best cards already. Millionaires won't spend money on this game to wreck peasants if the peasants stop playing.

#4 the base single player game and online leagues are amazing. Perfect team is a money suck. They have obtained dollars from me in my alcoholic moments that I severely regret.

#5 Don't drink and play perfect team

There are two paths to success in PT; money and time. There are many of us Free to Play (F2P) players who do some combination of keeping our tournament teams active to supply us with packs, working the Auction House, and/or playing Perfect Draft (the last being the weakest option). There are a significant number of us who don’t drop any money and have competitive teams at the top levels. I actually think they have done a good job of making the game viable as a F2P. It’s challenging, but it shouldn’t be easy.

[ZachSiggins]

There's no doubt that Perfect Team exists to make money for Out of the Park Developments and it is frustrating when a game you already paid for to play gives a competitive advantage to those who will keep paying. That being said, I've enjoyed the game quite a bit as a F2P new OOTP player and with a lot of patience and learning I think I've managed to get my team to being competitive at the Gold Level.

Some of the comments about the many "useless" cards got me thinking about whether or not it would both bring some competitive balance between F2P and Whales and make the game more interesting if you could enter a tournament team at each level rather than simply capping it at three across the board. Right now I pretty much run three Quick Iron Bo516 team tournaments because I like my odds best there. I'd care a lot more about the historical Diamonds, Golds, and Silvers I'm trying to save up for the Build-a-Legend missions if I were also trying to construct a Diamond, Gold, and Silver tournament team.

[professor ape]

Originally Posted by ZachSiggins

There's no doubt that Perfect Team exists to make money for Out of the Park Developments and it is frustrating when a game you already paid for to play gives a competitive advantage to those who will keep paying.

Now that Go is available, I believe that people will be able to access PT for free.

[ZachSiggins]

Originally Posted by professor ape

Now that Go is available, I believe that people will be able to access PT for free.

Good point. I stand corrected!

[Thornbreaker]

So I skipped PT21, having enjoyed PT20 building a really good small ball team that by the end of a year I had used several missions to help build a quality team that routinely was finishing in the playoffs, and won me 3 or 4 championships. I've been FTP aside from 1 10k pp purchase early on to grab an OF I really wanted.

I've been shocked at how difficult the missions are to complete in PT22. The initial live series and team mission #1 felt about right, but I'm routinely depressed by needing 200 points worth of 40k diamond cards now that I'll never actually play and then receive a reward that'll be outdated in a couple of weeks at best. It's been just easier to buy an 80k Oscar Charleston, or spend on packs and just hope for some luck.

I find myself stuck in silver/gold despite a solid small ball team. I'm also a bit disappointed there's still not a direct way to search for DEF on the AH.

In essence I can entirely get the less satisfactory feel of the game because the accomplishments are less rewarding and useful. And its hard for me to find the time to sign up for tourneys everyday even with an app.

[Clavette]

I dont have a problem with this being pay 2 win. We all know this going in and it's up to you how you want to compete.

I do have a problem with the enormous amount of PP that was given to certain pt21 players that tipped the p2w scale even more. Now people started with thousands of $$ worth of PP that is basically insurmountable

[professor ape]

Originally Posted by Clavette

I do have a problem with the enormous amount of PP that was given to certain pt21 players that tipped the p2w scale even more. Now people started with thousands of $$ worth of PP that is basically insurmountable

As a returning player I got a few bonus Gold and Diamond packs when I activated my PT22 team but that was it. What are these players who were given thousands of dollars worth of points? I have never heard of that.

[Orcin]

Originally Posted by Clavette

I do have a problem with the enormous amount of PP that was given to certain pt21 players that tipped the p2w scale even more. Now people started with thousands of $$ worth of PP that is basically insurmountable

Huh? What are you talking about...

[bailey]

Originally Posted by Clavette

I dont have a problem with this being pay 2 win. We all know this going in and it's up to you how you want to compete.

I do have a problem with the enormous amount of PP that was given to certain pt21 players that tipped the p2w scale even more. Now people started with thousands of $$ worth of PP that is basically insurmountable

If a business wants to give bonuses to its paying customers who am I to complain? High rollers in Vegas, get comped, get better playing conditions (private tables) and even better odds than the average chump. Either you like the game or you don't, but don't make excuses for "Oh,! those guys got thousands $$ of free points. therefore I can't compete." They only got those points because they already spent thousands, and were paid off because of the appearance of employee impropriety. OOTP gives so much away to free players who put the time in. I mean like millions of points, to say whoever got what is insurmountable is not true.

[chazzycat]

Originally Posted by Orcin

Huh? What are you talking about...

Pidge-gate. On his way out the door after being banned, he claimed on stream that he received an 11 million pp "settlement" from OOTP from the drama that went down last year. He had every reason to bad-mouth the company after being banned, so I would take it with a grain of salt, but that was the claim.

[Orcin]

Originally Posted by chazzycat

Pidge-gate. On his way out the door after being banned, he claimed on stream that he received an 11 million pp "settlement" from OOTP from the drama that went down last year. He had every reason to bad-mouth the company after being banned, so I would take it with a grain of salt, but that was the claim.

No wonder he was able to buy every card in sight from day one.

[professor ape]

For me, that would just take the fun out of the game. Where’s the challenge?

[Magus978]

Originally Posted by professor ape

For me, that would just take the fun out of the game. Where’s the challenge?

For some, the fun is in running everyone over every week and never being pushed. I mean, I'd kill to have millions of points to buy who I want and just mess around with my teams. The only place I can do that, sadly, is in regular OOTP

[professor ape]

Originally Posted by Magus978

For some, the fun is in running everyone over every week and never being pushed. I mean, I'd kill to have millions of points to buy who I want and just mess around with my teams. The only place I can do that, sadly, is in regular OOTP

Hey, if the whales want to put tons of money into the game then that means more resources to improve the game. I am not into people who operate multiple licenses and have many more than three teams in some cases. I know that for some, the fun is to see how much they can stretch (a.k.a. abuse) the system and get away with it. I have no sympathy for those cases.
I’m F2P and haven’t had time to play the main game for the last couple of years because PT has had my attention. Even though Go is available, I’ll plan to buy the main game so that I am contributing to the crew. They have made a great game and deserve the price of admission. I’m sure that I’ll also do my one time $10 drop on day one to have initial points to quickly build my Bronze team.

[Magus978]

Nah, not gonna leave that post up. Had some choice words Re: people with more than 3 teams, considering I'm one of them, but discretion is the better part of valor here. Not interested in starting a fight I refuse to finish.

Disregard.

[professor ape]

I had no idea of the level of drama that has taken place. I should amend my comment about having more than three teams. I don’t care how many teams people have if they are playing fair. I made an over-generalization because having a large number of teams is often used for funneling of players and/or PPs.

[Magus978]

Originally Posted by professor ape

I had no idea of the level of drama that has taken place. I should amend my comment about having more than three teams. I don’t care how many teams people have if they are playing fair. I made an over-generalization because having a large number of teams is often used for funneling of players and/or PPs.

That's fine brother. My original post was very combative and defensive of my policies, and after a few hours to think about it and not seeing a reply, I believe the best course of action was to retract it...and I 100% agree, for the most part the people with many teams may have bad intentions, but then there are definitely more than the fair share of people who are playing by the rules and are using those teams for data, which is completely fine.

[professor ape]

Originally Posted by Magus978

That's fine brother. My original post was very combative and defensive of my policies, and after a few hours to think about it and not seeing a reply, I believe the best course of action was to retract it...and I 100% agree, for the most part the people with many teams may have bad intentions, but then there are definitely more than the fair share of people who are playing by the rules and are using those teams for data, which is completely fine.

I can barely keep up with tracking my one main team and Bronze tourney team. I need to win the lottery so that I can go full time on PT.